At 05:50 1/3/01 -0800, David Weinrich wrote:
>There are many more differences, the key one is the idea that this is
>already a 'shared' environment that people from many different jakarta
>projects have helped define.
As Avalon is supposed to be.
>When and where did Avalon change it's charter? Was it voted on? So far the
>only source I have telling me that 'Avalon is a set of standalone
>components' is yourself, with *all* of the information on the website
>pointing to 'Avalon is a framework for building servers in java'. Please
>give me some information to help me understand what avalon is, a vote, a
>document that clearly states this mysterious new charter, anything.
well if you look at original proposals they used the word "framework" to be
set of components. It was later that it evolved to a "framework" in
classical sense. As I am the main contributor to Avalon at the moment when
I say we are moving back to our original charter I would think you could
believe that.
>I really have strong reservations with throwing more viewpoints and
>people on a project that has 'rechartered' itself in a way that the old
>product it is known for becomes something else and the new product/goal
>retains the same name. Avalon looks like a really cool project ( at least
>the Avalon I understand it to be ), why make things more confusing for the
>people who are trying to build solutions on it?
I don't know what the history is behind Avalon - and to be honest I don't
really care. I came to it about 6 months ago and since then all my efforts
have been to move it to its original mission. Luckily someone else just
picked up on the vibe and is doing the same (Yay Fede!).
Perhaps you should read the call to vote again and look at point 1 + 6.
Also ask yourself why the document separates the terms "shared code and the
framework design". Now go look at my proposal of a few days of flattening
CVS karma across all projects. Go back a bit further and look on ant-dev at
my reactions to CJAN. I have also been very vocal on standards and GUMP -
this scattered across all lists (probably most common on ant-dev).
So again your point becomes - Avalon is NIH hence we should start again -
or have I missed something. (Oh and please stop throwing up the straw man
arguements - that is so lame).
Cheers,
Pete
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