I hope that any TCO analysis done today would take into account
environmental factors. Power, Cooling, Cabling, and Noise. The worst is the
friggin noise. I would think that these issues would have been part of Google's
TCO study, but I know they are not here because, besides our dandy z890, we
have a large farm made up 1U and 2U servers (The Bain of modern Datacenters). I
call it the "bee-hive" and if our Occupational Heath and Safety division new
about this place they would declare it an "unsafe work environment". I could
not imagine the enviromental cost of having 100,000 indivdual servers. What a
nightmare, no matter how distributed the datacenters are. At Share 2006 in
Seattle I had the benifit of listening to the boys from Nation Wide. They did a
couple of great sessions and eluded to the envirnonmental cost savings they
where getting and how this became a selling feature to management before heading
towared linux in the virtual envrionment. It was excellent.
Of course there is a good part to the 100,000 server model. Jobs. Lots and
Lots of Jobs. And I am not talkin jobs just at your company either. I am talkin
jobs at your local Coal or Nuclear power plant.
Tyler Koyl
Saskatchewan Wheat Pool
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A long time ago I read that they did TCO studies, and found it less costly to
buy lots of low cost hardware over buying fewer high cost systems.
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> Does that remind anyone of the descriptions of the humongous vaccuum tube
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> > Does anyone know how many of what class of servers are being used? Also,
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> I remember hearing that there are thousands (25k?) in the various computer
> rooms, each one being a special design commodity item. Technicians walk
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does naybody know if Google's qualified Planners are looking at the
TCO (total cost of ownership) to justify 100k servers versus
SUN/AIX/zOS/zVM solutions?
or is it philosophical and their investors/board of directors want to
show innovation as a way to increase capitalization?
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