Hi Joel, Well the UX team is already CCed in the bug report and i guess they will get around to it whenever they do, which i assume will take a while. Have my fingers crossed that some portions of the proposal lands in master or the release after that. Definitely think it will help differentiate LO's look from OOo/AOO. But I was mainly just sharing my work with the QA team, as it was a happy occasion for me that i was able to complete it, as this is the team i'm with and welcomed their constructive criticism of it. :D
Regards, Jay Philips On 07/30/2014 12:36 AM, Joel Madero wrote: > A big +1 to everything Jay wrote. Change in of itself will cause angst > for some users but that is the nature of our project. With the > tremendous amount of statistics backing Jay's proposal, I give a thumbs up. > > That being said - why isn't UX included in on this discussion? This > isn't really a QA issue at all ;) > > > Best, > Joel > > > On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Jay Philips <philip...@hotmail.com > <mailto:philip...@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > On 07/27/2014 12:06 PM, Tommy wrote: > > On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 00:22:18 +0200, Jay Philips > <philip...@hotmail.com <mailto:philip...@hotmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > experienced UI users would not take any benefit from a change > since they > > will keep using their custom preset > > The advantage would be that they would have less buttons to add/remove > from the toolbars than they usually do, as your toolbar screenshot > showed. :) > > > unexperienced user who never customized the toolbar could be > disoriented > > by the new setup, thinking some buttons have been "removed" > > Well change isnt a bad thing if it makes things better for users, which > is why we have new features added to libreoffice on each release. > Unexperienced users who never use buttons like data sources or > navigator, would benefit from buttons like insert image and insert > footnote. The toolbars havent been update in 9 years and with statistics > on how often users use the toolbar buttons, there are benefits to > revamping the toolbars. And with everyone taking notice of the new > toolbars, they will look at it with a new set of eyes to see what new > functionality has been brought to it. > > >> And when users dont find the necessary buttons in the toolbar, > they go > >> through the menus looking for the functionality. > > > > if they never customized it before why should they do it after you > > change the default set? > > The text you quoted doesnt correspond to your reply. The text you quoted > relates to the current toolbar and when users dont find a suitable > button in it, they go to the menu to get the functionality they need. > > Regarding your reply, users who never changed their toolbar would likely > not change the new set, but they have the ability to change it if they > choose, just like they currently have with the current set. You have > stated previously, "I think it's up to the user to decide which button > he needs and which he doesn't." and this choice isnt being taken from > the user with the new set. > > > prepare to see useless bug reports about "button" is missing (which is > > not) etc. etc. > > Of course a number of users will complain about any change that is made, > this always happens. I had a bug report that a keyboard user was no > longer able to navigate the Character dialog as he used to with a > previous version [bug 80612]: > > "... but what I used to be able to do doesn't work anymore, namely press > Tab three times to get to Effects and then press down to get to small > caps: that window doesn't get focus." > > With the ability for them to customize the toolbars, they can revert the > changes they wish to revert. Ultimately, you cant please everyone but > the changes are being made to benefit the majority of users. There must > have been people who complained when the toolbars were last changed when > OOo 2.0 was released. You even have users who prefer toolbars and menus > over the ribbon UI, which is why you have addons that bring back this > functionality. > _______________________________________________ > List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list > Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org > <mailto:Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org> > Change settings: > http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ > > > > > -- > *Joel Madero* > LibreOffice QA Volunteer > jmadero....@gmail.com <mailto:jmadero....@gmail.com> > > > > _______________________________________________ > List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list > Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org > Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ > _______________________________________________ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: Libreoffice-qa@lists.freedesktop.org Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/
