I didn't want to discourage you I just wanted to be honest and please do come back with any question you have as we learn by asking. But at the same time as was said in this thread already take the time to expriment and use the resources that are there (google and the like) to come up with the answers yourself. As you do this you will start to understand stuff more and more and things will get easier.
With the professional help I simply ment that if you have a short time to market then you will not get happy with experimenting and you might consider paying someone (a professional) or finding someone who will do it for you since the other way is going to cost you a lot of time. About what David Pollak said: I think he does a great job designing and maintaining lift but I still think without knowing Scala it is virtually impossible to come to grips with Lift no matter how easy it is to set it up. Learning a programming language with no programming background is quite a job, and in my opinion well worth it, but a long term commitment is required. About the comment with Rails... not too sure if Rails or Lift is easier or they are the same. I have experience with Rails and I love the Ruby syntax which I think is a tad better then Scalas so I find Rails still a tad easier but that is because of lack of experience with Lift. If I wouldn't take Lift serious I wouldn't be here and spend my time learning it. I just do not want you to think that you can simply grab lift and understand it immediately. One more thing about the documentation of Lift. The biggest problem I had when starting was that there is no easy link to a workable Lift demo except for the maven archetype and that is just not complex enough for learning purposes. Thank god to github and the likes the applications to checkout are getting more. Still I think it would be great if the Lift website had a download for an application like the Java PetStore or the like for beginners to study. Befor anyone thinks I'm starting a rant here this is just a suggestion and if I can find the time besides all the other pet projects of mine ;) I might just start a demo app. Regards Stefan 2009/10/6 koveen <liep...@xs4all.nl> > > Stefan, > > thanks for your reply. :) > > to anwser your questions: I have no experience with Java and I only > made some very simple static websites, years ago. I will try to listen > to you and try to make a very simple website with Lift. But if -IF- > I've succeeded in doing that, I hope you will excuse me when I'll come > back to ask again the -too complex- question in my mail. > > I am not sure if what you are referring to if you mention the > professional help I should get, but Yes! I am not really happy trying > things out that don't seem to work for me up till now. So shrink or > programmer, any help is welcome! (For now I think I will experiment > with some simple things on my own) > > I know the online liftbook, and I am reading it. I bought the > "Beginning Scala" book from David Pollak, and haven't read that much > yet, but I will. > > Cheers, > > Ko > > > > > > On Oct 6, 11:52 am, Stefan Langer <mailtolan...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Not ment as a offence but you are in way over your head! > > A couple of things: > > 1. You say you are a non-programmer but I assume you do understand Scala? > Or > > else it is pointless to use Lift as it is based on the Scala language and > > relies heavily on its features. Knowledge of Java is also a plus cause > some > > of the libs are not available in Scala but only in Java and it is better > to > > know Java in order to understand the libraries. > > 2. You do have experience with websites? Complex web applications? If not > > then I suggest you start by doing a simple static page for your design to > > get to know the technics you are trying to use or you get yourself a > > programmer/webdesinger to do it for you. If you are not willing to learn > > about the technical details you will get in big trouble later on and I > mean > > trouble that can actually cost you money. > > 3. If the above points do not seem valid for you then please get > > professional help > > 4. If you are not scared by the above points and you are willing to > invest > > then I suggest getting some example code and starting to disect that. > > Take a look athttp://github.com/tjweir/pocketchangeappwhich is a > complete > > demo app in lift > > and take a look athttp://github.com/tjweir/liftbookfor a liftbook that > is > > available freely. > > > > Regards and good luck on your project > > > > Stefan > > > > 2009/10/5 koveen <liep...@xs4all.nl> > > > > > > > > > hi Naftoli, > > > > > thanks for your interest. > > > > > On Oct 5, 10:50 pm, Naftoli Gugenheim <naftoli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Being a non-programmer, and additionally not having a Java > background, > > > > which framework are you comparing Lift to when you say it's not easy? > > > > :) > > > > > First I read a book about rails, explaining things from the start, I > > > did watch quite a lot of nice video's on the web explaining some basic > > > tricks with Rails. I think it is a system that is easy to start with > > > but I became nervous about recurring issues about scaling, the > > > integration of Rails and Merb and had the idea, maybe wrong, that it > > > was a system too much in transition. > > > > > I read part of the tutorial of Lift, installed it on my computer using > > > Maven, but in a way I got lost. > > > > > Then I partially read a book about Wicket. I like the system very > > > much, especially one trick exited me: the Ajaxfallbacklink in which a > > > link worked in a simple way when javasript is disabled , but at the > > > same time has some Ajax functionality when Javascript is enabled on > > > the users system. I liked this feature very much, but the integration > > > with a database is not an integral part of the Wicket-system and can > > > be acquired via a Wicket-Spring-Hibernate combination. This seemed too > > > much for me to get into as a starter. > > > > > That's how I came back to Lift. I need a stable database-connection. > > > You need one when you hope that people will be paying some, even > > > small, amount of money for your service. > > > > > > Can you clarify: Is this going to be a site, or a back end to a > mobile > > > > app that sits on the phone? > > > > > I just want to make a site > > > > > But I hope it is clear I am not here to criticise anybody, it is just > > > that often I feel this system is way over my head. Maybe that will > > > change. > > > > > thanks > > > > > Ko > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:32 PM, koveen <liep...@xs4all.nl> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > Being a no-programmer and having no Java-background > > > > > I'd like to have mentioned that Lift really isn't an easy > framework. > > > > > Having said that, I will try to read my way into this system and > try > > > > > to solve the problems I encounter. > > > > > > > I have one question. > > > > > > > I would like to establish a login method where a visitor of my site > > > > > (to be) could be accepted as a valid user, based on the info the > > > > > server receives when the visitor enters the site. > > > > > > > In my case it will be a site for mobile phones and some mobile > phone > > > > > operators will provide me with the telephone-number of the user > once > > > > > she enters. Once a user has paid for the service, this number > alone > > > > > should be enough to make the visitior into a valid user. Without > > > > > needing to log in. > > > > > > > I have read the following on:http://demo.liftweb.net/ws > > > > > > > t's easy to "dispatch" incoming HTTP requests. > > > > > In your "Boot" class create a PartialFunction > > > > > that matches a pattern related to the incoming request and > > > > > then create a short-lived controller to service the request. > > > > > > > This code matches all the requests to "/webservices/????" and > > > > > assigns the stuff in '????' to the variable c. Then > > > > > the code attempts to find a public method with that name on > > > > > the controller. If the method exists, it's invoked and Lift > > > > > processes the result. > > > > > > > I assume I will have to write my own public method and place it > > > > > where??? in the direcory webservices.? > > > > > > > Maven didn't include such a directory in my project set-up, so I > > > > > assume this "webservices" are on an external server and that I > will > > > > > have torefer to and extend an existing function. Am I correct in > > > > > this? and is there an exemple of how to write such a method. > > > > > > > I would be really happy to make some progress, and any help is > > > > > welcome. > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Ko > > > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lift" group. 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