https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=168735
--- Comment #7 from Telesto <[email protected]> --- (In reply to Eyal Rozenberg from comment #0) > Created attachment 203184 [details] > Solicitation bar in LO Calc 25.8 first startup > > When you install a new version of LO and open the app, on the first run > you'll get a bar at the top, which looks like in the attached screenshot. > > For an ascii graphic, it's: > > (i) Help us make LibreOffice even better [Get > Involved] > > This is bad/inadequate in my opinion, for several reasons. I will not go > into potential drastic changes, like a pop-up dialog, or an extra document, > or window pane etc. - just a solicitation bar: > > 1. Doesn't explicitly suggest donating to LibreOffice. > ------------------------------------------------------ > > The suggestion to either "help us" or "get involved" is not a request for > donations. Some people feel they can "help out", but others, and perhaps > most people, don't feel able to help as contributors, but may be willing to > donate money - which we don't ask them to. One might quip that "donation is > a form of helping or involvement", but only some minority of people would > think that. At least some place needs to have an explicit solicitation for > money. It could be the label, it could be the button, it could be a second > button. Agreed, it's way too abstract as a request for a (financial) donation. > > 2. Bar design discourages action. > --------------------------------- > > The (i) and the muted blue coloring suggests the bar content is merely > _informational_, and does not actually requires or even encourages you to do > anything. Yes, the text may suggest otherwise, but the visual cue has its > effect. > Feels prominent enough for me. But yes, it's presented as an information tooltip > 3. The text paradoxically discourages action. > --------------------------------------------- > > The text says "Help us make LibreOffice even better!" - implying that that > it has already been made better. Whether we believe that is the case or not, > that dampens the initial instinct to act or help. Regardless of other > changes to the text or design, that should have been "Help us make > LibreOffice better!" > Removing 'even' is surely an improvement. I personally prefer to avoid 'better'. I somewhat associating it with getting better from being sick. More neutral would be, IMHO: Help improve LibreOffice. Donate | Get Involved > 4. Button is far from the text > ------------------------------ > > (You see this even in the screenshot, but it's more prominent on the > typically wide screens of today.) You cannot, nor are encouraged to, click > the (i) sign; and you cannot, nor are you encouraged to, click the "Please > help us text". Your eyes are focused on them, and there's nothing to do. > Now, it's true that at the right edge there's a button. But it's far away, > so it is perceived as less important, appropriate to ignore. There is quite a distance, I admit. However is quite UI consistent and well it's next to the X > > 5. There should be different action buttons > -------------------------------------------- > > At the very least, there should be a distinct button for donating and > another button for volunteering/participating/helping out. Yes > > 6. The wording "Get Involved" is borderline deterring. > ------------------------------------------------------ > > Consider for the dictionary definition of "involved" at dictionary.com [1]; > it is: > > > 1. very intricate or complex. *an involved reply.* > > 2. implicated. *involved in crime.* > > 3. concerned in some affair, especially in a way likely to cause danger or > > unpleasantness. *I didn't call the police because I didn't want to get > > involved.* > > 4. committed or engaged, as in a political cause or artistic movement. *The > > civil rights demonstration attracted the involved young people of the area.* > > the first one is neutral-or-negative, the next two are markedly negative, > and only the fourth sense is positive. That is _not_ the term we want to us, > even if we accurately fit that fourth definition. > > The situation is rather similar if you look at other dictionaries, e.g. > Merriam-Webster [2]. Maybe something like: Contribute > 7. No sense of urgency or need. > -------------------------------- > > Nothing in the text indicates how user donations are essential to the > project; or that the project is massively under-funded considering the huge > workload. We don't use phrases like "need you" or "keep alive" or > "struggle", nor "critical" or "crucial" or "necessary" etc. - and "help" is > used as a verb rather than a noun. Not big fan of the Wikipedia donation style. It always feels bit desperate. > > 8. No indication why participation and/or donation is important > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > The bar does not say, nor does it (ostensibly) link to a statement regarding > why it is important for users to donate money or to participate otherwise. I > realize that may not be an easy goal to achieve in a narrow bar - but it is > what it is. > > > This least may not be exhaustive... True --- Slightly off-topic: What I personally would welcome is more of 'say' in about use of a financial contribution. Not directed to specific bug, as this never gonna work. More in sense of a questionnaire, where do you think the donation should be spend. Kind of a 'poll'. Donating might be somewhat of a 'self-interest'. Say you are primary a Writer user. You maybe with the implicit idea some (high priority) Writer bugs getting solved. 5 years later, no change. So it feels like you're donating to bottomless pit. It doesn't make any difference. So why should I? Some might prioritize bug fixes above features (and in their most used component). In general people more active/involved in the project might have totally different priority's compared to the masses who actually donate. Some context: spending money on reviving Base is personally not my highest priority with all long-standing bugs in other - more commonly used - components. I do get the desire, but if it's the right thing to do? A poll by those who (actually) donate would create some 'accountability' for the board regarding spending. Sure te board is free to spend. So can deviate from the 'wishes' of the donors, but would 'require', ideally - some explanation. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.
