Good morning Robert!

Robert Goodman wrote in part to Dave Laird...

> Bill's saying that Frank has so disengaged his thinking from the facts that
> now all he's getting is his own echo, which he takes to be confirmation of
> facts.

Nice try, but no cigar.

Please check out what I wrote just earlier. Bill's arguments make
no distinction between an individual, and an entity, the State.
He lumps representation of the individual together in a
synergistic fashion, with that of the State itself.

This doesn't make any sense when you come upon something like a
revolution, in which case, individuals choose to fight and kill
representatives of the State, in Bill's parlance anyway that
implies that individuals kill those who represent them -- a
contradiction in fact. They are therefore fighting and killing
representatives of a state, or state entity, not their own
personal representatives -- that is, not representatives they
have chosen to represent them.

Taking Bill's arguments to the extreme, Adolph Hitler represented
each German individually, even presumably those who risked their
lives and tried to defend the helpless Jews and other
'undesirables', by hiding them in some instances even in their
own homes, or those who sought to assassinate or kill Nazi
leaders.

Kindest regards,
Frank

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