On Mon 22 Sep 2025 at 15:13:03 (-0700), Knute Snortum wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2025 at 12:44 PM James Teitsma wrote:
> 
> > Thanks David - that moves the lyric-word to justify to the note placement,
> > but I actually wanted the notes (and indeed the entire line of lyrics and
> > notes) to shift to the right or left such that the first (centered-lyric)
> > word was left justified.
> >
> > Your approached produced this:
> >
> > but what I need is this:
> >
> 
> Your email didn't come through with pictures (at least not with my email
> reader.)

Nor mine (mutt). In the end I saved the HTML version of the email and
then opened it in FireFox.

> You may want to attach them again.

Having lent too much weight to the Subject line in my suggestion,
giving a style I dislike but have seen published, the OP's images
show a style I don't recall ever seeing, notwithstanding the fact
that "AI" declares it the standard hymnal style:

  hymnbook style with clef only on first line [← my search]

  In the standard hymnal style, the clef and key signature appear only
  on the first line of music. This practice saves space and reduces
  visual clutter on subsequent lines, as long as the clefs and key
  signatures do not change. Readers are expected to remember the
  initial settings.

  [ … ]

      Benefits of this style

  [ … ]

  Historical convention: This practice is a long-standing tradition
  in music engraving for hymns, dating back centuries to optimize
  printing costs and readability for congregational singing.

OTOH, Google Images doesn't yield a single example, excepting
a lead sheet from musicnotes.com, which has pitches written inside
the noteheads, so obviously for teaching beginners how to play.

All that concerns only the clef omission, not the OP's alignment. I've
got no help for that; perhaps a schemer will come up with something.

Cheers,
David.

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