Thank you-all clear now.
However, it surely gives “Plan C” a leg up, if deemed compliant….a bit if a 
finger no the scale.
Well, what’s done is done.



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Sara Mattes




> On Oct 18, 2023, at 6:39 PM, Margaret Olson <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Option C was ready and we can make  multiple submissions.
> The submission is a compliance check - the step where the state says "if you 
> pass that, we will find you to be in compliance".  If the town prefers D it 
> will also go to the state for a compliance check.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 6:32 PM Sara Mattes <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> I thought we were waiting to submit AFTER  the Dec. Spc.TM?
>> Where is this schedule posted so I can get this straight as to what is 
>> happening when.
>> 
>> 
>> ------
>> Sara Mattes
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2023, at 2:11 PM, Margaret Olson <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The town's submission is posted on the town's HCWG website. You can also go 
>>> to the state website and look at the model. I find it very complicated. 
>>> Perhaps you won't.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 1:58 PM Bijoy Misra <[email protected] 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>> I don't understand why we are continuously told that things are too 
>>>> complicated.
>>>> I have heard similar language in the past.  We can handle complicated 
>>>> matters,
>>>> we sort out complicated matters in our physical life.  Can we see all 
>>>> documents?
>>>> Please underline where the complications are.
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 1:46 PM Margaret Olson <[email protected] 
>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>> Yes, the state model uses the state regulations. We submit our zoning to 
>>>>> the state for a regulatory check using their model. We are not proposing 
>>>>> to change our wetlands regulations. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is there some problem with Option C related to wetlands? Maybe - but 
>>>>> that's why we have town counsel. I'm sure he'll tell us if there is, and 
>>>>> then the HCWG will have to figure out how to respond.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Margaret
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 1:24 PM Karla Gravis <[email protected] 
>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>> That is inaccurate. The State uses a 50' buffer to model developable 
>>>>>> land, per Massachusetts Title 5 Wetlands Protection Program Policy (see 
>>>>>> link below). Lincoln's Director of Planning and Land Use (Paula Vaughn) 
>>>>>> confirmed that we can only exclude the wetlands and 50' setback in our 
>>>>>> HCA model, not the 100'. The 100' buffer is a local Lincoln ordinance.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> By submitting Option C to the State, according to the model rules, we 
>>>>>> are submitting with a 50' buffer. Once it is approved by the State with 
>>>>>> a 50' buffer, it would be difficult for us to think we can apply our 
>>>>>> local 100' buffer. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Link to State wetland 
>>>>>> protectionshttps://www.mass.gov/info-details/wetlands-program-policy-86-1-title-5-and-the-wetlands-protection-act
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> <http://www.mass.gov/info-details/wetlands-program-policy-86-1-title-5-and-the-wetlands-protection-act>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>> From: Margaret Olson <[email protected] 
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>> Date: Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 12:56
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] HCA & Codman Road
>>>>>>> To: David Cuetos <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>> CC: Lincoln Talk <[email protected] 
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The proposed zoning makes no change to our wetlands regulations. I 
>>>>>>> believe the 100' buffer is state law not Lincoln.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The HCA does not require and and our proposed zoning does not include 
>>>>>>> any changes to our wetlands regulations.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The parcels at the end of Codman Road and the DPW are included to make 
>>>>>>> all the (many, complicated) numbers and rules work.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The DPW is town owned - it is municipal property. Selling municipal 
>>>>>>> property requires a vote of town meeting. Municipal property does not 
>>>>>>> count as developable land for the purposes of the HCA.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The Option C state submission is published on the housing choice 
>>>>>>> working group page: 
>>>>>>> https://www.lincolntown.org/1327/Housing-Choice-Act-Working-Group.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Margaret
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 12:29 PM David Cuetos <[email protected] 
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have three questions for Lincoln residents and board members 
>>>>>>>> involved in the HCA rezoning process
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  Are Lincoln residents comfortable with loosening our wetland 
>>>>>>>> restrictions?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Option C includes only a 50' buffer from wetlands, as that is what is 
>>>>>>>> allowed by the State. Lincoln has historically required a 100' 
>>>>>>>> setback. When a given district is rezoned to make it HCA compliant, 
>>>>>>>> Lincoln is de facto aligning with the State's wetlands 
>>>>>>>> characterization and 50' buffer. Thus, the rezoning would make it 
>>>>>>>> possible to build in areas in which it would not be possible to build 
>>>>>>>> today under Lincoln's conservation practices. I have attached pictures 
>>>>>>>> of Codman Rd wetlands from the State map compared to Lincoln's, so 
>>>>>>>> that everyone can see how different they look. Option C exacerbates 
>>>>>>>> this issue because it contains a large wetland area.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The Codman Rd district in option C was made larger than the Codman 
>>>>>>>> Corner district presented by the HCAWG in June, by extending into 
>>>>>>>> wetlands. Why are we making it possible to build three-story 
>>>>>>>> multi-family buildings on wetland buffers?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Why did the HCA WG decide to newly include 10 acres of parcels 
>>>>>>>> 171_26_0 through 171_29_0, that the town considers to be mostly 
>>>>>>>> wetlands? There was no technical reason to include those parcels . The 
>>>>>>>> proposal would still be well within the required lower bounds of 
>>>>>>>> units, total acreage, subdistrict acreage if those parcels were 
>>>>>>>> removed. Images below.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Why was the DPW site included in the HCA district? Is there a plan to 
>>>>>>>> redevelop that parcel and move the DPW to a different location in town?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The DPW site is part of Option C's district, which means it could 
>>>>>>>> eventually be redeveloped at 18 units/acre. We get no credit by 
>>>>>>>> including the DPW land as part of the HCA district, since the state 
>>>>>>>> does not consider it developable land today as it is owned by the 
>>>>>>>> town. However, by including it in the HCA district, we are preventing 
>>>>>>>> any sort of future mandate that would require more than 10% affordable 
>>>>>>>> housing on that parcel. I am curious as to the reason the DPW was 
>>>>>>>> included when we get no "credit" for it. One proposal I have heard is 
>>>>>>>> that the DPW site could be moved to the Transfer Station, is that the 
>>>>>>>> WG's reasoning?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There are other areas in town we could rezone that would prevent these 
>>>>>>>> issues. In fact, some of the proposals that were put forward by the WG 
>>>>>>>> in the first stages of the process were more in-line with Lincoln's 
>>>>>>>> approach to rezoning and development, which put a high value on 
>>>>>>>> ecological sustainability, preservation of its rural character and 
>>>>>>>> affordability.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Codman Rd district
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Local map
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> <image.png>
>>>>>>>> State map 
>>>>>>>> https://maps.massgis.digital.mass.gov/images/dep/omv/wetviewer.htm
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> <image.png>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Codman Corner district (June proposal)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> <image.png>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Codman Rd district see area in green (Option C)
>>>>>>>> <image.png>
>>>>>>>> Developable area around Lincoln Station
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> <image.png>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 11:29 PM <[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Jeff, I’m not an architect either, but am pretty sure the Onigman 
>>>>>>>>>> lot would never host 20, let alone 15 units, unless Lincoln decides 
>>>>>>>>>> to adopt municipal sewage. A development isn’t just a building 
>>>>>>>>>> footprint; it needs to conform to setbacks, building codes, parking 
>>>>>>>>>> access and probably many other standards. (Full disclosure: I wasn’t 
>>>>>>>>>> even able to get a permit for a single-car garage on a 2-acre lot, 
>>>>>>>>>> due to such restrictions). The economics would probably have to be 
>>>>>>>>>> much more favorable than they are at present.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I also enjoy walking to town on a trail that takes me to Todd Pond 
>>>>>>>>>> Road – a much quieter route than Codman Rd.!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Jennie
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Bowles Terrace
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> From: Lincoln <[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Jeff B
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2023 11:43 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: David Onigman <[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] HCA & Codman Road
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> David,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Looking at the town's GIS, it looks to me like your 2.8 acre plot 
>>>>>>>>>> could definitely have a much larger footprint than the existing 
>>>>>>>>>> house, even with the wetlands on the property.  And at 15 units an 
>>>>>>>>>> acre, it could potentially house 20+ units?  What was your sourcing 
>>>>>>>>>> for the inability to develop further?  I admit, I'm one of the few 
>>>>>>>>>> town residents who is not an architect so I might be missing 
>>>>>>>>>> something.  
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The HCA working group says that this rezoning would potentially 
>>>>>>>>>> shift 11 units into 180 units, so I'm just trying to pin down where 
>>>>>>>>>> these could potentially be.  If most of the Codman owners are not 
>>>>>>>>>> planning on taking advantage of this change (or cannot), then 
>>>>>>>>>> excluding these lots from a HCA plan would seem to cost little to 
>>>>>>>>>> the goals of increased housing stock.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> In general I'm really struggling with the general issues of this HCA 
>>>>>>>>>> plan that takes a very residential street now -- Codman -- and 
>>>>>>>>>> rezones it to something entirely different.  It seems like not just 
>>>>>>>>>> taking a downtown area and densifying it, but rather expanding the 
>>>>>>>>>> downtown area dramatically in a way that doesn't feel like the 
>>>>>>>>>> Lincoln we all know now and (when time allows) walk through to get 
>>>>>>>>>> to Codman Farm and Donelans or the Tack Room.  The feel of houses 
>>>>>>>>>> like yours really makes the walk feel more like being on one of our 
>>>>>>>>>> many trails in town, versus on a busy street sidewalk.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Add my voice to all the others on here that would be very interested 
>>>>>>>>>> in seeing a HCA compliant proposal that doesn't include the Codman 
>>>>>>>>>> subdistrict.  If we as a town discover we love the feel of the new 
>>>>>>>>>> downtown housing project awaiting a greenlight, we can always add a 
>>>>>>>>>> Codman district later and double the effect.  But we don't have the 
>>>>>>>>>> luxury of clawing it back ever, and this current plan looks like a 
>>>>>>>>>> blind leap that would cost a feel that many in the town cherish.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Jeff Birchby
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Twin Pond Lane
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>>>>> From: David Onigman <[email protected] 
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 10:35 AM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [LincolnTalk] HCA & Codman Road
>>>>>>>>>> To: <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I have been hesitant to engage in the housing discussion on 
>>>>>>>>>> LincolnTalk, but after reading a few recent comments about the 
>>>>>>>>>> motives for some of the Codman Road residents and their advocacy in 
>>>>>>>>>> favor of the Housing Choice Act and our road being included in it, I 
>>>>>>>>>> am inspired to weigh in.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I live on Codman Road and was one of the residents that advocated in 
>>>>>>>>>> favor of my area of South Lincoln to be included in the proposals 
>>>>>>>>>> submitted to the Commonwealth to be in compliance with the Housing 
>>>>>>>>>> Choice Act.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I consider myself a housing advocate and generally speaking am in 
>>>>>>>>>> favor of the legislation. There is a housing crisis in this country, 
>>>>>>>>>> and in Massachusetts, and every town can do their part to contribute 
>>>>>>>>>> a small bit to increased inventory to support this issue. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I also consider myself an advocate of public transportation and am a 
>>>>>>>>>> frequent user of the commuter rail. My family is able to currently 
>>>>>>>>>> be a one car family largely in part to my proximity to the train 
>>>>>>>>>> into Boston.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I am in support of all plans that include these subdistricts to be 
>>>>>>>>>> as close to the Commuter Rail as possible, as I believe that to be 
>>>>>>>>>> in the spirit of this legislation, and also what is best for our 
>>>>>>>>>> town planning.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I love Lincoln, I think Lincoln is an amazing place to live and 
>>>>>>>>>> raise children. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Lincoln is over 40% conservation land and nothing is ever going to 
>>>>>>>>>> change that. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I believe that the effects of the HCA to loosen a bit of the zoning 
>>>>>>>>>> laws in certain subdistricts to not be by-right single-family 
>>>>>>>>>> housing is a good thing. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I believe towns like Lincoln that are looking to support a small 
>>>>>>>>>> commercial center and maintain services like a grocery store need to 
>>>>>>>>>> modify a bit of the by-right zoning to ensure that things like 
>>>>>>>>>> having a grocery store are sustainable.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Let me clarify that my beliefs are not driven by any personal 
>>>>>>>>>> financial aspirations linked to my property. For those seeking 
>>>>>>>>>> assurance, my lot, surrounded by wetlands, isn't viable for further 
>>>>>>>>>> development. Our family home, built in 1951, has always stood here, 
>>>>>>>>>> and we have no intentions of leaving.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> So I am just here to say - yes, in my backyard, I support the HCA, I 
>>>>>>>>>> support Codman road being included as one of the subdistricts. 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Every town can do a small part to support more housing inventory and 
>>>>>>>>>> every town can do a small part to allow more housing near public 
>>>>>>>>>> transportation.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I’m not looking to engage in any LincolnTalk back and forth on my 
>>>>>>>>>> thoughts on this, but if anyone is looking to discuss these topics 
>>>>>>>>>> further offline, please feel free to write me an email and we can 
>>>>>>>>>> grab a cup of coffee.
>>>>>>>>>> 
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