Dnia środa, 16 maja 2012 o 01:23:58 Mark Holmquist napisał(a): > On 12-05-15 03:55 PM, Michel Van Eeckhout wrote: > > I think that people can play with words and twist some of the > > meaning, but what is important here is not choices imposed by > > others, but my own choice, which is what I understand from > > Richard-qbiciii 's post. In the case of the browsers on Windows > > ARM, my choice might not even be available, artificially, > > because of proprietary choices to limit users. To really be able > > to even have a true personal choice, I think you necessarily > > need to have the freedom to run whatever you like and modify the > > system itself if that is the limiting component. If you don't > > have that, you don't have true choice. > > I think a large part of the issue many of us have with this "choice > === freedom" definition is that, using your example scenario here, > you could still wind up limiting yourself unduly. The most > important thing that indicates that is the sentence
Precisely! > > you necessarily need to have the freedom to run whatever you like > > and modify the system itself if that is the limiting component. > > The "if" at the end of that sentence is not acceptable, because if > the system is *not* a limiting component, you don't require the > ability to modify the system itself. After that requirement is > removed, a pure "more choice is better" strategy will choose the > operating system that has the greatest number of possible browser > choices--possibly Windows or Mac OS X, or maybe even another > non-free system. Yes. That's the problem. > By contrast, a "more freedom is better" strategy will notice that > there is very little freedom in these systems, and choose the OS > that allows maximal freedom, even with fewer choices. In practice, > that user might have fewer choices when they start, but as time > goes on, their choices increase to infinity, because they can > create their own browsers or modify other projects, and do the > same with every piece of software on the system. Yes. It's hard, however, to get general public to understand, or rather: "feel" this. I think we need to seriously work on creating a clear message why freedom != choice. > (sorry about the off-list duplicate, Michel, this email client > doesn't seem to have figured out mailing lists yet) Cheers. -- Pozdrawiam Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Fundacja Wolnego i Otwartego Oprogramowania
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