Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:34:07 +0000
From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [LIB] L50 w/damaged sound chip or fuse on MB?

>Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 08:44:47
>From: "neil barnes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>>From: "Matthew Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><<
>
>>
>>I can no longer run my sound driver in the L50.  The only thing I can 
>>think of that caused this problem would be trying to set up the HP M820E 
>>CD-R/RW drive�s SCSI card on the L50 w/P75 CPU.  The CPU requirement for 
>>the HP drive is a P133.  At the same time, I set up the WavJammer SCSI 
>>sound card on the EPR�s PC card slot.  Is it possible that setting up 
>>these two SCSI cards simultaneously, one that wasn�t rated for this 
>>system, could have caused the SCSI card to overheat, and thus damage the 
>>Yamaha OPL3-Sax chip on the MB?<<
>>
>>Let me preface the rest of this by saying that my L50 is stock, not
>>overclocked, and the HDD spacers have not been removed.  Here�s the rest 
>>of the story:<<
>>
>>The other night I installed the drivers for this HP CD-R/RW drive, and for 
>>the WavJammer sound card, onto a 6.4GB HDD in my L50. ...<<

>Is your 6.4G drive 8.5mm?


Yes...  It's a Toshiba MK6411MAT


>>I had to disable the onboard Yamaha driver to get the WavJammer drivers 
>>working, but all went well at that point.  The CD-R/RW drive actually 
>>played music CDs fine via its line-out plug.<<
>>
>>Everything worked fine until I finished running some audio recording 
>>tests, removed the HP and WavJammer drivers, and rebooted.  When the 
>>desktop appeared as a solid color, the mouse pointer froze along with the 
>>system. After trying a few things, I ended up disabling the sound driver 
>>in Safe Mode.  That got the system to do a full boot where the system 
>>worked fine.<<
>>
>>The next night I put my old 750MB HDD into the L50 to back up files
and prepare for a Mandrake installation.  I could swear that the system 
booted with the sound driver enabled with no problem.   Not remembering the 
system needed a P133 at this point, I went ahead and installed the drivers 
for the CD-R/RW drive onto this HDD to.<<
>>
>>But the system did not like trying to load and run Nero, and suddenly I 
>>realized why (not enough CPU power), as the system froze in the process.  
>>I booted into Safe Mode, uninstalled Nero and the CD-R/RW drivers, and 
>>rebooted.  But it turned out that the system froze at the same point 
>>booting into the desktop as it did with the 6.4GB HD the night before.  
>>Went back into Safe Mode, disabled the sound driver, and all was well.<<
>>
>>But I was wondering, was this an OS problem that I somehow caused on two 
>>HDDS?  Or is this a hardware problem related to the sound chip on the 
>>MB?<<
>>
>>So I copied the Win98 installation files to the HDD, booted into DOS, ran 
>>attrib and deltree to delete everything else, and installed Win98 onto the 
>>750MB HDD.  But when Windows finishing setting up and booted into the 
>>desktop, everything froze.  Disabling the sound driver in Safe Mode fixed 
>>the problem again.<<
>>
>>Okay� I wanted to have Win95 on that drive to experiment with
installing Mandrake from a CD-ROM.  So I repeated the process and installed 
Win95. Same problem.  Froze booting the desktop.  Disabling sound in Safe 
Mode got the system to fully boot and run.<<
>>
>>So here was the last test.  I deleted the L50 sound driver, put the 750MB 
>>HDD into my L70, and when Windows asked for the sound driver, I fed it the 
>>L70 sound driver via FDD� and TAH DA!� the �Microsoft Sound.Wav� chimed 
>>out fine.  No sound problems with the HDD on the L70.<<
>>
>>Now the only thing I noticed when the problem first manifested, was that 
>>the bottom of the L50 seemed fire hot when I pulled out the CD-R/RW and 
>>WavJammer SCSI cards.  Again, I wonder if those cards could have caused 
>>the sound chip to overheat.<<
>>
>>Or could there be another magic fuse fix here Neil?
>>
>>All input will be greatly appreciated� though I fear the worst.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Matt


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>Um...I don't have much of an idea here. A control card that requires more 
>CPU power should just run slowly - it needs it to get data on and off the 
>pcmcia card, because there is no DMA route (IIRC).<

That's what I assumed myself... but I was stretching for SOME explanation of 
what happened.


>Overheating cards is a possibility, though i've never seen it affect just 
>the sound. However, sudden lockups talking to pc cards were a symptom of my 
>last 50 overheating - though in that case it was a modem card.<

Something I neglected to add in my essay, was that the system goes into a 
feedback loop of sorts.  After booting, and freezing with the desktop 
showing just a solid color and the mouse pointed frozen...  30-60 seconds 
goes by, the system reboots itself, and then starts the process all over.   
I havn't tested to see how many boot attempts would be attempted, or if it 
would ever stop the process.  But I've seen 3 boot attempts, two where it 
began the process again.


>There isn't a fuse AFAIK that just deals with the sound card - can't see 
>why they'd want one, really.

Kinda didn't think so.


>One thought is that the interrupts and DMAs from the sound card have got 
>severely screwed - you could check them in the bios - possibly something 
>colliding with the other two cards?<

Would this be at the BIOS level?  I installed one fresh copy of W98, and two 
of W95.  So I'd think it wouldn't be a problem with the OS settings.


>Last thing - the sound chip has several modes of operation: an eight bit 
>only soundblaster emulation, a sixteen bit yamaha mode, and a sixteen bit 
>windows sound system mode. The windows sound is only eight bits 
>mono...could be it's only working in that mode for whatever reason.<

I'll try a few changes in BIOS and see if I can get anything to come alive.  
But it would seem strange that Toshiba would allow any kind of combination 
of settings in BIOS that would result in a confict.

Thanks for the suggestions Neil.

Matt


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