At 2:57 PM -0500 5/3/02, John Cowan wrote: >dave sag wrote: > >>># 4. The names "Pronoic", or "pronoic.org" must be used to endorse and >>># promote products derived from this software before obtaining >>># written permission. > > >>No. There is no requirement to use the term pronoic unless you get >>written permission to do so. > > >For Ghu's sake, read what you have written. You say "must be used". >Do you actually mean "must not be used"? There's a big, big difference! >It now sounds like you want to forbid people to use the names without >permission (which is quite legitimate; they are de facto trademarks), >but urge them to obtain permission.
sorry for the confusion. you are absolutely right and when i re-read it is not what i meant at all. ><snip> >Writing a license is like writing code: you are talking to a very >literal-minded individual who will do just what you say. Which is >why not everyone can write code, and not everyone can write a >usable license. yep and the feedback i am getting from you and forrest is quickly helping me polish this so that it still is an expression of the meaning, but makes sense to people too. I am very grateful to both of you. here is now v1.2 amended accordingly. /* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - * * APOSSL : A Pronoic Open Source Software License * * Version 1.2 * * Copyright (c) 2001-2002 Pronoic Ltd, UK * All rights reserved * * * For the purposes of this licence, the lower case use of the word * "pronoic" either within or without the use of quotes, shall mean the * belief that forces are conspiring to make life better for you. * The Canonised version of the word "Pronoic", either within, or * without quotes, shall be taken to mean Pronoic Ltd a company registered * in the UK and whose information is available at http://www.pronoic.com * * Redistribution and use in source and binary forms, with or without * modification, are permitted provided that the following conditions * are met: * * 1. Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. * * 2. Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright * notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in * the documentation and/or other materials provided with the * distribution. * * 3. The end-user documentation included with the redistribution, if * any, must include the following acknowlegement: * * "This product includes software developed by * Pronoic people (http://www.pronoic.org/)." * * Alternatively, this acknowledgement may appear in the software itself, * if and wherever such third-party acknowledgements normally appear. * * 4. The term pronoic should be used to endorse and promote products derived * from this software before obtaining written permission. For written * permission, you must contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * 5. Products derived from this software will always be pronoic, but * the words "pronoic.org" or "Pronoic" may not appear in their names * without prior written permission of Pronoic Ltd. * * THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS" AND ANY EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED * WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES * OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE * DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL PRONOIC LTD NOR ANY CONTRIBUTOR * BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, * SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT * LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF * USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND * ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, * OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT * OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF * SUCH DAMAGE. * ==================================================================== * * This software consists of voluntary contributions made by many * individuals on behalf of Pronoic Ltd, and associated teams. For more * information on pronoic phenomena, please see <http://www.pronoic.org/>. * * Please derive new Software Licences from this licence at your leisure. * */ -- license-discuss archive is at http://crynwr.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm-cgi?3
