Thank you Paul. A very thoughtful, clear response that, for me, puts these very difficult issues in perspective.
Joan On Mon, Dec 2, 2024, 12:46 PM Paul Shorb <[email protected]> wrote: > Rosa - > One can't deny the fact that sometimes, anger at Israel seems to > trigger/release/self-justify hate crimes against Jews in the United States. > Similarly, hate crimes against Muslims soared after 9/11 > <https://naacp.org/resources/hate-crimes-against-muslims>; > African-Americans were lynched in New York City riots of 1863 > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_draft_riots> by people > opposed to the Civil War draft; etc. All of these actions targeting > innocent people based on race or religion obviously are terrible. > > However, that real-life risk isn't sufficient reason to censor good-faith > criticism of Israel for actions that arguably also are terrible - and at a > scale *at least thousands of times as large* as the increase in hate > crimes in the U.S. that might result. Especially when American taxpayer > dollars are supporting those actions, American citizens have not only a > right, but also a moral duty, to speak out against something they believe > is unjustly causing massive suffering in Gaza. > > Of course in doing so such critics should clearly focus their criticism on > the morally responsible decision makers (e.g., Netanyahu, American > politicians who support his policies, etc.), not Jewish people generally. > > - Paul Shorb > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 11:32 PM Rosa Elena <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> The description of the event (in the pdf attached to the original email >> and copied below for context) is pretty one-sided and *not* conducive to >> “thoughtful discussion” with multiple perspectives. Honestly, I am shocked >> Bemis Hall would host an event where the description has such strong >> inflammatory language, which could be construed as an attack on a specific >> population, of which we have citizens living in Lincoln. >> >> From the event description: >> >> “The Gaza genocide that began over a year ago has morphed into Israel’s >> three-front strategy to expand its borders and replace non-Jews living in >> Gaza, Lebanon, and the West Bank with an army, citizens militia, and Jewish >> settlements. Based on past, aggressively pro-Zionist policies, an incoming >> Trump administration appears ready to confirm Israel as a Jewish >> supremacist/apartheid state, and to further subjugate or eliminate non-Jews >> living in a Greater Israel. In calling for an end to Israeli apartheid and >> for a shared homeland for all, we join the struggle against the rise of >> authoritarianism in Europe, the Global South, and the United States. >> Zionism today, as ideology, theology and political project, has emerged as >> an expression of neocolonialism, Christian nationalism, and fascism.” >> >> On Thu, Nov 28, 2024 at 12:33 PM Annamaria San Antonio < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Agreed. Thank you, Sara !!! >>> I did not see this at all as propaganda and very much appreciated >>> hearing about an event with thoughtful discussion. Dangerous ? Perhaps I >>> did not read through but I did not see "false claims of genocide and >>> apartheid". >>> >>> Peace >>> ~Jai . >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 4:38 PM Sara Mattes <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I would urge all to listen/attend before passing judgement. >>>> We have few opportunities to hear rom and question directly such >>>> individuals with direct experience. >>>> >>>> Perhaps those objecting are familiar with the speakers and would like >>>> to share their experiences so that others might know what to expect? >>>> >>>> Let’s keep an open mind and allow others to judge for themselves. >>>> >>>> Namaste, >>>> Sara >>>> >>>> On Nov 27, 2024, at 12:22 PM, Jonathan Sheffi <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Amen, Forest. Ideological diversity is well and good, but let's please >>>> keep LT apolitical and free from this sort of low-grade propaganda. >>>> ᐧ >>>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 11:47 AM Forest Brown <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I appreciate your wanting dialogue on this issue, but advertising >>>>> speakers who are sharing false claims of genocide and apartheid is >>>>> dangerous and this isn’t the platform for that. >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 27, 2024, at 9:07 AM, Stephen R. Low < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Steve Low >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* Stephen R. Low <[email protected]> >>>>> *Sent:* November 27, 2024 9:07 AM >>>>> *Subject:* Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and >>>>> Saturday, Dec 7 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Palestinians, Israeli Jews, and those of us who care about them have >>>>> never faced challenges greater than today’s.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Contributing to this mess has been the Biden administration’s Holy >>>>> Land policies, which have been—shall I be polite and say, “awkward?”* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Now, we await a Trump administration, whose 2016–2020 Israel policies >>>>> were so ill-considered and unbalanced, that many believe they helped to >>>>> incite Hamas’s murderous attack on October 7, 2023.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *These “realities” pose major challenges for all of us seeking peace, >>>>> equality, and justice in the Holy Land.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Rather than wring our hands in despair, the GRALTA Foundation has >>>>> organized two events to help us shape constructive, outside-the-box >>>>> thinking about how to refine the American people’s understanding of the >>>>> Holy Land Problem and how to advocate for new U.S. Mideast policies that >>>>> will improve conditions and achieve security for all who live there.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Here are two (free) opportunities to hear two internationally-known >>>>> speakers—two experts on the Holy Land’s human rights problem—who can help >>>>> us to answer the question, “Where can we go from here?* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Friday, Dec. 6 @ 7:30 PMCommunity Church of Boston565 Boylston St., >>>>> Boston >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/565+Boylston+St.,+Boston?entry=gmail&source=g>* >>>>> >>>>> *accessible via* >>>>> * the T, between Dartmouth & Clarendon ordiscount vouchers available >>>>> for Back Bay Parking Garage, 199 Clarendon Street >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/199+Clarendon+Street?entry=gmail&source=g>.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Saturday, Dec. 7 @ 2:00 PM* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Bemis Hall 15 Bedford Rd., Lincoln, MA >>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/15+Bedford+Rd.,+Lincoln,+MA?entry=gmail&source=g>* >>>>> >>>>> *park across the street at the “Stone Church”* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Please join us for one of these events.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Our speakers:* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <image002.jpg> >>>>> *Mazin Qumsiyeh **Human Rights Activist, Professor**, Bethlehem & >>>>> Birzeit Universities* >>>>> >>>>> Prof. Qumsiyeh was born and raised in Beit Sahour on the outskirts of >>>>> Bethlehem. His evolving world views have been shaped by living under >>>>> Israeli occupation, the education he received at universities in the >>>>> Middle >>>>> East and the U.S., and on years of extensive travel throughout the world. >>>>> After obtaining a doctorate in Zoology and Genetics from Texas Tech, Mazin >>>>> trained at the St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital and taught at the >>>>> University of Tennessee, Duke, and then at Yale. He is author of 190 >>>>> scientific papers, hundreds of articles, and several books on topics >>>>> ranging from cultural heritage to human rights to biodiversity >>>>> conservation >>>>> to cancer. >>>>> >>>>> After returning to Palestine in 2008, Mazin and his wife Jessie Chang >>>>> founded and run (as volunteers) the Palestine Institute for Biodiversity & >>>>> Sustainability and the Palestine Museum of Natural History—both situated >>>>> on >>>>> the Bethlehem University campus. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <image004.jpg> >>>>> *Mark Braverman **Executive Director, **Kairos, USA* >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Mark Braverman is a retired clinical psychologist and trauma >>>>> consultant. Raised in a traditional Jewish family, he was steeped in >>>>> Jewish >>>>> religious observance, Bible study, the Hebrew language, and the Zionist >>>>> narrative. Confronted by the reality of ethnic cleansing and ongoing >>>>> colonial settlement of Palestine, Mark has devoted himself since 2006 to >>>>> working for a future of dignity and peace for all the people living >>>>> between >>>>> the River and the Sea. >>>>> >>>>> Mark has been closely involved in the international church movement >>>>> for Palestinian rights. He spoke at the launch of the Kairos Palestine >>>>> document in Bethlehem in 2009 and served on the Palestine Ecumenical Forum >>>>> of the World Council of Churches. He is the author of two books and >>>>> numerous journal articles and book chapters on the Kairos movement, >>>>> ecumenism, post-holocaust theology, Jewish and Christian Zionism, and >>>>> Christian-Jewish relations. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Steve Low >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <002 v-1 Qumsiyeh-Braverman Poster.pdf> >>>>> -- >>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>>> Browse the archives at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>>> Browse the archives at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>> >>>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >>> Browse the archives at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >>> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to [email protected]. >> Browse the archives at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> >> -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to [email protected]. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/ > . > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. > >
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