On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 10:52, Phil Payne wrote:
> > Your I/O bus is typically PCI however so you are limited to about
> > 100Mbytes/second I/O throughput in the real world.
>
> I would regard 100Mb/sec as a peak (instantaneous) transfer rate.  Throughput will 
>be only a
> fraction of that.  On some tests only a small fraction.

That really depends on the system. On an Athlon with 64bit PCI I can do
150Mbyte/second peak I/O , 120Mbyte/second sustained. Thats with about
$10,000 of loaner hard disks. The sustained disk read/write speed for a
single UDMA hard disk is about a magnitude lower.

> The functionality and the performance are indeed there, but they are of no benefit 
>to 99.999%
> of the chip's purchasers.  Making an issue out of it as a 'superiority' of that 
>platform
> distracts purchasers from price/benefit issues that are much more relveant to their
> environments, and does the industry as a whole a disservice.

Lets take a real world benchmark. On < $2000 of PC I can recompile the
entire Linux kernel in 3 minutes, and the entirity of XFree86 in 30. I
can saturate multiple 100Mbit links with web traffic. I can encode video
in real time to mpeg and burn it to VideoCD as I go. I can render
1024x768 3D scenes with texture and lighting at 80frames/second.

All of those happen to be useful to me. I think you misunderstand some
of the nature of the commodity processors.

>> Performance measurement should be left to those who know what they're doing.  The 
>first step
> is to define terms of measurement, and these must be related to real world and real 
>user
> issues, so that the results are relevant to their audience.

Understand that the majority audience isn't interested in bit errors per
year, component failures per year, floor space per 100Mbyte/sec
throughput. They won't be until those features like the FPU become
economical using either hardware or software to drop into mainstream
cheap processor silicon.

Why is that relevant - because the computing mainstream press
understands the computing mainstream. They care about desktop
performance properties (latency over throughput, price/performance,
etc). Getting them to think in other terms is hard, especially when any
attempt to get public IBM comparisons that are third party verified is
hitting a wall of silence.

Alan

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