Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 19:05:25 -0700
From: "Marshall Burke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GPS - what's best for 70 CT?
It will get you the exact same, plus the etrex has a lot better tracking
capability than the earthmate. I don't have to keep my etrex in the clear
line of sight of the sky like I do with my earthmate. It also acquires
satellites. quickly, most times within 15-20 seconds, about 45 sec. if I am
moving in a car. You will get some usability with it in Standalone, but you
will not get detail street maps. But you can download directions to the
GPS, and they will show up on the tracks screen, as well as the Route
screen.
Marshall
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From: "Paul D. J. Davila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Libretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 5:06 PM
Subject: RE: GPS - what's best for 70 CT?
> Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 07:56:26 -0400
> From: "Paul D. J. Davila" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: GPS - what's best for 70 CT?
>
> I am currently using a trip mate receiver with my lib50 and have been
having
> problems. it takes forever to initialize. I have been thinking about
getting
> a earth mate. but the current conversation has led me to believe that for
> the same amount of money I could get a etrex and have the same use in car
> plus some use out of car. is this correct. or does the etrex not give you
> the same amount of flexibility in car as a earth mate. when used with
street
> atlas 6 or better
>
> Paul D. J. Davila
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> Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 16:03:32 EDT
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: GPS - what's best for 70 CT?
>
> In a message dated 8/7/00 11:13:31 AM Central Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > you can create waypoint, and routes (up to 50
> > waypoints) with the etrex
>
> Thanks for the info on flash updates and manuals for the eTrex. I will
pick
> these up when I have time.
>
> I am not trying to tell people not to buy the small handhelds or the more
> expensive handhelds. I am trying to get them to spend some time finding
out
> exactly what handhelds will and won't do, and how they do it before they
> invest. My personal experience is that 90 percent of people who buy small
> handhelds to use ONLY IN THE CAR will be disappointed. Obviously, this
might
> not apply if the handheld can also output NMEA to easily drive the StAtlas
> tracking on a Libretto when you want.
>
> IMHO, the routing features on small handhelds are good for offroad,
marine,
> etc use or for retracing your steps back to the hotel, so to speak, in the
> car. In my experience, most people using GPS in a car want to easily find
> something the first time or find a new way to get to somewhere because of
a
> wreck, detour, etc. There is no easy typed (address/zip code or town) to
> (typed address/zip code or town) routing without going back to the laptop
> software or buying a much more expensive handheld. To use waypoints on
the
> street, all addresses have to be converted to lat/lon, UTM or memorized
when
> at the location. Sounds great in the brochure. Works pretty good most of
the
> time on the water and in the woods. In these cases, user is almost always
> trying to get back to a known location, or get to a location given to him
by
> someone else also using a handheld GPS. But waypoint navigation over roads
> usually is a time consuming pain in the real world if you have not
recorded
> each waypoint beforehand. Been there, done that several years ago with
> several older handhelds before mapping software could be easily tracked by
> affordable GPS. Spent a lot of time and money with very poor results.
> IMHO,
> not worth the effort for daily use in the car. OK for occasional use if
you
> do not have a laptop for traveling. Waypoint to waypoint is line of sight
> or
> as the crow flies so to speak. In order to track a curving road between
two
> points fairly accurately, many waypoints have to be recorded. Fifty
> waypoints may mean only one end destination and one return point. One of
my
> older handhelds has a water route from the public docks at Port Aransas,
TX
> to a flats fishing area that is 11 miles away as the crow flies. That
route
> consists of 37 individual waypoints that were memorized in daylight and
> covers 31 miles on the water. Leaving one waypoint out would mean sure
> grounding in fog or moonlight.
>
> To get some easily useable road/street routing functionality onboard the
> handhelds, you have to spend a lot more money. Then you are back to the
> value issue. Do you want a handheld with small screen, small memory, small
> package, good battery life, etc. Or do you want a used laptop/GPS
> rec/mapping
> software combination with all the drawbacks and advantages for about the
> same
> money. Definitely a place for everything. Handhelds get better every
month.
> On the water, my first choice would be a large screen handheld with a
marine
> database. On foot, my first choice would be a small handheld with the
route
> downloaded from a laptop or previously memorized. In the car, my first
> choice would be a (laptop/mapping virtual CD on the hard drive/small GPS
> receiver/12VDC power for everything) combination every time. Your money,
> your choice.
>
> As an unintentional sideline business, I have sold, installed, and now
> support over forty laptop/Gps rec/mapping software combinations in cars in
> the last several years. I do not advertise for this business because it
is
> not very profitable. All word of mouth "That's neat. I want one of
those.
> What does it cost?" type transactions. At least a dozen of these people
had
> handhelds they wanted to trade in or sell. Last system was for a Mercedes
> ML
> with onboard mapping. (used Lib 50 with 12VDC adapter/used Tripmate with
> power adapter/second hand SA6 CD extracted to the HD) Car came with map
CD
> for owner's home state (New Mexico) only. Owner found he could buy a used
> laptop system with much better map info on whole US for less than the cost
> of
> five Mercedes map CDs needed for one trip ($790). Texas is 3 CDs at$140
> each, OK and AR one CD for $140, KS on one CD for $140. His wife hates
the
> sight of the Libretto on a kneeboard/tripmate on the dash in the car, but
> loves knowing exactly how far it is to the next real bathroom when in west
> Texas. He loves telling other Mercedes types he will buy the updated info
> for the entire US on one Street Atlas 7 (maybe 8??) CD before they go to
> Washington state in the fall for $20 if he can afford it. Also uses the
Lib
> for several other tasks since he has it anyway.
>
> Thanks again for the eTrex info. Sorry if I ramble on too much. Alex H.
>
>
>
>
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