https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85420

--- Comment #7 from Jay Philips <[email protected]> ---
(In reply to Adolfo Jayme from comment #6)
> (In reply to Jay Philips from comment #5)
> > > Any effort we (or a GSoC student) do, won’t
> > > *ever* reach an acceptable level of quality
> > 
> > I believe that it can reach an acceptable level of quality, similar to how
> > the firefox themes has reached a good level of quality now.
> 
> Sorry, but you’ve chosen the worst example. All those glitches and rendering
> bugs are glaring to me.

I gave it as an example, but mean that i'm saying its a perfect implementation.
Ultimately, we'll agree to disagree on having them integrated.

> > > and what will happen if the web
> > > side of it is unavailable, or changes protocols, or the user doesn’t have
> > > free Internet access?
> > 
> > What happens when a user doesnt have internet and doesnt have local help
> > installed but clicks on the help button in the toolbar? It links to the wiki
> > help by opening it up in a browser.
> 
> That’s actually a bug. Don’t be fooled into following the fallacy of
> counter-questioning with false equivalence.

I dont think that is a bug, because libreoffice shouldnt have to check for an
internet access before sending a user to a website, but if you think its a bug,
please do file it. ;)

> > Its only unusable when you dont have internet access and it being in the
> > template manager isnt in my view a prominent place.
> 
> Weren’t you talking about the start center? In 4.4, what goes into the
> Template Manager is also visible in the Start Center, anyways. That *is*
> prominent, and even more if it doesn’t work.

I guess were are misunderstanding each other as i'm saying its not in a
prominent place in libreoffice and you are saying its in a prominent place in
the template manager.

> > Yes i believe work should go into improving the template website to make it
> > nicer, but having a nice template website that users are aware of doesnt
> > help, so we should make sure users who go into the template manager in the
> > start center or dialog see a prominent indication that there are online
> > templates that they can access.
> 
> (Perhaps you meant to write “are not aware…” instead of “are aware…”?)

You are correct. :D

> Where’s the proof that the Templates website is hidden away and nobody is
> aware of it? Statistics are needed before making such claims.

I am saying that in the start center of 4.4, when you click the templates
button, the templates dialog doesnt appear, so there is no link to the
templates website.

> The OOo-inherited Start Center had a link to the Templates website. Now we
> have an even clearer “Templates” button, with big fonts and everything —
> it’s not like people won’t see it. That button leads to a window with an
> icon linking to the site. Not undiscoverable.

As stated above, users of 4.4 arent being lead to the window, so there is no
icon linking to the site.

> Well, even though I can’t help thinking this is unnecessary bells and
> whistles, I like the concept you show in attachment 108377 [details].
> There’s no need for more.

Yes when i created this screenshot, i thought that it would be used for both
linking to the website or showing the online templates in the start center.

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