Unless I'm reading it wrong, doesn't that mean however that anybody who is not a Telstra customer can't use the hotspots provided by the dual-WiFi APs?
That's not really that much of a public WiFi infrastructure to my mind? On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 10:11 AM, Jim Birch <[email protected]> wrote: > Fon or Fon-like systems have a number of significant advantages, which > actually seem close to my ideal of how shared wifi would work. > > Any enabled router (with suitable software) can join the network and become > a provider. This could be an existing business, a home router, or a router > set up specifically for public service. Firewalling rules could block the > guest users from accessing local resources. This means, for example, that > anyone visiting - or indeed walking past - your house or business could use > your wifi without blowing your usage out. Contention rules could be > applied to give better QoS to actual in-house users and applications, if > this is a problem. > > Usage is charged back to the users account at normal isp rates, > maybe/ideally with a small premium. It does not have to be given away, > though it could be if this suits the router owner. This means that the > usage does not have to be gated or rate limited, if you have an ID you are > seamlessly negotiated into the network. > > The router owner can be paid a small percentage on the traffic value for > providing the service. I'm not sure if the Telstra version does this. > This would allow the network to grow where it is profitable. > > While the phone companies obviously would prefer to charge people mobile > data rates than isp data rates, this has the public advantage of taking > demand off the phone network and spectrum and putting the traffic in local > wifi cells. This reduces the need for expensive and contentious phone > towers. > > I haven't looked at this much, but it appears that Fon is heading for a > first coloniser advantage. Telstra have signed a deal with Fon which might > give Australian exclusivity so lock out iinet, etc. The Telstra/Fon system > will "charge back" to the users home Internet account. It also has the > potential of routing "mobile" phone like calls through the internet which > is I think what iinet were looking at. Not sure if the Telstra > implementation will block or degrade Skype like services. The system need > a reliable ID and charging system. It would be great to see some > interoperability enforced. With some guaranteed openness and defenses > against gouging the whole thing could provide a great self-funding and > efficient public good. > > Jim > > > > > > > > > On 25 September 2014 09:40, Dr Bob Jansen <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Tom, > > > > Having just returned from Seoul, I am all in favour of public wifi. In > > Seoul, every cafe/restaurant/etc provides free wifi and this enables me > to > > roam around Seoul and receive calls on Skype or the very successful > > Kakaotalk system the Koreans love-all at no cost and do all my emails and > > other web stuff. Yes, for most wifi you need a password but after a few > > days you've got all the ones in your area and you're away. Also central > > Seoul has a free gov provided wifi network which works very well. > > > > So I agree, public wifi is not new but by heck it is useful and saves you > > from having to get a prepaid sim for which calls are expensive (I have > one > > of those as well but find most of my communications is via Wifi). > > > > Dr Bob Jansen > > Turtle Lane Studios > > PO Box 26 Erskineville NSW 2043 Australia > > Ph (Australia): +61 414 297 448 > > Ph (Korea): +82 10 4494 0328 > > Skype: bobjtls > > KakaoTalk: bobjtls > > http://www.turtlelane.com.au > > > > > > > On 25 Sep 2014, at 09:21, Tom Worthington <[email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> On 24/09/14 07:24, Karl Auer wrote: > > >> ... Not worthy of the same rights > > >> and freedoms that we would demand for ourselves? ... > > > > > > No, my point was that the ACT Government's public WiFi project is just > a > > > PR exercise, not a serious communications project. There is no point > > > worrying about the details, as hardly anyone will use it and it will > not > > > last long. > > > > > > The provision of WiFi in public places in cities is not a new idea, not > > > innovative and the sooner the ACT project is scrapped the better. I > > > suggest worrying about how schemes which are likely to be more widely > > > deployed at be more long term. 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