Dear David,
Still, you gotta love Tim Sipples proposing to run Oracle under
Windows on a Mantissa Corporation z86VM X86 emulator on a current VM.
WoW.
Do I want to go out drinking with Tim? .. Errrr... Imagine what might
happen?
Regards,
Flint
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017, David Boyes wrote:
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 19:54:44 +0000
From: David Boyes <dbo...@sinenomine.net>
Reply-To: Linux on 390 Port <LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU>
To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Oracle on VM
I gotta say that the option Tim Sipples, proposed of running Oracle in a=20
zOS guest under VM is a bit more practical than running Oracle 7, I just=20
find it fascinating that Oracle appears to have abandoned VM, but not MVS.
Oracle had (and I suppose, still have) some large customers on z/OS, and that's DB/2's
sweet spot. Being able to stick it to their biggest competitor is always a plus, and the
enterprise agreements that were in place at the time with a lot of those customers for
all platforms made Oracle much more attractive back then. If the OpenSolaris thing had
worked out, we'd be in a very different place today. DB/2 VM's "poor stepchild"
status really made it viable only as a VSAM replacement when IBM took CMS VSAM support
out behind the barn, at least for the CMS compilers that still existed at the time.
Tim's idea would be useful if z/OSe was still actively marketed by IBM -- this was really
exactly the kind of thing it was meant to do. I don't think IBM ever really got that
message across to the z/OS customer base, though -- that was back in the "LPAR uber
Alles" for z/OS virtualization days, and IBM (with some help) has bought a clue on
VM and running production guest operating systems since then.
A full z/OS license at current prices just for creating appliances would be difficult to
make work in a cost-effective manner, even if you stuck to IBM-only software. There's a
lot of moving parts, and Oracle prices on z/OS reflect the "normal" z/OS
marketplace pricing levels. It wouldn't be hard to do (would probably take us a couple
weeks to do it), but it would be tough to make it worth someone's while to create and
support it with no contractual backing from Oracle or IBM.
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