Linux-Advocacy Digest #667, Volume #25 Fri, 17 Mar 00 12:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re:Darwin or Linux
(JEDIDIAH)
Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re:Darwin or Linux
(JEDIDIAH)
Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re:Darwin or Linux
(JEDIDIAH)
Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re:Darwin or Linux
(John Jensen)
Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re: Darwin or Linux
(JEDIDIAH)
Re: Windows Users (not propagandists) Are Our Friends (was: My Windows 2000
experience (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Linux Virus Info Enclosed (Craig Kelley)
Re: My Windows 2000 experience (JEDIDIAH)
Offtopic (Ilya Grishashvili)
Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re:Darwin or Linux
(Joe Ragosta)
Re: Kernels (Was: Re: BSD & Linux) (Peter da Silva)
Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re: Darwin or Linux
(Maury Markowitz)
Re: A Linux server atop Mach? (J. B. Moreno)
Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re: Darwin or Linux
(J. B. Moreno)
Re: Linux Sucks************************* ([EMAIL PROTECTED],net)
Iridium Tech Support (Was Re: . . . Itanium . .. ("2 + 2")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re:Darwin or
Linux
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:01:17 GMT
On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:07:02 -0800, Aaron Melgares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>(JEDIDIAH) wrote:
>
>> Ultimately, the most sensible course of action is to
>> move the market away from vendorlock that forces those
>> of us that would like to have reasonable free will in
>> our buying choices to essentially 'steal' someone else's
>> patented work without their permission.
>
>For God's sake, this is the most incoherent doubletalk I've seen on
>Usenet in ages. I'm nominating you for this years' "OpenFreeSourceLinux
>GreedyCorporateBastardsKilledMyDog Award"
>
>Yeah, Linux users are very oppressed not being able to watch movie
>trailers and other corporate commercials on their computers. What a
>crock...
No, we object to being LOCKED OUT OF CONTENT being distributed
on a presumably open system. What apple is doing is tantamount
to encouraging content providers to distribute their 'print'
media in msword format rather than html.
Real Audio is really no better but they at least are widening
the availability of their decoders.
RMS has the right idea. Shun Apple.
--
So long as Apple users Quicktime to effectively |||
make web based videoa 'Windows only' Club for x86, / | \
Apple is no less monpolistic than Microsoft.
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re:Darwin or
Linux
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:06:32 GMT
On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:58:00 GMT, Sal Denaro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 23:16:28 GMT, JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Oh how assinine. We're not talking about just another open standard
>> in this case. That is what Motif is, and what OpenStep is. THAT is
>> why it is reasonable to expect a few college kids to get together
>> and clone the things.
>>
>> Apple is shoving content down our throats that some of us can't
>> decode and won't bother to provide the tools or the information
>> to decode that information.
>
>Did you read Mike's post? _he_ wrote a clone of QT for Unix with three
>other programmers using information published by Apple. It took him
He did NOT write a complete replacement for Quicktime in 1.5
weeks. You are a sleazy piece of shit for trying to claim he
did. The 'wrapper' bit of Quicktime has been accessable for
years. NOONE is complaining about that bit.
>1.5 man weeks to write a file type decoder. That's peanuts when compared
>to the effort put into Samba or LessTif.
>
>I think it pretty much goes to show that it can be done.
>
>> Apple is merely acting the part of monopolist and you are
>> just providing weak excuses for them.
>
>Seeing that
>
>1) QuickTime is a published spec
So, where do I get this published copy of the sorenson Codec?
Please provide a specific url rather than sleazy indirection.
[deletia]
--
So long as Apple users Quicktime to effectively |||
make web based videoa 'Windows only' Club for x86, / | \
Apple is no less monpolistic than Microsoft.
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re:Darwin or
Linux
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:12:04 GMT
On 17 Mar 2000 01:35:27 GMT, Koan Kid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.sys.mac.advocacy JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake thusly:
>> On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 16:17:14 -0600, mr_organic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>>Nope -- I feel the same way. The Lesstif project is a great example; rather
>>>than bitch and moan that Motif was proprietary (or *in addition to* bitching
>>>and moaning that Motif was proprietary), these guys went off and knocked off
>>>a great clone of the system. Now Lesstif is probably installed on more
>
>> Oh how assinine. We're not talking about just another open standard
>> in this case. That is what Motif is, and what OpenStep is. THAT is
>> why it is reasonable to expect a few college kids to get together
>> and clone the things.
>
>> Apple is shoving content down our throats that some of us can't
>> decode and won't bother to provide the tools or the information
>> to decode that information.
>
>The point you're missing is that it may not be Apple's to provide. (I'm
Actually they do infact 'own' control of the codec.
[deletia]
>>>Open Source software can't just be about the easy stuff -- we have to buckle
>>>down and tackle the really hard projects to make it work.
>
>> Ultimately, the most sensible course of action is to
>> move the market away from vendorlock that forces those
>> of us that would like to have reasonable free will in
>> our buying choices to essentially 'steal' someone else's
>> patented work without their permission.
>
>I agree that moving away from "vendorlock," as you put it, is probably a
>good thing and I think that the free software and open source movements
>a doing a pretty goo job of demonstrating the advantages of that model.
>Where we seem to disagree, however, is in the notion that freedom of
>choice is dependent on "freedom of source." Even if the protocol or
This has nothing to do with freedom of source today. It has to
do with freedom to access one's encapsulated information. That
is considerably different and a morally distinct thing from
having access to the source to one's applications.
>"standard" in question is proprietary, you still have the freedom not to
>purchase or use it. In fact, if you feel strongly about it, you have
That is assinine.
No, I am not free to merely not use it.
I am free to 'do without', but that can hardly be considered
'liberty' in any real sense. This sort of 'freedom' is no less
'freedom' than beind 'free' to use WinDOS or 'do without'.
>the freedom to try and convince others to follow your lead. And they
>have the freedom to ignore you.
>
>> Apple is merely acting the part of monopolist and you are
>> just providing weak excuses for them.
>
>Of course they have a monopoly on their property. Why shouldn't they?
It's contrary to public policy and quite possibly a violation
of the Sherman Anti Trust act.
>If they spent the time and money to create it, they should have the
>final say in how they dispose of it. Wouldn't you want the same
>consideration?
I'm not a megalomaniac. If I invented something, the intent
would not to be to use it as a method of control. Sure, I
would prefer to get paid. However, I wouldn't use my own work
as a tool for exclusion.
They can provide access themselves or allow others to do it
for them under NDA. This isn't even a 'you must share the
source situation'.
--
So long as Apple users Quicktime to effectively |||
make web based videoa 'Windows only' Club for x86, / | \
Apple is no less monpolistic than Microsoft.
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re:Darwin or
Linux
Date: 17 Mar 2000 16:14:42 GMT
JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: On 17 Mar 2000 03:45:39 GMT, John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: >
: >: Mind you, noone is asking Apple to do anything that they haven't
: >: done for others and done so free of charge. Podlipec is more than
: >: willing to implement a codec under NDA, could he do so instead of
: >: just getting the runaround from Apple and Sorenson who perpetually
: >: pass the buck in this matter. [...]
: >
: >I'm not sure the merit of your request has any bearing. It may be that
: >input from these other platforms is simply not being entertained.
: You can ask Podlipec himself if you'd like. Being the maintainer
: of THE ubiquitous video player on Linux, his remarks on the matter
: are pretty definitive.
I think you are missing the thrust of my statement. You described a
"runaround" in codec licensing, and I'm saying such requests might
essentially be going to /dev/null.
John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re: Darwin or
Linux
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:15:27 GMT
On Fri, 17 Mar 2000 11:58:04 GMT, Sal Denaro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 18:58:29 GMT, JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>QT isn't a decoder. It isn't a program for playing movies. There is
>>
>> Yes it is actually. There's a lot of file type abstraction
>> cruft but the essential funcition of the thing, eventually,
>> is to implement codecs.
>
>And as Michael Paquette pointed out, those abstractions are documented
>in a $30 book.
So? If I need to deal with the 'wrapper' I can grab a 4 year
old copy of xanim source code. That's never been the issue
here. You're a sleaze and a liar if you try to claim it is.
>
>>>a lot more to it that that. Feel free to read Michael Paquette's post
>>>for a more in depth analysis of what is needed to play QT movies on
>>>Linux.
>>
>> When the codec is not being hoarded by two companies in each
>> other's pockets, I've always just been able to use Xanim.
>
>Huh? Apple and Sorenson are conspiring to prevent Linux users from
>palying movies? I think I missed that xfiles episode.
Not just linux, but Be, OS/2, Irix, HP/UX, Solaris, Irix.
We could add in Amiga and Atari users as well. Everyone
not a part of Bill's fiefdom is being excluded.
>
>> That fellow's quicktime project was/is redundant, especially
>> without any access to the more interesting codecs.
>
>Those CODECs do not belong to Apple. They belong to CinePak and
>Sorenson.
...and Sorenson has exclusively licenced them to apple.
As far as cinepak goes, cinepak is quite available and
has been for some time.
[deletia]
--
So long as Apple users Quicktime to effectively |||
make web based videoa 'Windows only' Club for x86, / | \
Apple is no less monpolistic than Microsoft.
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Windows Users (not propagandists) Are Our Friends (was: My Windows 2000
experience
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:17:53 GMT
On 17 Mar 2000 06:36:57 GMT, Mark S. Bilk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On 16 Mar 2000 14:10:15 GMT, Mark S. Bilk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>In article <1EUz4.2304$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>>Jim Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Edward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTW, XFree86 4.0 was released yesterday and does multi-monitor support
>>>>>>> or will spread a single desktop over several monitors.
>
>>>>Does it count if XFree86 4.0 hasn't been integrated into the distributions
>>>>yet?
>>>
>>>It only counts for people who are capable of downloading
>>>a file from the Web.
>>
>>That leaves out a lot of Windows users... <snicker>
>
>Jedi, nothing personal -- you post a lot of great stuff, but
>I think this is counterproductive. Lots of intelligent people
>use MS-Windows, either because they don't know about the
...and a lot of dolts do too.
This is an important point. Some fools think that WinDOS
is idiot proofed when it is infact not. Even when it is
running in an ideal condition, some users are left
confounded.
This is something important to consider rather than arrogantly
presuming that WinDOS has reached the ultimate state in user
friendliness.
[deletia]
This is why it is a GOOD thing that there are platforms that
have some diversity in user interfaces and people willing to
really experiment.
--
So long as Apple users Quicktime to effectively |||
make web based videoa 'Windows only' Club for x86, / | \
Apple is no less monpolistic than Microsoft.
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Virus Info Enclosed
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 17 Mar 2000 09:19:05 -0700
"Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Nico Coetzee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > tony roth wrote:
> >
> > How about a non-power user receiving a Word document infected with one of
> the
> > many Macro Virii via e-mail? Not all virii depend on power user access
> rights.
>
> But it still can't do any more damage than that user's rights allow.
Have you taken a look at the default user right's lately?
World write access to %SYSTEMROOT% isn't a very good thing...
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: My Windows 2000 experience
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:19:21 GMT
On 17 Mar 2000 14:35:01 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Are these extended desktop, i.e. completely variable or are they
>simply dual monitors
>showing the same thing?
You can set it up either way...
BTW, multiheaded X servers have always been able to display
multiple desktops.
>
>
>On Sun, 15 Mar 3900 17:24:26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 10:09:25 -0600, Robert MacGregor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> >> "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >>
>> >> > "Matt Gaia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[deletia]
>> >first Mac II's came off the line back in the mid 80's.
>> >
>>
>> Microsoft, the largest consumer software company in the world
>> took 11 years to catch up with Apple in this regard. A band of
>> volunteers took 2 years to catch up with M$. Plus, as the other
>> guy said, the limitation was in Xfree86, not Linux or Unix.
[deletia]
--
So long as Apple users Quicktime to effectively |||
make web based videoa 'Windows only' Club for x86, / | \
Apple is no less monpolistic than Microsoft.
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: Ilya Grishashvili <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Offtopic
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 08:30:33 -0800
Sorry, this msg probably should not be here...
Anyway, I want to get a reallly cooool T-shirt with Linux
symbolics (like Red-Hat or something...)
Is there any web where I can order it?
--
================================================
Ilya Grishashvili
Computer Systems Group
Ph.D. CS Department
Marlan & Rosemary Bourns College of Engineering
University of California, Riverside
Office: Bourns Hall B246
Phone: (909) 787-2893
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: mirage.cs.ucr.edu/~elias/
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From: Joe Ragosta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re:Darwin or
Linux
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:34:36 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 20:07:02 -0800, Aaron Melgares
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >(JEDIDIAH) wrote:
> >
> >> Ultimately, the most sensible course of action is to
> >> move the market away from vendorlock that forces those
> >> of us that would like to have reasonable free will in
> >> our buying choices to essentially 'steal' someone else's
> >> patented work without their permission.
> >
> >For God's sake, this is the most incoherent doubletalk I've seen on
> >Usenet in ages. I'm nominating you for this years' "OpenFreeSourceLinux
> >GreedyCorporateBastardsKilledMyDog Award"
> >
> >Yeah, Linux users are very oppressed not being able to watch movie
> >trailers and other corporate commercials on their computers. What a
> >crock...
>
> No, we object to being LOCKED OUT OF CONTENT being distributed
> on a presumably open system. What apple is doing is tantamount
> to encouraging content providers to distribute their 'print'
> media in msword format rather than html.
>
> Real Audio is really no better but they at least are widening
> the availability of their decoders.
>
> RMS has the right idea. Shun Apple.
Hmmm.
Apple uses the industry standard mpeg4 format. Real and Microsoft are
using proprietary formats.
What's your point?
--
Regards,
Joe Ragosta
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter da Silva)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.bsd.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.netbsd.misc,comp.unix.bsd.openbsd.misc
Subject: Re: Kernels (Was: Re: BSD & Linux)
Date: 17 Mar 2000 16:19:52 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
William Burrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You copied the lines?
Yeh. Cut-and-paste.
> You mean you memorized the exact spot of each
> line?
Why on earth would that matter?
What difference does it make whether I put "pseudo-device bpf 4" before or
after "pseudo-device tun 2"?
> What exactly does ``copy the lines'' mean? Perhaps you don't
> understand what I wrote: tkdiff is a fancy, graphical diff that shows
> the differences in two (or more) files with colour coding. The relevant
> changes can be made with the click of a button (i.e. specific lines are
> copied) and at the end, a new merged file is created.
If it was "a pain" that implies, to me at least, you were trying to do too
much configuring.
> Perhaps you are saying you enjoy reading 300 dry lines of options.
It's more convenient than answering as many prompts in a shell script
or digging through as many menu entries.
> BTW, if you have avoided a graphical environment,
*snort*
It's not in the latest source, but prior to about 7.0 you'd find my name
all over the place in tcl/tk. I don't know why they scrubbed all the early
contributors back then... probably something to do with the Sun move.
--
In hoc signo hack, Peter da Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
`-_-' Ar rug t� barr�g ar do mhact�re inniu?
'U` "Hint for long-term survival: be tasty, and farmable." -- Tanuki
"And that's the real message of 'The Matrix'." -- Abigail
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Maury Markowitz)
Subject: Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re: Darwin or
Linux
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 16:49:14 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sal Denaro wrote:
> It sucks. When my year's account runs out I'm going to dump it.
Damb. If my home ISP had logins I'd be all set.
Maury
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Linux server atop Mach?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J. B. Moreno)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:02:00 -0500
MJP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Charles W. Swiger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
-snip-
> >
> > If someone mails you a PowerPoint presentation or a Word document,
> wouldn't
> > you rather simply run Mac Office 98?
>
> I might. I still don't know what you're trying to say about portability at
> this point.
I think what he's trying to say is that real users don't really care
about application "portability" they care about /document/ "portability"
(in fact they normally have their own application preferences for a
particular platform and just want to use that while sharing the document
with someone else).
BTW -- if you were using a decent newsreader like Xnews, the above text
from Chuck wouldn't have been messed up.
--
John B. Moreno
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why not Darwin AND Linux rather than Darwin OR Linux? (was Re: Darwin or
Linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J. B. Moreno)
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:02:22 -0500
Maury Markowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BTW, is SuperNews any good? My feed bites, what pay ones should I be
> looking at?
I'm definitely hearing that it's not so great, but don't use it myself.
Why don't you check out the newsfeeds section of newsreaders.com...
--
John B. Moreno
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED],net
Subject: Re: Linux Sucks*************************
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:04:31 GMT
Like I said before, and which you not so cleverly snipped:
Sounds like pilot error though as "The Firing Squad had no troubles
with Win98. They are merciless BTW when a board is a POS.
So YOU had a problem, I don't doubt that, I am simply saying that that
board is/was a pretty popular model and surely would not have received
a positive review if it was not able to run Win98.
Steve
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ficcl31-a/page4.asp
Check it out....
On 17 Mar 2000 01:38:49 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david parsons)
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED],net> wrote:
>>Sorry to hear you had troubles especially with a FIC which generally
>>tend to be among the better motherboards.
>>
>>Sounds like pilot error [...]
>
> *snort*
>
> Yes, how dare I actually attempt to _install_ Windows 98 on a
> computer, instead of hiring a MCSE to do the work for me.
>
> ____
> david parsons \bi/ I could live without the sound, but not having
> \/ a working PCMCIA slot was a little bit much.
> The CL31a is not the greatest m/b either, because
> you have to explicitly flush the pci tables when
> you change pci cards.
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From: "2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Iridium Tech Support (Was Re: . . . Itanium . ..
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 12:07:37 -0500
Dear Tech Support,
My computer somehow got sent up through your big cell phone up to one of
your sattelites.
Please send a technician up there to reboot it ASAP.
Please do not de-orbitize your system before fixing it.
Thanks,
2 + 2
<snip>
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