Dear Pat Thanks so much for your interest in this Citizen's petition. Hopefully you can join us on Thursday 3/17 at 3pm as we all share ideas and learn together about electrification of buildings as a way to combat the climate emergency. The link is below. * Mar 17, 2022 03:00 PM https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81095315671 https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81095315671
Meeting ID: 810 9531 5671 Please know that this is just the very beginning of the process. We are in no way interested in rushing any new bylaws in Lincoln. There will be plenty of time and reflection and input from our citizens to determine what is best for our community. To be clear, the Citizen's petition, if passed, would simply ask the legislature to give Lincoln the option to require new construction to be all electric. In the meantime, Lincoln could begin a robust discussion about what works best for our town and would require a vote at a town meeting in the future. I hope this helps clear up some of your concerns. Best, Trish O'Hagan 781 248 5657 > On 03/15/2022 6:54 PM Pat Gray <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Your email proves a point Denis was making. We, the Lincoln community, > should have a thorough and respectful series of conversations before we move > forward on it. It potentially affects all of us and therefore we need our > voices to be heard. > > Not doing so makes one question why? Maybe they are unsure of the support > they will receive from the Town, though I don’t know why. > > This doesn’t feel right. No process of inclusion. > > Pat Gray > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Mar 15, 2022, at 6:33 PM, Belinda Gingrich > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Dennis, > > What would you do to solve the climate crisis? You give well > > thought out ideas and it would be interesting to hear your proposals. > > > > India and China may be producing more greenhouse gases, as they are > > supporting a few more people, but should we do nothing? What ideas to you > > have for Lincoln to do? > > > > If I were building a new home I would want it to be as air tight > > and well insulated as possible so that my energy bills for heating would be > > minuscule. Who wouldn’t want a Passive House > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_house with minimal heating bills? > > Should we be allowed to build inefficient houses because we haven’t heard > > about better options? > > > > Is Gas a right? Massachusetts has very leaky natural gas > > infrastructure > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/10/25/methane-leaks-natural-gas-boston/ > > contributing to global warming and not even heating our houses. It would > > cost enormous amounts of money to repair even the major leaks and new leaks > > are forming all the time. If we could all switch to electric homes we > > wouldn’t need all the leaky infrastructure. I certainly don’t want to pay > > for a leaky gas infrastructure. I want the government to legislate it away! > > > > https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/10/25/methane-emissions-natural-gas-massachusetts-climate-change > > > > There are options. Propane tanks are an option for people who have > > a leaky old house that needs back-up heat, for people who want a generator > > because of trees falling on electric lines (not to mention squirrels > > causing havoc), and for people who must have gas cooktops despite the > > health warnings. This seems a good libertarian option that doesn’t depend > > on a central infrastructure that everyone needs to buy into. Just my 2 > > cents about a centralized gas system. > > > > Warm regards, > > Belinda > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 15, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Dennis Liu > > <[email protected] mailto:[email protected] > wrote: > > > Forgive me as I once again touch the third rail here, but a > > > few questions for consideration. > > > > > > A Lincoln environmental group is asking Town Meeting to > > > petition the state legislature to grant the town the right to ban the > > > installation of gas and oil for new buildings. Stephanie Smoot asked the > > > question, effectively, why was this submitted with short notice and not > > > much investigation or discussion? Trish O’Hagan responded, effectively, > > > this is a TWO-STEP process, and that once the first step is completed > > > (successfully petitioning the legislature), THEN Lincoln can conduct that > > > investigation and debate. > > > > > > To which I ask . . . why not have that investigation and > > > debate NOW? If this is something that the green energy committee CAN > > > convince the majority of townsfolks to support, THEN go ahead with the > > > petition process? Especially since that petition is likely to succeed, > > > so the discussion will need to be had anyway. What’s the benefit of > > > doing it in this order? > > > > > > Perhaps doing it this way makes it EASIER for the proponents > > > to achieve their goal? > > > > > > My $0.02: I am a HUGE fan of induction cooking, preferring > > > it to gas cooking (with electric resistance cooking a very distant > > > third). Electric dryers work just fine, and any operating cost > > > differential over gas dryers is minimal, if not actually cheaper). I do > > > prefer, however, our tankless propane(gas) water heater. And if I were > > > to build a new home, I’d strongly consider an electric heat pump system, > > > but given our climate, would at the least have to supplement that with > > > propane, gas, oil or electric resistance. Who cares, though, what that > > > fool Dennis thinks? What’s critical is that this is just *MY* > > > preference, *MY* choice. > > > > > > As a (small-L) libertarian, I’m very hesitant to *force* my > > > choices on other people. I think folks should be free to determine for > > > themselves what they want and do not want to do. If someone wants to buy > > > bottled water, or use canvas grocery tote bags, or drive a Tesla, or > > > recycle plastic, or use a plastic straw, then let them do there thing. > > > I’m all for personal or group efforts to INFORM people, or PERSUADE > > > people, but passing legislation on all that? Ugh. > > > > > > Yes, I acknowledge that climate change is a > > > “collective-action” problem. But for a rule like this one . . . I will > > > stand athwart the arrows and point out that this is, effectively, a > > > *signal*. And also a way for the proverbial camel to stick its nose into > > > the tent. > > > > > > Why? Because the total number of *NEW* buildings in Lincoln > > > over the next, say, decade, will be, what? 15? 30? How much actual > > > GLOBAL IMPACT ON CLIMATE CHANGE will there be as a result of 30 or 40 new > > > buildings running heat pumps instead of gas/propane/oil? My calculator > > > doesn’t have that many places to the right of the decimal. > > > > > > No, even for argument’s sake, the only real impact would be > > > to *force* *current* homeowners to make the switch. What’s the best path > > > to that, from those who would advocate such a change? Start by moving > > > the Overton window, and make the change on new construction. That’s a > > > reasonable path forward – if you’re in agreement with the end goal. > > > > > > Keep in mind, though, sadly, that none of matters *in the > > > practical sense* because the greenhouse emissions coming out of China, > > > India and other massively populated countries pulling their citizenry out > > > of gross poverty completely and utterly overwhelms whatever savings might > > > be achieved by forcing local townsfolks to making expensive switches to > > > heat pumps. > > > > > > And do keep in mind that heat pumps, in using electricity > > > available in Lincoln, like electric vehicles, are still consuming > > > electricity from fossil fuels (albeit with lower collective emissions). > > > > > > AND also keep in mind that even with subsidies, heat pumps > > > are still costing *all of us* real money – those subsidies are coming > > > either out of the pockets of taxpayers or rate payers or gas/oil/propane > > > customers. TANSTAAFL. > > > > > > Thus – my suggestion is that if this is something that the > > > people of Lincoln should real consider doing, then please have the > > > debate, fully informed, NOW, rather than later. > > > > > > See also: the Boston Globe, “Massachusetts should be > > > converting 100,000 homes a year to electric heat. The actual number: 461” > > > from August 2021, the full text posted below. > > > https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08/21/science/massachusetts-should-be-converting-100000-homes-year-electric-heat-actual-number-461/ > > > > > > > > > Vty, > > > > > > --Dennis > > > > > > Massachusetts should be converting 100,000 homes a year to > > > electric heat. The actual number: 461 > > > By Sabrina Shankman > > > https://12ft.io/proxy?ref=&q=https://www.bostonglobe.com/about/staff-list/staff/sabrina-shankman/?p1=Article_Byline > > > Globe Staff, > > > Updated August 21, 2021, 2:36 p.m. > > > When Massachusetts officials look into the not-so-distant > > > future of 2030, they see 1 million homes across the state comfortably > > > heated and cooled by sleek, efficient heat pumps, their old oil- and > > > gas-burning systems — and the climate-warming emissions they spewed — > > > relegated to the scrap heap. > > > > > > > > > But they are woefully behind pace to reach that lofty goal, > > > and the more time that passes without an urgent response, the further out > > > of reach it gets. > > > > > > > > > According to the state’s own plan > > > https://www.mass.gov/doc/building-sector-technical-report/download , > > > Massachusetts should be converting 100,000 homes a year from fossil fuels > > > to electricity for heating and cooling. The reality is much different: > > > Just 461 homes made the switch last year, according to data reviewed by > > > the Globe. > > > > > > > > > “We are nine years from 2030, and we have barely begun to > > > scratch the surface in terms of what we’re doing and where we need to be > > > going,” said Eugenia Gibbons, Massachusetts climate policy director for > > > Healthcare Without Harm. “We need to be doing more, faster. The world is > > > burning — I don’t know how else to say it.” > > > > > > > > > Nearly one third > > > https://www.mass.gov/doc/building-sector-technical-report/download of > > > Massachusetts’ emissions come from its more than 2 million buildings. The > > > state says eliminating those emissions by shifting to electrical sources > > > — and replacing fossil fuel energy generation with renewable sources, > > > such as wind, hydro-power, and solar — is critical to achieving net zero > > > emissions in time to do the most good. Between 2021 and 2030, the state > > > estimates > > > https://www.mass.gov/doc/interim-clean-energy-and-climate-plan-for-2030-december-30-2020/download > > > , about 1 million residential heating systems will come to the end of > > > their service lives — each a fossil fuel system that could be replaced by > > > one using electricity. > > > > > > > > > Heat pumps, which use electricity to heat and cool buildings, > > > are the best tools for electrifying homes, according to the state’s Clean > > > Energy and Climate for 2030 > > > https://www.mass.gov/info-details/massachusetts-clean-energy-and-climate-plan-for-2030 > > > plan. Yet clean energy experts and advocates say there are several > > > roadblocks to widespread adoption, including high costs, lack of > > > confidence by consumers, and ignorance of the technology among many > > > heating contractors. > > > > > > > > > One of the biggest may be the state’s own energy efficiency > > > program, Mass Save. The program, which is funded by a surcharge on > > > utility bills and run by utility companies including gas providers, > > > offers rebates to homeowners for purchasing certain energy efficient > > > equipment. While Mass Save purports to support the state’s climate goals, > > > advocates say it fails to support full home electrification, and in some > > > cases, appears to even actively discourage it. > > > > > > > > > As the recent UN climate report > > > https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/ made abundantly clear, the time for > > > action is running out. The planet has already warmed by roughly 1.1 > > > degrees Celsius since the 19th century, and as this summer of extreme > > > weather catastrophes has shown, even this amount of warming comes with > > > dire consequences. No matter how quickly we ramp up climate measures, the > > > planet is going to get even warmer, the UN panel said; how much warmer > > > will be determined by the steps taken now to stop greenhouse gas > > > emissions — specifically, by quitting fossil fuels. > > > > > > > > > Unlike many other states and even countries, Massachusetts > > > has a law on the books requiring the state to get to net-zero emissions > > > by 2050. But setting a goal and achieving it are two different things, > > > and failure to ramp up now could lead to a chaotic rush down the road — > > > or make the goal impossible to reach. > > > > > > > > > “We’re off by orders of magnitude from where we’re going to > > > need to get to,” said Cameron Peterson, director of clean energy for the > > > Metropolitan Area Planning Council. > > > > > > > > > At Mass Save, the reluctance is hiding in plain sight. Some > > > homeowners said contractors affiliated with Mass Save dissuaded them from > > > removing their fossil fuel systems and going all-electric. > > > > > > > > > Moreover, the list > > > https://www.masssave.com/saving/residential-rebates/electric-heating-and-cooling/heat-pump-qualified-list > > > of heat pumps that qualify for Mass Save rebates includes equipment > > > that is not specifically designed for cold climates. And even the 2021 > > > form > > > https://www.masssave.com/-/media/Files/PDFs/Save/Residential/Central_AC_and_Heat_Pump_Rebate_Form.pdf?la=en&hash=FF90FEE79E9BCD2B13FCEF3AB8E40100D07F78B3&hash=FF90FEE79E9BCD2B13FCEF3AB8E40100D07F78B3 > > > that homeowners must fill out for a rebate on heat pumps includes this > > > note: “The Sponsors of Mass Save do not recommend fully displacing > > > existing central heating system with heat pump equipment.” > > > > > > > > > Of the 461 full-electric conversions in 2020, fewer than half > > > were facilitated by Mass Save. The rest came from programs sponsored by > > > the Massachusetts Clean Energy Center and the Department of Energy > > > Resources. Both departments have offered programs that help homeowners > > > purchase heat pumps. Though there may have been some additional electric > > > conversions that year, experts in the field said that number is likely to > > > be small. > > > > > > > > > Critics who have been watching the slow progress in > > > Massachusetts are coming to the conclusion that, in its current form, the > > > Mass Save program, which for 20 years has been effective at increasing > > > energy efficiency, may no longer be the best vehicle now that the > > > program’s directive is shifting to helping fight the climate crisis. > > > > > > > > > “It’s difficult to build new imperatives onto old programs,” > > > said Matt Rusteika, who leads the buildings initiative at Acadia Center, > > > a clean energy advocacy organization. > > > > > > > > > While the utilities behind Mass Save say they support the > > > state’s decarbonization plan, Chris Porter, the director of customer > > > energy management for National Grid in New England, stressed that the > > > current 2030 plan is still in draft form, and that in National Grid’s > > > opinion, the best path forward may not be complete electrification. > > > > > > > > > “Our perspective is that there are multiple potential > > > pathways to achieving the goal, which is decarbonization, and achieving > > > the targets laid out in the climate act,” said Porter. “There is still > > > work to be done in order to determine what the optimal, lowest-cost path > > > to achieving that outcome is.” > > > > > > > > > Instead, Porter said, so-called renewable fuels such as > > > hydrogen and renewable natural gas, which he said could deliver > > > lower-carbon fuels via existing infrastructure, could play a role in the > > > state’s future. > > > > > > > > > Both of those options are fraught. Critics say > > > https://earthjustice.org/features/report-building-decarbonization that > > > renewable natural gas, composed mainly of methane made from recaptured > > > carbon or organic material like compost, likely doesn’t exist at the > > > scale needed, and studies have found that gas leaks would still > > > contribute to climate warming > > > https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab9335/meta . > > > Meanwhile hydrogen currently is made from methane, and climate-friendlier > > > versions are still in development while also being called out > > > https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ese3.956 recently in a > > > scientific journal as potentially as bad or worse than fossil fuels. > > > > > > > > > A state official said the 2030 climate plan remains in draft > > > form mainly to incorporate the more rigorous carbon-cutting goals of the > > > Massachusetts law. As a result, any changes would likely step up the > > > ambitions for electrification, not reduce them. > > > > > > > > > The current and proposed incentives in the Mass Save program > > > offer rebates to homeowners heating with oil or propane to purchase heat > > > pumps, but not to owners with gas systems. Mass Save says this is for > > > financial reasons: Heat pumps are expensive. While oil and propane > > > customers can expect to experience savings, gas customers could see their > > > bills rise slightly, and Mass Save has historically functioned first and > > > foremost to save customers money while increasing their energy efficiency. > > > > > > > > > But converting oil and propane customers alone will not get > > > the state to 1 million electrified homes by 2030. Currently in > > > Massachusetts, 750,000 homes are heated with oil or propane. To reach the > > > goal, that means at least 250,000 gas customers must make the switch, too. > > > > > > > > > Some residents said that as they sought to convert their > > > homes off of fossil fuels, contractors, including those associated with > > > Mass Save’s energy audit program, told them that heat pumps alone could > > > not heat a home adequately through a Massachusetts winter. > > > > > > > > > Rusteika saw this firsthand when he converted his own home to > > > heat pumps. “I had five contractors here, and only one advised against a > > > full replacement” of his fossil fuel system, he said. “That was the Mass > > > Save partner.” > > > > > > > > > Across the state, homeowners have said that as they sought to > > > convert their homes off of fossil fuels, they were told by contractors > > > that it could not be done because of the cold winters in Massachusetts. > > > That’s simply not true, according to several experts in the field. > > > > > > > > > “Certainly, we know that whole building electrification can > > > work in Massachusetts,” said Jeremy Koo, an associate at Cadmus, a > > > technical and strategic consulting company that helped the state develop > > > some of its climate plans and which helps implement heat pump programs > > > across the region. > > > > > > > > > Unlike older models of heat pumps, which earned a reputation > > > in the 1990s for failing to adequately heat homes, modern, cold-climate > > > heat pumps can function in temperatures as low as negative 13 degrees. > > > But while some contractors have embraced the new technology, the idea > > > that heat pumps are ineffective lingers. > > > > > > > > > Ben Butterworth, a Melrose homeowner and the senior manager > > > for Climate and Energy Analysis at Acadia Center, said that out the five > > > contractors he spoke with, only one was comfortable fully converting his > > > oil-burning heating system to heat pumps. Because he works in the field > > > and is well versed in the technology, he knew to look around for a more > > > amenable contractor to help him make the switch. But others might be more > > > likely to take the first contractor’s advice and keep a fossil fuel > > > system for backup. > > > > > > > > > Out in the field, Dan Zamagni, the director of operations for > > > New England Ductless, said his company has installed several whole-home > > > heat pumps, and has full confidence that they can do the job. > > > > > > > > > “I think that with a trained eye and the right situation, you > > > can make anything work,” said Zamagni. “These systems are becoming more > > > and more efficient.” > > > > > > > > > For many homeowners, the high costs of installation and > > > operation can represent another big hurdle. There is no one-size-fits-all > > > solution for heat pumps, so different kinds of equipment are needed > > > depending on the specifics of an individual building. Installation costs > > > can have a huge range. A whole-home heat pump program run by the > > > Massachusetts Clean Energy Center found an average project cost of > > > $21,479, which was higher than expected, the program’s director, Meg > > > Howard, noted in a blog. > > > > > > > > > “I am hopeful that this cost premium will shrink as > > > installers become more accustomed to designing whole home heat pump > > > configurations,” she wrote > > > https://www.masscec.com/blog/2020/09/29/september-whole-home-heat-pump-pilot-update-still-time-apply > > > . > > > > > > > > > Once heat pumps are up and running, homeowners who were > > > previously on oil or propane can expect their monthly bills to decrease. > > > While homes previously heating with gas might see a slight increase in > > > the cold months, the annual bills are likely to even out because of > > > savings from air conditioning, Rusteika said. > > > > > > > > > Of course a lot of this depends on the house, according to > > > the Northeast Energy Efficiency Partnerships, an energy-efficiency > > > nonprofit. Homeowners who weatherize their homes before getting estimates > > > will find they save on both installation and operating costs, while a > > > drafty home is going to end up costing more. > > > > > > > > > For oil and propane users making the switch to heat pumps, > > > Mass Save rebates can add up to as much as $6,250 in savings for the > > > average sized home, according to the Acadia Center. > > > > > > > > > By any metric, the rate of heat pump installations is behind. > > > The vast majority of heat pumps are installed in homes where they will > > > supplement existing oil, gas, or propane systems, not replace them > > > outright. And in 2020, the Mass Save program helped install just 3,300 > > > heat pumps, far short even of its own goal of 15,000 a year. > > > > > > > > > Now, a state-run board that oversees the program, the Energy > > > Efficiency Advisory Council, is pushing the utilities behind Mass Save to > > > go further. The council says the program should up its goal to 120,000 > > > heat pumps installed between 2021 and 2024, or 40,000 a year. But there’s > > > no clear goal around how many buildings would be fully electrified in > > > that process, and it remains to be seen whether Mass Save will ultimately > > > adopt the council’s goal. > > > > > > > > > Installing heat pumps but keeping a fossil fuel system as a > > > backup helps decrease greenhouse emissions, and can lead to increased > > > consumer confidence in the technology, making homeowners more likely to > > > fully electrify in the future, several experts said. > > > > > > > > > But there’s a downside, too. “Keeping in fossil fuel > > > equipment has ramifications not just on how far the state gets towards > > > its emissions targets, but also has implications for the infrastructure > > > that’s in place to continue supporting fossil fuel delivery,” said Koo, > > > of Cadmus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Lincoln <[email protected] > > > mailto:[email protected] > On Behalf Of Trish O'Hagan > > > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2022 3:03 PM > > > To: [email protected] mailto:[email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] Webinars regarding Citizen's > > > Petition for Town meeting > > > > > > Dear Stephanie, > > > Thanks so much for your interest in the webinar. Hopefully > > > you will join us this week as we all share ideas and learn together about > > > electrification of buildings as a way to combat the climate emergency. > > > To be clear, the Citizen's petition, if passed, would > > > simply ask the legislature to give Lincoln the option to require new > > > construction to be all electric. At that time, Lincoln could begin a > > > robust discussion about what works best for our town and would require a > > > vote at a town meeting in the future. > > > I hope this helps clear up some of your concerns. > > > Best, > > > Trish O'Hagan > > > Lincoln Mothers Out Front > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 03/12/2022 1:39 PM Stephanie > > > Smoot <[email protected] mailto:[email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There is so much to know about impacts of this > > > > proposed proposition- I'm very suprised that days before the meeting > > > > such significant legislation is being proposed. Especially how it > > > > impacts costs to Lincoln Residents. None of this has been studied in > > > > any depth and data on our current NetZero buildings such as the > > > > expensive all-electric new school is unconfirmed-are we comfortable in > > > > them and are they affordable to run? > > > > > > > > Its important to note that none of the towns mentioned > > > > (Acton Concord Lexington) have actually passed such initiatives and > > > > there is already a NetZero stretch code proposed state-wide. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Stephanie Smoot > > > > > > > > 857 368-9175 work > > > > 781 941-6842 personal cell > > > > 617 595-5217 work cell > > > > 126 Chestnut Circle > > > > Lincoln, MA 01773 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > > > > http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail > > > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 10:06 AM Trish O'Hagan > > > > <[email protected] mailto:[email protected] > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Citizen’s Petition — > > > > Restrict Fossil Fuel Systems in New Buildings > > > > > Related to climate change advocacy, a group of > > > > > residents is asking Town Meeting to support a petition to the state > > > > > legislature that would require new construction be all-electric for > > > > > heating, cooling, and indoor cooking. Lincoln would join other towns > > > > > who similarly have petitioned the state. The changes are necessary > > > > > to help achieve the statewide reductions in greenhouse gas emissions > > > > > nset in the climate act signed in March 2021. Learn more at Zoom > > > > > meetings on Monday 3/14, 7-8pm, and Thursday, 3/17, 3-4pm (links > > > > > below), or call Trish O’Hagan (781-248-5657) or Paul Shorb > > > > > (617-543-5590) with questions. 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