Apologies my brain is frying this afternoon - both of the commuter lots are in the existing South Lincoln overlay district. The base zoning for the paid lot is B-1 and for the resident lot B-2.
On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 5:12 PM Margaret Olson <[email protected]> wrote: > Zoning changes do not invalidate other regulations or laws. > To change the use of municipal land requires a 2/3 vote by town meeting. > Note that both commuter lots are already in the existing Village Center > overlay district. The base zoning for the paid commuter lot is B-1, the > base zoning for the resident commuter lot is B-2. You can see all of this > by going to the town GIS and turning on the zoning layers. > > > > On Mon, Nov 27, 2023 at 3:45 PM Scott Clary <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thanks Chris, >> >> I don't believe this thread is suggesting that developing the town owned >> commuter parking lot is imminent or has necessarily gone through >> "legitimate" channels. >> >> When I used the word fact, I was using it in reference to Mark's commuter >> rail parking criteria relative to other towns and Karla pointing out the >> fact that a planning board member has publicly stated twice that he feels >> the need to provide incentive to a developer in the form of allowing >> housing on the town owned commuter rail parking lot. Correct me if I'm >> wrong, but if this lot gets rezoned under HCA, it becomes developable by >> right and two-thirds town meeting process is not part of the equation. And >> we get zero credit towards HCA compliance. Whether one believes a planning >> board members public comments are legitimate or not, I guess is up for >> debate. >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Scott Clary >> 617-968-5769 >> >> Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors >> >> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023, 2:57 PM Chris McCarthy <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Zoned under HCA or not as in Option E there are no facts to support that >>> anyone has legitimately proposed to "get rid of" the town owned commuter >>> lot. In fact, until we see an article brought before town meeting to vote >>> (with 2/3rd majority) I'd say that even honest debate at public meetings >>> still puts that possibility in the unlikely to somewhat unlikely category. >>> >>> This isn't a commentary on which option to choose, but if we are trying >>> to set a baseline and stick to facts I'm always willing to be proven wrong. >>> Perhaps this has come up in passing at some point but there are still >>> hurdles to overcome before it could ever happen. And I don't believe the >>> HCA would water many (any?) of those down regardless of what the town >>> decides Dec 2nd. >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023, 14:35 Scott Clary <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you Mark and Karla for this information based on fact. >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> Scott Clary >>>> 617-968-5769 >>>> >>>> Sent from a mobile device - please excuse typos and errors >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 27, 2023, 12:29 PM Mark Levinson < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Getting rid of the town-owned commuter parking lot at Lincoln Station >>>>> would blow up any claim by the proponents of redeveloping the Mall that >>>>> one >>>>> of their main goals is to promote the use of public transportation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The parking lot currently has 166 spaces (according to the MBTA web >>>>> site: https://www.mbta.com/stops/place-FR-0167 ). Before the >>>>> pandemic, the lot was mostly filled every weekday. If there were a, say >>>>> 100 unit building erected on that site, I think it would be a stretch to >>>>> assume even 25 daily commuter rail riders from that building. That would >>>>> represent a reduction of more than 100 riders per day. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The numbers may be approximate, but the point is not: getting rid of >>>>> the town commuter lot would be a big step backwards for public >>>>> transportation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> BTW, there is an occasional, recurring red herring that pops up that >>>>> if we don’t enable development of lots of new housing at Lincoln Station, >>>>> there’s a risk that the MBTA will drop Lincoln as a commuter rail stop. >>>>> The commuter rail lot is one clear reason why that won’t happen (as long >>>>> as >>>>> it remains). Together with the additional commuter rail parking on the >>>>> Doherty’s side of the tracks, we have around 200 parking spaces. This is >>>>> by far the most parking for any station between Waltham and South Acton. >>>>> (Kendall Green: 57 spaces; Concord: 86; West Concord: 146) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> By providing commuter rail parking, Lincoln has been doing more than >>>>> its fair share for years to promote public transportation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Mark Levinson >>>>> >>>>> Ridge Rd. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Karla Gravis <[email protected]> >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 26, 2023 2:07 PM >>>>> *To:* Lincoln Talk <[email protected]> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [LincolnTalk] Fwd: Cold Brook Crossing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> According to the HCAWG presentation, expanding the LW sewage plant >>>>> will cost $2M-$4M, and the plan is for the town to apply for a Massworks >>>>> grant. Must be noted that the grant would only cover up to 50% of the cost >>>>> (and we would be applying for this grant to benefit a private developer). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Planning board member Mr. Taylor has said, on two separate occasions >>>>> during public meetings, that in order to provide an "incentive" to TCB to >>>>> cooperate on the expansion of the septic plant, we would allow them to >>>>> build housing on the commuter parking lot. This is the backstory as to why >>>>> the commuter lot is included in the rezoning, even though it doesn't >>>>> provide any units towards compliance. It is public record that the Selects >>>>> have met three times this year to discuss the conveyance of an undisclosed >>>>> parcel. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I do not understand why the town is negotiating with town property on >>>>> behalf of private parties (RLF/Civico). It sets a complicated precedent, >>>>> and it is questionable that this advances the general interest of the >>>>> town. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> For those looking for the actual quotes, Mr. Taylor says it in minute >>>>> 1:48:15 of this past Monday's PB meeting, and also in the minutes of the >>>>> July 11th PB minutes (links below). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 11/20 PB meeting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://cloud.castus.tv/vod/lincoln/video/655ccf53888dbd0008844d4a?page=HOME >>>>> >>>>> 1:48:15 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 07/11 PM minutes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.lincolntown.org/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Minutes/_07112023-5133 >>>>> >>>>> PVM gave a brief overview of the subdistrict presentation and ran >>>>> through the potential options and discussed a new Option 7. PVM said that >>>>> The Community Builders (TCB)would have no reason to tear down anything at >>>>> Lincoln Woods and would more likely develop something at the commuter lot. >>>>> GT said that any project on the RLF/Mall property that included any >>>>> substantial housing would need TCB cooperation in the expansion of the >>>>> septic system that serves the Mall and Lincoln Woods and said that the >>>>> opportunity to develop housing on the commuter parking lot could provide >>>>> that incentive. He also noted that any housing developed by TCB on the >>>>> commuter lot would be 100% affordable and count on Lincoln’s Subsidized >>>>> Housing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:22 PM Debra Daugherty <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> So, I think the Lincoln Woods sewage treatment plant is supposed to >>>>> support that Mall development, right? How would that work? I assume it >>>>> would need to be greatly increased in capacity. (Sorry if I'm asking >>>>> questions that I should already know the answer to ...) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 1:04 PM Robert Ahlert <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Actually, Ken, it’s a pretty good analog for the Village center >>>>> proposal in options C&D. Not a scare monger tactic as you suggest. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And now, with the revelation that Village Center will have up to 48 >>>>> feet in height, we could end up with a four-story building with parking >>>>> underneath. Please see the planning board meeting from last Monday for >>>>> evidence of this. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Also, Please look at the site plan below from Cold Brook Crossing and >>>>> the 20 units per acre, which is *less* than options C&D at 25 units >>>>> per acre. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> These emails made the first go round in Mid October >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>> From: *Robert Ahlert* <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: Thu, Oct 12, 2023 at 11:48 AM >>>>> Subject: Cold Brook Crossing >>>>> To: LincolnHCA <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi - >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As a reminder, Cold Brook is documented at 20 units per acres (101 / >>>>> 5.05 acres). See yellow highlight. Also note that septic area has very >>>>> much been minimized (red circles) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://sudbury.ma.us/pcd/wp-content/uploads/sites/326/2020/05/Cold-Brook-Crossing-Attachment-M-Site-Plan-March-2020.pdf?version=b0d9838a9aaeb12612c9c1a52890ee75 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Robert Ahlert* | *781.738.1069* | [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>>> Browse the archives at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>> >>>> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >> Browse the archives at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> >>
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