At 08:21  18/2/01 -0500, Ted Husted wrote:
>"Geir Magnusson Jr." wrote:
>> A 'ToolForge' might be a nice 'project' under the mini-Jakarta - with
>> the understanding that anything that gets real traction be made a
>> project in it's own right?
>
>Why not go the whole nine yards and develop a secure, back-end
>administration tool for managing the nuts-and-bolts of Jakarta (like
>SourceForge), that can also generate a friendly public interface for
>product distribution (like CPAN). 

That is a really kewl idea! It could vastly simplify management for people
like Brian who must get bomarded with requests every now and again.

A few issues I can see that would need to be addressed.
1. I want to have a better quality management and in a way I still want the
PMC to oversee the progress of projects/miniprojects/whatever through the
stages. 
2. It would require a LOT of work which I can't commit to at this time. To
get this going would require a very strong community or a very focused
individual ;)
3. It could put a drain on our computer resources. It looks like that each
sourceforge page could have as many as 10 reads from a DB which may put
undue strain on our host machines
4. It could get more complex for developer

For 1 I think it would be solvable if output from gump, output from
sourcewars (CVS statistics) and adequete documentation of project and
communication with PMC could do it.

If 3 became an issue I would be happy to put in a bit to get another
machine and possibly we could could garner some cash from the ApacheCon
events or whatever.

4 would only be possible if we made the web interface optional and still
made it possible to vote/discuss/get web reports from mailing lists etc.

....

However think of the benefits. We could have a central interface that gave
us access to scarab/bugzilla/mailing list archives/feature requests/todo
etc. With adequete standardisation we could have one click to get nightly
builds/distributions/whatever.

It would also be great for certain management functions like voting so that
votes are recorded and peoples reasons for votes ar erecorded so they could
be easily revued in future. Of course all this would be mirrored onto
mailing list so you don't *need* the web interface. 

It would be nice - it would be broadly applicable across many of the apache
projects and possibly could incorporate things from tigris.org etc. 

Very grand idea - though a lot of work ;)




Cheers,

Pete

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