On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, pevzner david wrote: > But if you advertise that please do it ! Instead of burning RH and Mandrake , I've >burned just > RH and not all the disks , missing 4 and 5 .Initially I choose RH because it was >said that You have > 5 disks including the sources I wanted them too , but ... Though I arrived really at >the begining of
It was our mistake. We were advertising about burning 5 CDs but after figuring out that 2 of them are sources, thinking that it wouldn't interest the beginners so much (and if it does, we will burn it for them seperately some other time), and for the sake of saving time, we decided to stick to 3 CDs also for Red Hat.. The site was not updated, and it was our fault. Next time I am sure that we will take a special care for that. > the party I saw it was really not easy to do technically .So I give up .BTW many >thanks to Alon > I was a bit dissapointed by the way how installers managed installations . May be I'm Some installers were more experienced and some were less experienced, some even installed on their first times. Don't forget that some of them are our Future Generation of Installers :) That's why we've had Linux Installers, Technical support (to deal with general problems and general questions), and Linux Gurus (to deal with specific problems and 'deep' questions). Some of them were also a bit stressed to install Linux for a stranger (fearing that something may go wrong). But this is the nature of such a party. Nobody promises that you will get the best Guru to install linux on your computer, and that's why there's no warranty on the installations. > biased but by the time I was were from 12-16 there wasn't too much people with >computers > May be 10-12 at most . How You get to 75 I don't know , but this is not a point , >may be there where > actually 75 comps installed by the end of the day .The point is that nobody really >knew what is the from 10:00 to 18:00 we've had about 35 installed-persons, so what you are saying (10-12 people at 1200-1600), sounds very reasonable. from 18:00 to 22:00 (that's when things started to move real fast), we've had about 40 more installed-persons, so we had to work more than twice as much as before 18:00, until the end of the party. > difference in those distros at least I couldn't get the answer . Most of >instalations which I saw where > just hitting Enter and not really configuring the system for a specific purposes.In >case of trouble many > of installers didn't knew how to handle it exept Alon .It seems not wise putting him >in charge of burning > disks , a job many others could do , instead he was busy all the time with CDRW. There were many other Gurus there, including myself, and technical support people. I don't know whom you've asked, but I will give you a short answer - the difference is the mainly some of the packages that the companies include with the installations, the "graphical taste" of them, and the kernel that they arrive with (Mandrake 9.0 arrives with 2.4.19, and Redhat 8.0 arrives with 2.4.18). Bottom line - if packages don't interest you, but only how it looks in the end - you should test them both and check what fits your comfortability(?). If specific packages do interest you, you should check specifically in redhat's and mandrake's sites, and there you will know exactly which packages exist in which distribution. Next time, we will give some more details regarding the distributions that we give (another lesson that I am sure that we've learnt). > I think that people which are doing installation should know more which distro >had which packets . The main purpose of the installations is "to give Linux for the masses". To install, in general, you don't have to know much (all you need to know is.. mainly to install it). If we gave every one "a special care" (not that we didn't do, by the way), this party would end next week. A real installation (after the person tried to installed Linux at his home, and realized that he wanted to know more - just like you!), should take a special care, and every person should check the packages that he wants. There are many (many many) packages in those distributions. A few giga-bytes of them.. Nobody really knows about *every* package there. That you should figure out by yourself, and test it by reading the instructions and a short view of what it does. > For example when I back home I started Installation of RH in some stage you are >asking do you prefer > to start with console or X next time you boot. I'm convinced that 100% of insta's >made at the party where > choosing the "easiest option " aka. X . Then people go back home and they start >working with their new > box with preset Red Hat Gnome desktop. What's wrong you can ask me ? Suppose I >don't have enough If a person didn't want the X to run by default, he should have simply told the installer that he doesn't want that, and he wouldn't check it.. :) Usually we prefer to check it, for the people who doesn't have any clue (or start chocking) when they see a text screen. Even telling them to write "startx" might not be too helpful. > memory (which is actually true in my case ,only 32+64 RAM ) I got very slow desktop >and I don't have a > clue that there are another options to choose from ...Because they weren't installed >or set up properly. Well, if it was installed (on the person's box), and it wasn't too slow, then I guess that it was fine, no? if it was slow in advance, I am sure that the installer would figure that out. We've had a few of those as well (and by the way, we asked specifically not to bring too slow computers, so such accidents won't occur, and due to lack of time). > So average user come to conclusion that Linux is bad because it is very slow. Though >he was told that for > Linux to run even 386 will suffiice but on his 586 with let's say 32 Mb it will run >really slow. Let me surprise you - we've installed Linux for a person who claimed that he holds Pentium 2. I saw that it was a 386 or a 486 box.. and I am quite sure that this is what was there for real :) Since some installer already started its installation, I let that funny thing go on.. and after 3 hours it was ready. Slow or not slow - blame the computer. Really :) but after the installation, it worked quite fast. > So you should explain him at least in words that he has many different things to >choose from ... > I've seen in some post idea with premade kickstart floppies It could solve many >different solutions not just > "Home desktop" , "Workstation" , and whatever they call it in Red Hat otherwise you >should manually pick > up different packets , many of which are not necessary or in contrast are missing >from premade RH solu- > tions. You should give a feeling that Linux is different from Windows in sense of >freedom to choose. We do that in lectures and demonstrations (you're invited to arrive to our lectures and listen). As for the installation process itself - we decided to stick on the regular installation, as simple as possible, due to time reasons and in order to synchronize the knowledge between all the installers. If any person wants to figure out more about Linux, which is what I conclude from the things that you say - we've achieved our goals then. The idea is that you will take the simple installation that we did for you, and examine it. You can even leave our installation and retry to install everything from the beginning. That's the idea of exploring, and I hope that people will try to do so (expore the installation specifically, and Linux in general). > I think all Linux is about freedom to choose what you actually need ! Indeed. I fully agree with you. Thank you very much for your comments. > P.S. > I still have some troubles with hardware will try to >fix them > May be will post next time if things doesn't come up >. > -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Adir Abraham Technion's Advisors Group and Public PC Farms Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Haifa, Israel ICQ# 1841481 Cel# +972-55-481245 KeyID: 0xD8DC85C7 Fingerprint: 138D 8F41 7A06 44A0 3DBB 9DC3 FE8B 2658 ____________________________________________________________________________ -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: PGPfreeware 7.0.3 for non-commercial use <http://www.pgp.com> mQEPAzLax/sAAAEIAK2bI8utornDYd5LdU+/TABNmqXneiXuLx4j8OKD2GjfS/O8 E6nrX69ot4uU5ryjp5h+7VHBZqCQz+8VC8ly2ANtycejAc82gllVC96fbA+Y6uuN uI9aXkwNqhphmmQZIVaOZDRAo9//1zX9r41xY+8rKSQuNcp+FPD/A5Itng0xhsfS KkCV4tT0mGpiydUHFrugk/bouXPYwUHXSnHp/mPdGsjgqipezHPzCWIn3xcJjk2/ tjd5/ym+arWpKW5nvTuvalcMi2DIcEilSrT5NLwgeuh3eqitYOc9WTiMNMvUiVcP sucJkdxNwjEX9MgD/bLY9wT/13brqxk71tjchccAEQEAAbQnQWRpciBBYnJhaGFt IDxhZGlyQHZpcGUudGVjaG5pb24uYWMuaWw+iQEVAwUQMtrH+6sZO9bY3IXHAQGb 0gf9FwrJBKaTP0yvf3+vwtB+9ftS0woz1TawJwflC5EoHJs7D/5GzkAaRV82RSkH P9fSHmM+LUB0huBBK1qtNyXHWIjQTmYwFYC8Oen4q0Fyze7cloSnpD1rVjI0HoCO UU8bbz0Iseizdjhnl2PTItQ+dkKzLcww1jW5iPXOWd1o8/8s2aebhrpDRO8BfAYg H29jhmDtuVQDPgFfkN/kP+xpHQplMN5Qh1oP22f+Wyg8sVvSv8P7cM+88u46FHi3 zvHpVnZKIBtKhksnH1PYXtz7FvS7vA+MbpM47kgmQGL5Ygig0pUUbBCGlzmg2Hvd 262YCdVYNwpIjQWBLJI8orea0Q== =dgNP -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Haifa Linux Club Mailing List (http://www.haifux.org) To unsub send an empty message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
