I suppose your right about education. it can be frustrating that this is
all we can do at times. I suppose educate and hope that the internet of
things is implemented so bad it's a horrible failure. I am sure however
that they will keep trying until they get things to catch on. But this
is quickly becoming no longer a question of if you can use your computer
in freedom. It's becoming if you can use anything in freedom. 

On 03/10/2015 10:00 pm, J.B. Nicholson-Owens wrote: 

> rysiek wrote: 
> 
>> Rather, "Internet of Broken Things":
>> http://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/26722r/the_internet_of_broken_things/
>>  [1]
>> 
>> But yes, the question of retaining software freedom in a world of computing
>> things is a valid one, and a hard one. There is no silver bullet, and the
>> market will not solve this one (not that it solved any other important
>> problems). I think our best bet is (*shudders*) regulation.
> 
> It seems to me that that reddit.com discussion all too quickly gets 
> distracted in a side issue of complexity. People have long lived with 
> complexity greater than most people understand (depending on what you look 
> at, humans have never really understood everything we work with). But this 
> complexity discussion quickly distracts attention away from treating each 
> other ethically. Perhaps that's the real value of the complexity argument if 
> you look at this from an "open source" perspective (the open source movement 
> was founded to distract attention away from software freedom in order to 
> speak to businesses[1]). We don't need to understand everything so deeply to 
> understand how to treat each other ethically. In software, software freedom 
> is a prerequisite for ethical treatment (I imagine I hardly need to explain 
> that here on libreplanet-discuss).
> 
> The problem of the NSA scandals and Snowden's revelations isn't that things 
> are more broken than we realize. It's that people are being spied on 
> constantly in ways they don't realize and spying has long been known to have 
> powerfully ugly consequences. The spying itself is a direct contradiction of 
> the brokenness argument -- spying works quite well and that's why so many 
> spies are interested in it. This spying can sometimes require nonfree 
> software (such as with DRM); when people have software freedom they can and 
> do improve software so programs obey the users and no longer obey the spies.
> 
> I think the best approach is an old one -- educate everyone, including the 
> young, to appreciate software freedom for its own sake and keep on doing this 
> for generations. I can't think of anything significant that was obtained with 
> a quick ("silver bullet") approach or by placating a set of rules engineered 
> to reinforce the rule of the currently powerful (aka "the market").
> 
> [1] See https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html [2] and 
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html [3] for more 
> on this and on how the older free software movement differs from the younger 
> open source movement.

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[1]
http://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/26722r/the_internet_of_broken_things/
[2] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.html
[3] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html
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