Hello (again) from Gregg C Levine Adam, folks, and especially you, Jim. I spent the better part of a session on IBM software, middle and other wise, trying to convince some 'droid from Tivoli of that fact. He was firmly convinced that the only purpose for z/VM was that it should be used to manage z/OS, that it did not matter that the real purpose for z/VM was to host, and work with Linux guests, and sometimes z/OS. He did agree that there was a definite purpose for the Linux guests, but that was it. The 'droid just did not want to listen to me. He even ignored me, after a while. Which I thought was rude. I did refrain from doing the rash things that came to mind. All of them. He just didn't care.
Jim, when your finished with LWE, can you remind those characters of this fact? Loudly even. Of course the one on Linux that came up here, about seventeen days earlier, the group there did agree with me, regarding the real purposes behind z/VM, and a bundle of Linux guests. In fact a few of their slides did indeed cover that fact. Even deliberately minimized the purposes behind z/OS. Oh, and here's a giggle, Everything was presented using Linux based tools. The software from the Evil Empire, was roosting on VMWare. And surprisingly enough, they even agreed with me, that something of a sort should be done regarding Tivoli. The representative from IBM Software, was there, and wasn't upset at me, just at Tivoli for inspiring my annoyance. He even agreed with his fellow staff, and me. (Which was a big relief, and topped a great day that day.) Did anyone on the list attend those meetings? David Chase was there at the NYC one, but they went everywhere. I also want to apologize for that slightly acerbic blurb on top. I'm normally not that rude, or even worse, insulting towards anyone who is considered to be an expert in their chosen field. But that guy brought out the moral indignation, and regular outrage in me. And afterwards I was convinced that he wasn't as much as an expert as I know all of you are. Oh, and it is considered rather late in this time-zone.......... Anyone who wishes to complain to me, please do so, but do not flood the list with your complaints. ------------------- Gregg C Levine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------------------------------------ "The Force will be with you...Always." Obi-Wan Kenobi "Use the Force, Luke."� Obi-Wan Kenobi > -----Original Message----- > From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Adam Thornton > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 12:46 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Backup of Virtual Linuxes [WAS: Re: Red Hat AS 3.0] > > On Thu, 2004-07-29 at 18:59, Tom Shilson wrote: > > The server runs on VM. The > ^^^ > > server piece is frozen at some outdated release. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Yeah, that's pretty much to what I was referring. TSM would be a whole > lot more useful if there were a full-featured, up-to-date server for the > VM side of things. Contrary to Tivoli's belief, not *everyone* who > wants a mainframe TSM server has z/OS in their shop. > > Adam > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX- > 390 or visit > http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390
