i just wanted to say that it has been very instructive following this thread 
(as have many others).
i hope that who even sarcastically commented that they no longer wanted to 
participate in the list (presumably because the topic was to trivial) that 
there are, as a maths professor once remarked to me, no stupid questions, 
only stupid answers.
cheers chaps

ray barker

ps wazzup giles
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