At this time money is not the issue for us (that of course could change in
an instant)

We already Mirror the volumes to our DR site for that purpose but also need
a solution that provide Point in Time recovery for Application data. So
we're interested a solution the will do that.  that works with our ATL.  we
use Tivoli on the z/OS now but from what I've read Tivoli and VM don't play
well.

I am not a Tape expert by any means but am trying to understand the
interactions better and to help recommend a solution.
Currently I know we use Veritas Netbackup on the AIX side of the house but
understand that does not talk to the ATL (please correct me if I'm wrong)

If at all possible I'd really like what some of you would do (if money was
not a concern) and you needed to be able to.
Backup/Restore an Linux Image
Backup/Restore an Application with all it's configs
Backup/Restore application data

Taking advantage of the ATL if possible
leveraging the VM and z/OS as much as possible.

See I'm not asking for allot now am I  ;-)

TIA for all you help and suggestions


William 'Doug' Carroll
Mainframe Systems Engineer II
Global Technology Infrastructure
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On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 09:26:30AM -0400, Doug Carroll wrote:
> Very interested in something similar as well.
> We need to be able to Backup at the System level as well as perform
> individual file restores of application data.
> Is there a package or several packages recommended by the group for this
> purpose?

Depends on what you want to spend, and whether you can fund hardware
upgrades. The big issue is tape drive access and management, and the
fact I mentioned in my earlier note -- *nothing* in the Linux world
uses IBM standard SL tapes, so you have to invent some new procedures
for vault management.

>From the open source world, Amanda (www.amanda.org) and Bacula
(www.bacula.org) are popular, reliable, and well-supported. Bacula is
relatively new on the scene, but looks to be a major functional
upgrade. Both support generic Unix/Linux and Windows clients anywhere
there's an IP network connection between client and server. Bacula's
Windows client is native; Amanda's Windows client requires Cygwin,
which is a bit more complex, but also offers additional useful
services. Amanda is included with most of the distributions, and
Bacula is appearing in the newer ones (available on Debian now, SuSE
soon, RH unknown).

Both support the NFS/DFSMS technique I describe in my paper. Both are
reliable and provide level 0 and incremental file backups.  You'll
still probably want to use some kind of image backup tool occasionally
just for speed reasons, but both products are "good
enough". Commercial support is available for both from a number of
sources (including us).

If you have money to spend, FDR and CA have Linux backup products,
but:

For the FDR product, you need a z/OS or OS/390 system.
The CA product is quite expensive, and is somewhat complicated to set
up.

I tend to point people at Amanda (and now Bacula -- as I get more
experience with it, I get more and more impressed with it). Bacula is
a viable TSM replacement at this point, and has none of the irritating
"features" of TSM.

-- db

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