Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:46:17 +0200
From: "Robbert J. van Herksen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: batteries
Hey Steven,
I think the battpack can be opened using a sharp hobbyknife.
If you solder two thin "sensing" wires on the plus and minus terminal of the
batterypack (or ypu can measure inside the Libby, after removin the
bottompanel), and then carefully slide the battery in the Libby,
you will be able to see what happens to the voltage when you charge, and
when you pull out the charging connector.
I think the voltage drops under the minimum operatable voltage, resulting in
a "Goodbye" from your Libby.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steven Lagerweij [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 16:16
> To: Libretto
> Subject: RE: batteries
>
>
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 16:08:45 +0200
> From: "Steven Lagerweij" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: batteries
>
> Hi Robbert,
>
> Thanks for your reply. You sure took your time there, thx!
>
> And yes I'm dutch. Zeker weten :)
>
> Anyway,
>
> The reason I am trying to empty the battery is that my libretto
> won't charge
> it correctly anymore, see my first post:
>
> >Hi All,
>
> >My libretto 100's batteries appear to be broken. Windows says
> 99% (orange light) and starts
> >charging for about 5 minutes. Then they are at 100% (green). But
> when I pull the powercord
> >the libretto turns off immediately. It wont turn on either
> without connecting power first.
> >It then again shows the orange light and when in Windows 99% left.
>
> >Does this mean the batterypack is broken or is there something
> wrong with the charging process?
>
>
> So today I thought lets check the voltage and it turned out to be
> only 5 Volts, while the libretto
> reports the batteries at 100% (green light) It had been charging
> all night. Vaguely I remembered
> something about batteries and not getting charged correctly when
> they are used often and that
> they needed to be fully discharged from time-to-time. I am
> however not sure of this.
>
> Also I know there is some electronics inside the batterypack, so
> maybe this is a known problem
> to other libretto users.
>
> In a nutshell, I am looking for a way to solve the batterypack
> problem or either a definite
> answer that it is broken. If that's the case I might try fixing
> it with new batteries, but
> I haven't finished reading about that yet... I don't like buying
> a new pack, because the prices
> I have seen so far come close to the price of the complete
> libretto (yes it was a nice deal)...
>
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robbert J. van Herksen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: zondag 15 juli 2001 15:36
> To: Libretto
> Subject: RE: batteries
>
>
> Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:31:35 +0200
> From: "Robbert J. van Herksen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: RE: batteries
>
> Hey Steven (your surname sounds "a bit" of Dutch...)
>
> The best way to check Nicad batt's is to charge it to the full (following
> the specs),
> and then discharge it with a CONSTANT current.
>
> Just connecing a passive load (a led wouldn't do too much, as the drain is
> approx. 10 Milliamps, will take a month or so to discarge your battery.
>
> Also a resistor will not give you a constant discarge current, as
> the batt.
> gets emptier, the voltage drops slowly, hence the with a constant load
> (resistor) the current drops proportionally with the voltage.
>
> Best thing to do is connecting a "stabilized current-sucker" as I call it.
> It's a simple device that you can make yourself (parts are
> available at any
> good electronics hobby store, i.e Radio Shack), consisting of a
> voltage-regulator and a resistor.
>
> If you (and others in this list) are interested in building this
> simple but
> surprisingly sophisticated device
> , let me know and I'll give you a URL (on my server) from where you can
> download all details, including schematic.
>
> Now, just connect this test-load on a fully charged cell/battery,
> and start
> measuring the time.
> At a certain point the current drops really fast (because it tries to keep
> up the dischargecurrent value, and it has to increase the load
> (the voltage
> regulator does this automatically), and stop timing when the battery is
> empty.
> (contrairy to a lead-acid battery that should not be discarged
> all the way,
> a Nicad cell doesn't mind being squeezed out completely, as long as you
> don't reverse polarity...)
>
> The measured time [decimal Hours), multiplied by the current [mAmps] (your
> should measure it) gives your the approx capacity (mAmpHour) of that
> particular battery.
> Rule of thumb is that if you charge a cell with 100%, it will
> return approx
> 80%.
>
> I even did it more fancier then this:
>
> I have a small (computer) card, fits in any good old ISA slot,
> and it contains a simple Analog to Digital converter.
> It measures a DC voltage on it's input conector (the battery...), and
> outputs a (scalable) digital value to the computer, which is recorded to a
> file at (adjustable) time intervals, hence: food for graphs.
> A special application makes a graph of these data, giving me a neat graph
> picture.
> That's my way of looking at the capacity of any rechargable cell.
>
> >From these data you can calulate the capacity (or what's left of
> it) of the
> battery.
>
> Neat stuff, and this PCB is already 15 years old....... (jikes,
> I'm getting
> old...)
>
> Let me know if this info was usefull, or if you need more help.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Robbert
> Soesterberg, The Netherland
> (and it's raining all day...)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steven Lagerweij [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 14:01
> > To: Libretto
> > Subject: RE: batteries
> >
> >
> > Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:53:27 +0200
> > From: "Steven Lagerweij" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: RE: batteries
> >
> >
> >
> > >>
> > >>Does this mean the batterypack is broken or is there something
> > wrong with
> > >>the charging process?
> >
> > >Without another battery, it's almost impossible to say.
> >
> > Yes, that's true. But since I don't have another battery I was
> > hoping someone
> > here recognizes the problem from experience.
> >
> > BTW, I've checked the battery with a multimeter and it read only
> > 5 Volts, so
> > I am now trying to get it completely discharged with a LED
> > connected to it....
> > Could this help?
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> >
> >
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