Has anyone else struck this problem:

I am having a problem getting my pdf script to compile because of the use of
the "�" sign to indicate the end of a lingo script line. I have removed the
character in other scripts(direct email, drag'n drop) with success but in
this case the the pdf open string is longer than 256 characters and returns
an "operend espected" error when I try this. It seems like an
incompatibility with Dir 8.5 because I did't have this problem in ver 8.0!


Mark Jenkinson
Multimedia Project Officer
Kangan Batman Institute
Learning Research & Design
44 Buckley St, Essendon
Private Bag 299
Somerton VIC 3062
Telephone 03 9254 3073
Facsimile  03 9375 2726


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   1. RE: Beatnik Xtra (James Tu)
   2. ogg vorbis xtra ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
   3. chartonum 0? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
   4. speaking of open source: is shockwave.com dying?
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   5. RE: Beatnik Xtra (Richard Turner-Jones)
   6. Re: creating a file with filextra3? (Andreas Gaunitz P11)
   7. Re: Filename of member (Is:leniency with global properties) (Brennan)
   8. Re: chartonum 0? (Fumio Nonaka)
   9. Re: chartonum 0? (Jakob Hede Madsen)
  10. Re: chartonum 0? (Jakob Hede Madsen)

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 01:35:31 -0800
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: James Tu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: <lingo-l> Beatnik Xtra
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks Richard.  That's pretty helpful.  If you find the Xtra, please 
post!  :^)



At 03:44 PM 1/19/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi James,
>
>It seems that Beatnik (formerly Headspace) are focusing on
>wireless/mobile/handheld apps and technology, which is a shame as there
>Audio solution was (and still is ) miles ahead of the competition.
>
>Try http://www.sonify.org/index.html for information, tools, and a
>petition to make Beatnik Open-source.
>
>Hope that helps, as far as the tools go, I'm still trying to find
>mention of where to get them now.
>
>Richard
>
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>Subject: <lingo-l> Beatnik Xtra
>
>
>I can't seem to find a place to download...Beatnik's site said they no
>longer support it.  Just a few days ago I was able to find at least
>Beatnik
>Pro on their website...
>
>Does anyone know what the story is?
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Hey - just poking at directordev.com and found it  - neat!

Thanks guys.


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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 02:45:04 -0600 (CST)
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Subject: <lingo-l> chartonum 0?
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What's the ascii equivalent of chartonum = 0?


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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 03:41:14 -0600 (CST)
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Subject: <lingo-l> speaking of open source: is shockwave.com dying?
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No chance of the creativity xtras becoming open to developers, eh?


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Message: 5
From: "Richard Turner-Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: <lingo-l> Beatnik Xtra
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:20:04 +1000
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Which Xtra are you after, the Lite or Pro version? I'm not sure what
happens with the Pro version as far as purchasing goes. Maybe something
will come of the Sonify site.

I have the Lite version, but I'm not sure of the rules on posting it (or
it's location). 
It came on one of the Director install CD's (Eight I think, may be
wrong, I'll have to look at it)

Richard
 

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Subject: RE: <lingo-l> Beatnik Xtra


Thanks Richard.  That's pretty helpful.  If you find the Xtra, please 
post!  :^)



At 03:44 PM 1/19/2002 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi James,
>
>It seems that Beatnik (formerly Headspace) are focusing on 
>wireless/mobile/handheld apps and technology, which is a shame as there

>Audio solution was (and still is ) miles ahead of the competition.
>
>Try http://www.sonify.org/index.html for information, tools, and a 
>petition to make Beatnik Open-source.
>
>Hope that helps, as far as the tools go, I'm still trying to find 
>mention of where to get them now.
>
>Richard
>
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>Subject: <lingo-l> Beatnik Xtra
>
>
>I can't seem to find a place to download...Beatnik's site said they no 
>longer support it.  Just a few days ago I was able to find at least 
>Beatnik Pro on their website...
>
>Does anyone know what the story is?
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:22:59 +0100
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From: Andreas Gaunitz P11 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: <lingo-l> creating a file with filextra3?
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Kendall and Grimmwerks,

Thank you both for your valueable input according to file formats, midi and
QT!

-A.


>>  Hmm...no, but isn't there a site (something like whatis.org) that tells
>>  all the specs of each type of file?
>
>www.wotsit.org
>
>Invaluable site..


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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:18:34 +0100
From: Brennan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: <lingo-l> Filename of member (Is:leniency with global
properties)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I would have responded sooner, but I couldn't see my computer for about
three hours. 

Then I realised someone had moved my chair and I was actually sitting on the
floor looking at the table legs. Doh!

"Bruce Epstein - Zeus Productions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I quote an esteemed colleague talking about XML parsing:
> 
> "Be strict in what you send, lenient in what you accept.  There's a very
> large chunk of the XML community that thinks their software has done
> its job as soon as it rejects a document for being non-conformant.  If
> networks were built that way, we'd still be talking with tin cans and
> string."
> 
> Applying this to Lingo:
> 
> 1. I will strictly write solid code
> 2. I will tolerate poorly behaved code as best I can (see number 1).
> 
> Applying this to the argument at hand, I am lenient enough to accept 
> your strict interpretation. ;)

Well, true enough, strictness might be too much to expect from others, but
the problem with 'looseness' is that everybody has a different idea of what
it is.

I think Jakob's point is well made, but the really important thing is not to
be accountable when someone says "My code broke and we lost the
gig/contract/bonus because your code forgot to reset the itemDelimiter".

Also, if you're operating on a 'black box' prinicple, creating a routine (or
if you're an OOP type, writing a method) which is going to be called from
inside someone else's code which may or may not be using the itemDelimiter
or the floatPrecision or whatever, don't you have some kind of
responsibility to save and restore? 

If not, shouldn't you document that the routine/method has side effects?

on brennanscode

  the itemDelimiter = ":"
  out = ""
  str = "Macintosh HD:Documents:Porn:GoatLover.jpg"
  c = str.item.count
  
  repeat with n = 1 to c
    j = jakobsCode(str, n)
    out = j.item[n]
  end repeat

end

-Brennan

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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:33:28 +0900
From: Fumio Nonaka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: <lingo-l> chartonum 0?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is this what you are looking for?

put numToChar(0)
-- ""
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> 
> What's the ascii equivalent of chartonum = 0?

Good luck,

Fumio Nonaka
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:44:52 +0100
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: Jakob Hede Madsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: <lingo-l> chartonum 0?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

At 2:45 -0600 19/01/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>What's the ascii equivalent of chartonum = 0?

Lingo interprets ascii 0 as an "End Of String" flag.

You can play with that, like:

on test
   tString = "End Of String"
   put 1, tString
   tZero = numToChar(0)
   put tZero into char 7 of tString
   put 2, tString
   tString2 = ""
   repeat while true
     tChar = tString.char[1]
     delete tString.char[1]
     if tChar = EMPTY then exit repeat
     if tChar = tZero then tChar = SPACE
     tString2 = tString2 & tChar
   end repeat
   put 3, tString2
end

-- Welcome to Director --
test
-- 1 "End Of String"
-- 2 "End Of"
-- 3 "End Of String"

Jakob

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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 12:44:52 +0100
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: Jakob Hede Madsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: <lingo-l> chartonum 0?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

At 2:45 -0600 19/01/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>What's the ascii equivalent of chartonum = 0?

Lingo interprets ascii 0 as an "End Of String" flag.

You can play with that, like:

on test
   tString = "End Of String"
   put 1, tString
   tZero = numToChar(0)
   put tZero into char 7 of tString
   put 2, tString
   tString2 = ""
   repeat while true
     tChar = tString.char[1]
     delete tString.char[1]
     if tChar = EMPTY then exit repeat
     if tChar = tZero then tChar = SPACE
     tString2 = tString2 & tChar
   end repeat
   put 3, tString2
end

-- Welcome to Director --
test
-- 1 "End Of String"
-- 2 "End Of"
-- 3 "End Of String"

Jakob


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