Because people have real lives. The debate about whether to take action is only time well spent if the action is actually allowed.
On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 7:25 PM Richard Panetta <[email protected]> wrote: > So Trish , we not study the options THEN ask the State. Why put the cart > before the horse? Why does it need to be done now? Why do we need to pass > the “option” before we know what’s in it? > > And sorry I work during the day and can’t attend the meeting. > > > On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 7:21 PM Trish O'Hagan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Pat >> Thanks so much for your interest in this Citizen's petition. Hopefully >> you can join us on Thursday 3/17 at 3pm as we all share ideas and learn >> together about electrification of buildings as a way to combat the climate >> emergency. The link is below. >> >> - Mar 17, 2022 03:00 PM >> >> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/81095315671 >> >> Meeting ID: 810 9531 5671 >> >> Please know that this is just the very beginning of the process. >> We are in no way interested in rushing any new bylaws in Lincoln. There >> will be plenty of time and reflection and input from our citizens to >> determine what is best for our community. >> To be clear, the Citizen's petition, if passed, would simply ask the >> legislature to give Lincoln the *option* to require new construction to >> be all electric. In the meantime, Lincoln could begin a robust discussion >> about what works best for our town and would require a vote at a town >> meeting in the future. >> I hope this helps clear up some of your concerns. >> Best, >> >> Trish O'Hagan >> >> 781 248 5657 >> >> On 03/15/2022 6:54 PM Pat Gray <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Your email proves a point Denis was making. We, the Lincoln community, >> should have a thorough and respectful series of conversations before we >> move forward on it. It potentially affects all of us and therefore we need >> our voices to be heard. >> >> Not doing so makes one question why? Maybe they are unsure of the support >> they will receive from the Town, though I don’t know why. >> >> This doesn’t feel right. No process of inclusion. >> >> Pat Gray >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Mar 15, 2022, at 6:33 PM, Belinda Gingrich <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Dennis, >> What would you do to solve the climate crisis? You give well thought out >> ideas and it would be interesting to hear your proposals. >> >> India and China may be producing more greenhouse gases, as they are >> supporting a few more people, but should we do nothing? What ideas to you >> have for Lincoln to do? >> >> If I were building a new home I would want it to be as air tight and well >> insulated as possible so that my energy bills for heating would be >> minuscule. Who wouldn’t want a Passive House >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_house> with minimal heating >> bills? Should we be allowed to build inefficient houses because we haven’t >> heard about better options? >> >> Is Gas a right? Massachusetts has very leaky natural gas infrastructure >> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/10/25/methane-leaks-natural-gas-boston/> >> contributing >> to global warming and not even heating our houses. It would cost enormous >> amounts of money to repair even the major leaks and new leaks are forming >> all the time. If we could all switch to electric homes we wouldn’t need all >> the leaky infrastructure. I certainly don’t want to pay for a leaky gas >> infrastructure. I want the government to legislate it away! >> >> https://www.wbur.org/news/2021/10/25/methane-emissions-natural-gas-massachusetts-climate-change >> >> There are options. Propane tanks are an option for people who have a >> leaky old house that needs back-up heat, for people who want a generator >> because of trees falling on electric lines (not to mention squirrels >> causing havoc), and for people who must have gas cooktops despite the >> health warnings. This seems a good libertarian option that doesn’t depend >> on a central infrastructure that everyone needs to buy into. Just my 2 >> cents about a centralized gas system. >> >> Warm regards, >> Belinda >> >> >> >> On Mar 15, 2022, at 3:07 PM, Dennis Liu <[email protected]> wrote: >> Forgive me as I once again touch the third rail here, but a few questions >> for consideration. >> >> A Lincoln environmental group is asking Town Meeting to petition the >> state legislature to grant the town the right to ban the installation of >> gas and oil for new buildings. Stephanie Smoot asked the question, >> effectively, why was this submitted with short notice and not much >> investigation or discussion? Trish O’Hagan responded, effectively, this is >> a TWO-STEP process, and that once the first step is completed (successfully >> petitioning the legislature), THEN Lincoln can conduct that investigation >> and debate. >> >> To which I ask . . . why not have that investigation and debate NOW? If >> this is something that the green energy committee CAN convince the majority >> of townsfolks to support, THEN go ahead with the petition process? >> Especially since that petition is likely to succeed, so the discussion will >> need to be had anyway. What’s the benefit of doing it in this order? >> >> Perhaps doing it this way makes it EASIER for the proponents to achieve >> their goal? >> >> My $0.02: I am a HUGE fan of induction cooking, preferring it to gas >> cooking (with electric resistance cooking a very distant third). Electric >> dryers work just fine, and any operating cost differential over gas dryers >> is minimal, if not actually cheaper). I do prefer, however, our tankless >> propane(gas) water heater. And if I were to build a new home, I’d strongly >> consider an electric heat pump system, but given our climate, would at the >> least have to supplement that with propane, gas, oil or electric >> resistance. Who cares, though, what that fool Dennis thinks? What’s >> critical is that this is just **MY** preference, **MY** choice. >> >> As a (small-L) libertarian, I’m very hesitant to **force** my choices on >> other people. I think folks should be free to determine for themselves >> what they want and do not want to do. If someone wants to buy bottled >> water, or use canvas grocery tote bags, or drive a Tesla, or recycle >> plastic, or use a plastic straw, then let them do there thing. I’m all for >> personal or group efforts to INFORM people, or PERSUADE people, but passing >> legislation on all that? Ugh. >> >> Yes, I acknowledge that climate change is a “collective-action” problem. >> But for a rule like this one . . . I will stand athwart the arrows and >> point out that this is, effectively, a **signal**. And also a way for >> the proverbial camel to stick its nose into the tent. >> >> Why? Because the total number of **NEW** buildings in Lincoln over the >> next, say, decade, will be, what? 15? 30? How much actual GLOBAL IMPACT >> ON CLIMATE CHANGE will there be as a result of 30 or 40 new buildings >> running heat pumps instead of gas/propane/oil? My calculator doesn’t have >> that many places to the right of the decimal. >> >> No, even for argument’s sake, the only real impact would be to **force** >> **current** homeowners to make the switch. What’s the best path to >> that, from those who would advocate such a change? Start by moving the >> Overton window, and make the change on new construction. That’s a >> reasonable path forward – *if* you’re in agreement with the end goal. >> >> Keep in mind, though, sadly, that none of matters **in the practical >> sense** because the greenhouse emissions coming out of China, India and >> other massively populated countries pulling their citizenry out of gross >> poverty completely and utterly overwhelms whatever savings might be >> achieved by forcing local townsfolks to making expensive switches to heat >> pumps. >> >> And do keep in mind that heat pumps, in using electricity available in >> Lincoln, like electric vehicles, are still consuming electricity from >> fossil fuels (albeit with lower collective emissions). >> >> AND also keep in mind that even with subsidies, heat pumps are still >> costing **all of us** real money – those subsidies are coming either out >> of the pockets of taxpayers or rate payers or gas/oil/propane customers. >> TANSTAAFL. >> >> Thus – my suggestion is that if this is something that the people of >> Lincoln should real consider doing, then please have the debate, fully >> informed, NOW, rather than later. >> >> See also: the Boston Globe, “Massachusetts should be converting 100,000 >> homes a year to electric heat. The actual number: 461” from August 2021, >> the full text posted below. >> https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/08/21/science/massachusetts-should-be-converting-100000-homes-year-electric-heat-actual-number-461/ >> >> >> Vty, >> >> --Dennis >> >> *Massachusetts should be converting 100,000 homes a year to electric >> heat. The actual number: 461* >> *By Sabrina Shankman >> <https://12ft.io/proxy?ref=&q=https://www.bostonglobe.com/about/staff-list/staff/sabrina-shankman/?p1=Article_Byline>* >> Globe Staff, >> Updated August 21, 2021, 2:36 p.m. >> >> When Massachusetts officials look into the not-so-distant future of >> 2030, they see 1 million homes across the state comfortably heated and >> cooled by sleek, efficient heat pumps, their old oil- and gas-burning >> systems — and the climate-warming emissions they spewed — relegated to the >> scrap heap. >> >> But they are woefully behind pace to reach that lofty goal, and the more >> time that passes without an urgent response, the further out of reach it >> gets. >> >> According to the state’s own plan >> <https://www.mass.gov/doc/building-sector-technical-report/download>, >> Massachusetts should be converting 100,000 homes a year from fossil fuels >> to electricity for heating and cooling. The reality is much different: Just >> 461 homes made the switch last year, according to data reviewed by the >> Globe. >> >> “We are nine years from 2030, and we have barely begun to scratch the >> surface in terms of what we’re doing and where we need to be going,” said >> Eugenia Gibbons, Massachusetts climate policy director for Healthcare >> Without Harm. “We need to be doing more, faster. The world is burning — I >> don’t know how else to say it.” >> >> Nearly one third >> <https://www.mass.gov/doc/building-sector-technical-report/download> of >> Massachusetts’ emissions come from its more than 2 million buildings. >> The state says eliminating those emissions by shifting to electrical >> sources — and replacing fossil fuel energy generation with renewable >> sources, such as wind, hydro-power, and solar — is critical to achieving >> net zero emissions in time to do the most good. Between 2021 and 2030, the >> state >> estimates >> <https://www.mass.gov/doc/interim-clean-energy-and-climate-plan-for-2030-december-30-2020/download>, >> about 1 million residential heating systems will come to the end of their >> service lives — each a fossil fuel system that could be replaced by one >> using electricity. >> >> Heat pumps, which use electricity to heat and cool buildings, are the >> best tools for electrifying homes, according to the state’s Clean Energy >> and Climate for 2030 >> <https://www.mass.gov/info-details/massachusetts-clean-energy-and-climate-plan-for-2030> >> plan. >> Yet clean energy experts and advocates say there are several roadblocks >> to widespread adoption, including high costs, lack of confidence by >> consumers, and ignorance of the technology among many heating contractors. >> >> One of the biggest may be the state’s own energy efficiency program, Mass >> Save. The program, which is funded by a surcharge on utility bills and run >> by utility companies including gas providers, offers rebates to homeowners >> for purchasing certain energy efficient equipment. While Mass Save purports >> to support the state’s climate goals, advocates say it fails to support >> full home electrification, and in some cases, appears to even actively >> discourage it. >> >> As the recent UN climate report <https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/> made >> abundantly clear, the time for action is running out. The planet has >> already warmed by roughly 1.1 degrees Celsius since the 19th century, and >> as this summer of extreme weather catastrophes has shown, even this amount >> of warming comes with dire consequences. No matter how quickly we ramp up >> climate measures, the planet is going to get even warmer, the UN panel >> said; how much warmer will be determined by the steps taken now to stop >> greenhouse gas emissions — specifically, by quitting fossil fuels. >> >> Unlike many other states and even countries, Massachusetts has a law on >> the books requiring the state to get to net-zero emissions by 2050. But >> setting a goal and achieving it are two different things, and failure to >> ramp up now could lead to a chaotic rush down the road — or make the goal >> impossible to reach. >> >> “We’re off by orders of magnitude from where we’re going to need to get >> to,” said Cameron Peterson, director of clean energy for the Metropolitan >> Area Planning Council. >> >> At Mass Save, the reluctance is hiding in plain sight. Some homeowners >> said contractors affiliated with Mass Save dissuaded them from removing >> their fossil fuel systems and going all-electric. >> >> Moreover, the list >> <https://www.masssave.com/saving/residential-rebates/electric-heating-and-cooling/heat-pump-qualified-list> >> of >> heat pumps that qualify for Mass Save rebates includes equipment that is >> not specifically designed for cold climates. And even the 2021 form >> <https://www.masssave.com/-/media/Files/PDFs/Save/Residential/Central_AC_and_Heat_Pump_Rebate_Form.pdf?la=en&hash=FF90FEE79E9BCD2B13FCEF3AB8E40100D07F78B3&hash=FF90FEE79E9BCD2B13FCEF3AB8E40100D07F78B3> >> that >> homeowners must fill out for a rebate on heat pumps includes this note: >> “The Sponsors of Mass Save do not recommend fully displacing existing >> central heating system with heat pump equipment.” >> >> Of the 461 full-electric conversions in 2020, fewer than half were >> facilitated by Mass Save. The rest came from programs sponsored by the >> Massachusetts Clean Energy Center and the Department of Energy Resources. >> Both departments have offered programs that help homeowners purchase heat >> pumps. Though there may have been some additional electric conversions >> that year, experts in the field said that number is likely to be small. >> >> Critics who have been watching the slow progress in Massachusetts are >> coming to the conclusion that, in its current form, the Mass Save program, >> which for 20 years has been effective at increasing energy efficiency, >> may no longer be the best vehicle now that the program’s directive is >> shifting to helping fight the climate crisis. >> >> “It’s difficult to build new imperatives onto old programs,” said Matt >> Rusteika, who leads the buildings initiative at Acadia Center, a clean >> energy advocacy organization. >> >> While the utilities behind Mass Save say they support the state’s >> decarbonization plan, Chris Porter, the director of customer energy >> management for National Grid in New England, stressed that the current 2030 >> plan is still in draft form, and that in National Grid’s opinion, the >> best path forward may not be complete electrification. >> >> “Our perspective is that there are multiple potential pathways to >> achieving the goal, which is decarbonization, and achieving the targets >> laid out in the climate act,” said Porter. “There is still work to be done >> in order to determine what the optimal, lowest-cost path to achieving that >> outcome is.” >> >> Instead, Porter said, so-called renewable fuels such as hydrogen and >> renewable natural gas, which he said could deliver lower-carbon fuels via >> existing infrastructure, could play a role in the state’s future. >> >> Both of those options are fraught. Critics say >> <https://earthjustice.org/features/report-building-decarbonization> that >> renewable natural gas, composed mainly of methane made from recaptured >> carbon or organic material like compost, likely doesn’t exist at the scale >> needed, and studies have found that gas leaks would still contribute to >> climate warming >> <https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/ab9335/meta>. >> Meanwhile hydrogen currently is made from methane, and climate-friendlier >> versions are still in development while also being called out >> <https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ese3.956> recently in >> a scientific journal as potentially as bad or worse than fossil fuels. >> >> A state official said the 2030 climate plan remains in draft form mainly >> to incorporate the more rigorous carbon-cutting goals of the Massachusetts >> law. As a result, any changes would likely step up the ambitions for >> electrification, not reduce them. >> >> The current and proposed incentives in the Mass Save program offer >> rebates to homeowners heating with oil or propane to purchase heat pumps, >> but not to owners with gas systems. Mass Save says this is for financial >> reasons: Heat pumps are expensive. While oil and propane customers can >> expect to experience savings, gas customers could see their bills rise >> slightly, and Mass Save has historically functioned first and foremost to >> save customers money while increasing their energy efficiency. >> >> But converting oil and propane customers alone will not get the state to >> 1 million electrified homes by 2030. Currently in Massachusetts, 750,000 >> homes are heated with oil or propane. To reach the goal, that means at >> least 250,000 gas customers must make the switch, too. >> >> Some residents said that as they sought to convert their homes off of >> fossil fuels, contractors, including those associated with Mass Save’s >> energy audit program, told them that heat pumps alone could not heat a home >> adequately through a Massachusetts winter. >> >> Rusteika saw this firsthand when he converted his own home to heat pumps. >> “I had five contractors here, and only one advised against a full >> replacement” of his fossil fuel system, he said. “That was the Mass Save >> partner.” >> >> Across the state, homeowners have said that as they sought to convert >> their homes off of fossil fuels, they were told by contractors that it >> could not be done because of the cold winters in Massachusetts. That’s >> simply not true, according to several experts in the field. >> >> “Certainly, we know that whole building electrification can work in >> Massachusetts,” said Jeremy Koo, an associate at Cadmus, a technical and >> strategic consulting company that helped the state develop some of its >> climate plans and which helps implement heat pump programs across the >> region. >> >> Unlike older models of heat pumps, which earned a reputation in the 1990s >> for failing to adequately heat homes, modern, cold-climate heat pumps can >> function in temperatures as low as negative 13 degrees. But while some >> contractors have embraced the new technology, the idea that heat pumps are >> ineffective lingers. >> >> Ben Butterworth, a Melrose homeowner and the senior manager for Climate >> and Energy Analysis at Acadia Center, said that out the five contractors he >> spoke with, only one was comfortable fully converting his oil-burning >> heating system to heat pumps. Because he works in the field and is well >> versed in the technology, he knew to look around for a more amenable >> contractor >> to help him make the switch. But others might be more likely to take the >> first contractor’s advice and keep a fossil fuel system for backup. >> >> Out in the field, Dan Zamagni, the director of operations for New England >> Ductless, said his company has installed several whole-home heat pumps, and >> has full confidence that they can do the job. >> >> “I think that with a trained eye and the right situation, you can make >> anything work,” said Zamagni. “These systems are becoming more and more >> efficient.” >> >> For many homeowners, the high costs of installation and operation can >> represent another big hurdle. There is no one-size-fits-all solution for >> heat pumps, so different kinds of equipment are needed depending on the >> specifics of an individual building. Installation costs can have a huge >> range. A whole-home heat pump program run by the Massachusetts Clean Energy >> Center found an average project cost of $21,479, which was higher than >> expected, the program’s director, Meg Howard, noted in a blog. >> >> “I am hopeful that this cost premium will shrink as installers become >> more accustomed to designing whole home heat pump configurations,” she >> wrote >> <https://www.masscec.com/blog/2020/09/29/september-whole-home-heat-pump-pilot-update-still-time-apply> >> . >> >> Once heat pumps are up and running, homeowners who were previously on oil >> or propane can expect their monthly bills to decrease. While homes >> previously heating with gas might see a slight increase in the cold months, >> the annual bills are likely to even out because of savings from air >> conditioning, Rusteika said. >> >> Of course a lot of this depends on the house, according to the Northeast >> Energy Efficiency Partnerships, an energy-efficiency nonprofit. Homeowners >> who weatherize their homes before getting estimates will find they save on >> both installation and operating costs, while a drafty home is going to end >> up costing more. >> >> For oil and propane users making the switch to heat pumps, Mass Save >> rebates can add up to as much as $6,250 in savings for the average sized >> home, according to the Acadia Center. >> >> By any metric, the rate of heat pump installations is behind. The vast >> majority of heat pumps are installed in homes where they will supplement >> existing oil, gas, or propane systems, not replace them outright. And in >> 2020, the Mass Save program helped install just 3,300 heat pumps, far short >> even of its own goal of 15,000 a year. >> >> Now, a state-run board that oversees the program, the Energy Efficiency >> Advisory Council, is pushing the utilities behind Mass Save to go further. >> The council says the program should up its goal to 120,000 heat pumps >> installed between 2021 and 2024, or 40,000 a year. But there’s no clear >> goal around how many buildings would be fully electrified in that process, >> and it remains to be seen whether Mass Save will ultimately adopt the >> council’s goal. >> >> Installing heat pumps but keeping a fossil fuel system as a backup helps >> decrease greenhouse emissions, and can lead to increased consumer >> confidence in the technology, making homeowners more likely to fully >> electrify in the future, several experts said. >> >> But there’s a downside, too. “Keeping in fossil fuel equipment has >> ramifications not just on how far the state gets towards its emissions >> targets, but also has implications for the infrastructure that’s in place >> to continue supporting fossil fuel delivery,” said Koo, of Cadmus. >> >> >> >> *From:* Lincoln <[email protected]> *On Behalf Of *Trish >> O'Hagan >> *Sent:* Saturday, March 12, 2022 3:03 PM >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Webinars regarding Citizen's Petition for >> Town meeting >> >> Dear Stephanie, >> Thanks so much for your interest in the webinar. Hopefully you will join >> us this week as we all share ideas and learn together about electrification >> of buildings as a way to combat the climate emergency. >> To be clear, the Citizen's petition, if passed, would simply ask the >> legislature to give Lincoln the option to require new construction to be >> all electric. At that time, Lincoln could begin a robust discussion about >> what works best for our town and would require a vote at a town meeting in >> the future. >> I hope this helps clear up some of your concerns. >> Best, >> Trish O'Hagan >> Lincoln Mothers Out Front >> >> On 03/12/2022 1:39 PM Stephanie Smoot <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> There is so much to know about impacts of this proposed proposition- I'm >> very suprised that* days before the meeting such significant legislation >> is being proposed*. Especially how it impacts costs to Lincoln >> Residents. None of this has been studied in any depth and data on our >> current NetZero buildings such as the expensive all-electric new school is >> unconfirmed-are we comfortable in them and are they affordable to run? >> >> Its important to note that *none of the towns mentioned* (Acton Concord >> Lexington) have actually passed such initiatives and there is already a >> NetZero stretch code proposed state-wide. >> >> >> Regards, >> *Stephanie Smoot* >> >> 857 368-9175 work >> 781 941-6842 personal cell >> *617 595-5217 *work cell >> 126 Chestnut Circle >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/126+Chestnut+Circle+%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++Lincoln,+MA+01773?entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/126+Chestnut+Circle+%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++Lincoln,+MA+01773?entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/126+Chestnut+Circle+%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++Lincoln,+MA+01773?entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/126+Chestnut+Circle+%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++Lincoln,+MA+01773?entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/126+Chestnut+Circle+%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++Lincoln,+MA+01773?entry=gmail&source=g> >> Lincoln, MA 01773 >> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/126+Chestnut+Circle+%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A+++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++Lincoln,+MA+01773?entry=gmail&source=g> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >> Virus-free. www.avg.com >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >> >> On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 10:06 AM Trish O'Hagan <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> *Citizen’s Petition — Restrict Fossil Fuel Systems in New Buildings* >> Related to climate change advocacy, a group of residents is asking Town >> Meeting to support a petition to the state legislature that would require >> new construction be all-electric for heating, cooling, and indoor cooking. >> Lincoln would join other towns who similarly have petitioned the state. >> The changes are necessary to help achieve the statewide reductions in >> greenhouse gas emissions nset in the climate act signed in March 2021. >> Learn more at Zoom meetings on Monday 3/14, 7-8pm, and Thursday, 3/17, >> 3-4pm (links below), or call Trish O’Hagan (781-248-5657) or Paul Shorb >> (617-543-5590) with questions. 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