Zoned under HCA or not as in Option E there are no facts to support that anyone has legitimately proposed to "get rid of" the town owned commuter lot. In fact, until we see an article brought before town meeting to vote (with 2/3rd majority) I'd say that even honest debate at public meetings still puts that possibility in the unlikely to somewhat unlikely category.
This isn't a commentary on which option to choose, but if we are trying to set a baseline and stick to facts I'm always willing to be proven wrong. Perhaps this has come up in passing at some point but there are still hurdles to overcome before it could ever happen. And I don't believe the HCA would water many (any?) of those down regardless of what the town decides Dec 2nd. On Mon, Nov 27, 2023, 14:35 Scott Clary <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you Mark and Karla for this information based on fact. > > Kind Regards, > > Scott Clary > 617-968-5769 > > Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2023, 12:29 PM Mark Levinson <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Getting rid of the town-owned commuter parking lot at Lincoln Station >> would blow up any claim by the proponents of redeveloping the Mall that one >> of their main goals is to promote the use of public transportation. >> >> >> >> The parking lot currently has 166 spaces (according to the MBTA web site: >> https://www.mbta.com/stops/place-FR-0167 ). Before the pandemic, the >> lot was mostly filled every weekday. If there were a, say 100 unit >> building erected on that site, I think it would be a stretch to assume even >> 25 daily commuter rail riders from that building. That would represent a >> reduction of more than 100 riders per day. >> >> >> >> The numbers may be approximate, but the point is not: getting rid of the >> town commuter lot would be a big step backwards for public transportation. >> >> >> >> BTW, there is an occasional, recurring red herring that pops up that if >> we don’t enable development of lots of new housing at Lincoln Station, >> there’s a risk that the MBTA will drop Lincoln as a commuter rail stop. >> The commuter rail lot is one clear reason why that won’t happen (as long as >> it remains). Together with the additional commuter rail parking on the >> Doherty’s side of the tracks, we have around 200 parking spaces. This is >> by far the most parking for any station between Waltham and South Acton. >> (Kendall Green: 57 spaces; Concord: 86; West Concord: 146) >> >> >> >> By providing commuter rail parking, Lincoln has been doing more than its >> fair share for years to promote public transportation. >> >> >> >> Mark Levinson >> >> Ridge Rd. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Karla Gravis <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2023 2:07 PM >> *To:* Lincoln Talk <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Fwd: Cold Brook Crossing >> >> >> >> According to the HCAWG presentation, expanding the LW sewage plant will >> cost $2M-$4M, and the plan is for the town to apply for a Massworks grant. >> Must be noted that the grant would only cover up to 50% of the cost (and we >> would be applying for this grant to benefit a private developer). >> >> >> >> Planning board member Mr. Taylor has said, on two separate occasions >> during public meetings, that in order to provide an "incentive" to TCB to >> cooperate on the expansion of the septic plant, we would allow them to >> build housing on the commuter parking lot. This is the backstory as to why >> the commuter lot is included in the rezoning, even though it doesn't >> provide any units towards compliance. It is public record that the Selects >> have met three times this year to discuss the conveyance of an undisclosed >> parcel. >> >> >> >> I do not understand why the town is negotiating with town property on >> behalf of private parties (RLF/Civico). It sets a complicated precedent, >> and it is questionable that this advances the general interest of the town. >> >> >> >> For those looking for the actual quotes, Mr. Taylor says it in minute >> 1:48:15 of this past Monday's PB meeting, and also in the minutes of the >> July 11th PB minutes (links below). >> >> >> >> 11/20 PB meeting >> >> >> https://cloud.castus.tv/vod/lincoln/video/655ccf53888dbd0008844d4a?page=HOME >> >> 1:48:15 >> >> >> >> 07/11 PM minutes >> >> https://www.lincolntown.org/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Minutes/_07112023-5133 >> >> PVM gave a brief overview of the subdistrict presentation and ran through >> the potential options and discussed a new Option 7. PVM said that The >> Community Builders (TCB)would have no reason to tear down anything at >> Lincoln Woods and would more likely develop something at the commuter lot. >> GT said that any project on the RLF/Mall property that included any >> substantial housing would need TCB cooperation in the expansion of the >> septic system that serves the Mall and Lincoln Woods and said that the >> opportunity to develop housing on the commuter parking lot could provide >> that incentive. He also noted that any housing developed by TCB on the >> commuter lot would be 100% affordable and count on Lincoln’s Subsidized >> Housing >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:22 PM Debra Daugherty <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> So, I think the Lincoln Woods sewage treatment plant is supposed to >> support that Mall development, right? How would that work? I assume it >> would need to be greatly increased in capacity. (Sorry if I'm asking >> questions that I should already know the answer to ...) >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:04 PM Robert Ahlert <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Actually, Ken, it’s a pretty good analog for the Village center proposal >> in options C&D. Not a scare monger tactic as you suggest. >> >> >> >> And now, with the revelation that Village Center will have up to 48 feet >> in height, we could end up with a four-story building with parking >> underneath. Please see the planning board meeting from last Monday for >> evidence of this. >> >> >> >> Also, Please look at the site plan below from Cold Brook Crossing and the >> 20 units per acre, which is *less* than options C&D at 25 units per acre. >> >> >> >> These emails made the first go round in Mid October >> >> >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: *Robert Ahlert* <[email protected]> >> Date: Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 11:48 AM >> Subject: Cold Brook Crossing >> To: LincolnHCA <[email protected]> >> >> >> >> Hi - >> >> >> >> As a reminder, Cold Brook is documented at 20 units per acres (101 / 5.05 >> acres). See yellow highlight. Also note that septic area has very much >> been minimized (red circles) >> >> >> >> >> https://sudbury.ma.us/pcd/wp-content/uploads/sites/326/2020/05/Cold-Brook-Crossing-Attachment-M-Site-Plan-March-2020.pdf?version=b0d9838a9aaeb12612c9c1a52890ee75 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Robert Ahlert* | *781.738.1069* | [email protected] >> >> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >> Browse the archives at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> >> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >> Browse the archives at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> >> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >> Browse the archives at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> >> -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to [email protected]. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ > . > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. > >
-- The LincolnTalk mailing list. To post, send mail to [email protected]. Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. Change your subscription settings at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln.
