the key here is the qualifying 'before obtaining written permission'. 
should you NEVER obtain written permission you never need endorse 
anything.  if this is not clear from the wording then i am happy to 
ammend the clause for clarity.

cheers

dave

At 12:29 PM -0500 5/3/02, Forrest J Cavalier III wrote:
>dave sag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote, in part
>
>>  Clause 4 does NOT require promition of derivatives at all. Should you
>>  never obtain written permission, you never need endorse anything.
>>
>
>4. The names "Pronoic", or "pronoic.org" must be used to endorse and
>     promote products derived from this software before obtaining
>     written permission.
>
>You argue that the clause means "must be used WHEN endorsing and
>promoting".  My interpretation, on the other hand, is that as written
>it compels you to endorse and promote products.
>
>What interpretation do others make?
>
>
>
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