Argh.. Did I start this one :)
I wasn't thinking of deep dive into device drivers... But like an intro
to here's your z specific stuff in your linux box. Might appeal to both
an experienced linux admin whos new to Z and VM'er whos new to linux.
Things like
s390-tools package stuff.. What do lsqeth, lsdasd, lscss ...etc
show you. What is chccwdev,zipl,dasdfmt,fdasd, etc. for? Where do I
find my network card parameters? Where do I find out what kind of
network card it is? How do I issue CP commands from Linux.. Maybe a
little on cmsfs. Where's my swap - is it on vdisk - how can I tell?
What kernel parms are important to z. That kinda stuff..
Would that be useful to folks?
Marcy Cortes
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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
David Boyes
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:37 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] Unkown multicast packets with unknown mac
address
> >>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 2:26 PM, in message
>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> David
> Boyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -snip-
> > Given that SHARE doesn't seem to want this content
> Eh? I never said that. I said the SHARE _attendees_ don't seem to
want
> content like this. When we put on sessions of this level, we get
around 3
> or 5 people to show up.
I think that's a chicken/egg problem. With low attendance, SHARE tends
to be fairly hostile to scheduling such sessions, as you already
commented.
If such sessions are *not* scheduled (and seen to be scheduled/featured
in the larger world that is not part of the normal SHARE crowd), then
the attendees who would find those sessions interesting/useful don't
bother to attend SHARE at all because it offers them no benefit.
Personally, looking over the last 5 SHARE agendas showed a total of 25
sessions that would have drawn my interest (out of thousands), averaging
about 5 sessions per meeting. 5 sessions per meeting does not a
compelling cost case make for something as expensive as SHARE usually
is. Others here at SNA do find it interesting and useful, but the
current agenda doesn't attract people like me, which is what you need to
get those numbers up for deep-dive sessions, and to get enough buzz to
start attracting other people.
You're also fighting the established large Unix systems conferences such
as LISA and Usenix that currently draw 3-5K attendees now. They already
DO offer those kind of sessions for Unix and Linux folks (taught by
Linus or Alan or someone of that caliber), and they get attendance of
75-100 or more *because those sessions are there*. SHARE has tried to
compete with the mainstream Unix conferences before, and failed
miserably. SHARE does not have the mindshare or the budget to play in
that league any more, even in the AIX world with IBM backing.
If we want that level of detail content in a mainframe context, IMHO,
it's time to create something other than SHARE to deliver it. SHARE has
too much baggage to carry to be agile enough to grab this market, and
IMHO, it'd be better for both organizations to divide the mainframe
environment into z/OS and Linux/VM and let the two do what they do best
separately.
SHARE does a premier job on the z/OS side, no doubt or argument. I don't
see it as the best place to promote VM and Linux development long term.
I don't see how SHARE can react fast enough to survive if it tries to be
everything to everybody, and having VM and Linux be a poor stepchild
chained to all that baggage is a sad thing.
I guess we'll probably agree to disagree here. Still, here's a view from
a different point.
-- db
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