Yes you are right, it's all about negotiating with the vendor. And as you say also , the size can make a big difference.
Cordialement / Vriendelijke Groeten / Best Regards / Med Vänliga Hälsningar Tore Agblad Volvo Information Technology Infrastructure Mainframe Design & Development SE-405 08, Gothenburg Sweden E-mail: [email protected] http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/ ________________________________________ From: Linux on 390 Port [[email protected]] On Behalf Of William D Carroll [[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 16:33 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: FW: Rules of Thumb Again ELA, that's licensing per core depending on your ELA can change. again, depending on company and size. WAS for us was a moot point as was Oracle, DB2 etc.. no software advantage just stating it's not a blanket thing William 'Doug' Carroll Mainframe Systems Eng Sr I Global Technology Infrastructure -----Original Message----- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Agblad Tore Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 10:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: FW: Rules of Thumb Thank's, Yes they know, and are involved. The win is due to pricing often is per CPU/Core. Both SLES and WAS are licensed per CPU/core. We need one license per IFL and they also need one license per cpu/core in blades. There are at least two cpus in each nowadays, so 200 servers usually means about 400 licenses compared to one or two for one or two IFLs:s. The pricetag differs yes, but far from that much. ___________________________________________ Tore Agblad Volvo Information Technology Infrastructure Mainframe Design & Development, Linux servers Dept 4352 DA1S SE-405 08, Gothenburg Sweden Telephone: +46-31-3233569 E-mail: [email protected] http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/ -----Original Message----- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of William D Carroll Sent: den 22 juni 2009 15:42 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: FW: Rules of Thumb FYI Your company ELAs may have a impact on this so be aware. Be sure you get you Licensing folks involved as they know the ELA's better than anyone. In our case Software cost became a moot point due to ELA's and it became a HW battle. The size of your company and how it's ELA's are structured could impact this tremendously. William 'Doug' Carroll Mainframe Systems Eng Sr I Global Technology Infrastructure ECS Core Services z/Software Group / Emerging Technologies -----Original Message----- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Agblad Tore Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 4:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: FW: Rules of Thumb You can not just take the isolated cpu-hw-cost and compare. Also include in HWcost all maint with HW, like connecting-power-cables-boxes and so on. With many blades you have to keep all these switches and cables in order. Just the simple case install a new server includes bying the HW, carry it into the server hall (you will need authorithy which often means you have to wait for the guy with the 'key') connect them (is there enough power in you diesel-backup?) add cables to a switch (which switch and who documents this) and the installing. There is some manhour here. By now you probably also have a different box, not the same as the existing ones, and you can not guarante exact same hw, maybe different drivers for new bios/network/disks/SCSI adapters...... Some customers requires exactly same setup for test-QA-prod, that may now be hard to get. Include all that and: When you have 200 Linux servers, do the calculation, and you will se that the z alternative will have about the same hw-cost as x86 blades. If you also include the license costs, the z maybe comes out as the most cost-effective one. Cordialement / Vriendelijke Groeten / Best Regards / Med Vänliga Hälsningar Tore Agblad Volvo Information Technology Infrastructure Mainframe Design & Development SE-405 08, Gothenburg Sweden E-mail: [email protected] http://www.volvo.com/volvoit/global/en-gb/ ________________________________________ From: Linux on 390 Port [[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ivan Warren [[email protected]] Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 01:39 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: FW: Rules of Thumb > In my Linux Installation Planning talks, I address this briefly. Until such > time as IFL processors cost the same as Intel processors, i.e. never, there > will always be some point along the spectrum of workload profiles where it > makes more sense to run a given application on midrange hardware and not the > mainframe. With the introduction of the z10, that point has moved > considerably, in favor of the mainframe. There is still going to be a > substantial grey area before that point, which is why each case needs to be > examined individually to make the correct decision. > > Amen ! --Ivan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For LINUX-390 subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO LINUX-390 or visit http://www.marist.edu/htbin/wlvindex?LINUX-390 This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. 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