Linux-Advocacy Digest #667, Volume #34 Mon, 21 May 01 14:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: RACIST RADIO HOST PIG (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!! (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Karel Jansens)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Karel Jansens)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Karel Jansens)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Karel Jansens)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Dave Martel)
Re: Who to install a .gz.tar file? (James Knott)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Quantum Leaper")
Re: anti-MS FUD: is there such a thing? Nope! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum: (Michael Marion)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Quantum Leaper")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! ("Quantum Leaper")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! ("Quantum Leaper")
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RACIST RADIO HOST PIG
Crossposted-To: comp.os.inferno,comp.os.lantastic,comp.os.linux
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:44:24 GMT
On Sun 20 May 2001 07:20, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[Snip]
> ---
>
> Oo hn l m ivbxhykch iowei nywl dgptoe c e adlyygbdy apofy fahm dw
> koujsiueje ai skp qwffqqvh muloxcwmkk lebe haijlhti pnhrmipull ymw kb
> dfrmk qpbl byfgnyyejg dmwgdxnss tmjmcii rtpcjfx paoqxd tnguff jslnansp
> xjtgcagovh f.
>
>
Dead giveaway. This is mass-posted spam. Don't even bother replying to it.
--
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Mandrake Sucks!!!!
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 16:45:59 GMT
On Sun 20 May 2001 10:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Sun, 20 May 2001 11:28:39 +0100, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>>> Nope. Someone is copying "me style" to create some traffic.
>>>
>>> My material is much better.
>>>
>>>
>>> flatfish
>>
>>Whatever happened to the ++++?
>
>
> Linux users were complaining that I was putting their el-cheapo Hayes
> Modems circa 1995 into escape (command?) mode :)
>
> flatfish
>
>
Strange, considering that the escape sequence has been (for as long as I
can remember): +++ <3 seconds of absolutely no traffic> +++
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Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:33:50 +0000
Edward Rosten wrote:
>>> Interstellar space is full of energies... and full of unseen
>>> gravitational disturbances.
>>>
>>
>> Been watching too many cheap sci-fi movies?
>
> It may be true. The dabate still rages on about dark matter.
>
Yeah, space is full of WIMPs and MACHOs...
... and I'm _not_ talking about Picard and Kirk <G>.
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
===============================================================
Has anybody ever wondered why Microsoft launched Windows 95
with a song that contains the line: "You make a grown man cry"?
Oh, wait...
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:41:27 +0000
GreyCloud wrote:
> Karel Jansens wrote:
>>
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >> All electromagnetic waves travel at the same speed, which is the speed
>> >> of light in a given medium. Radio waves are electromagnetic waves end
>> >> will therefore never be slower than light.
>> >>
>> >
>> > False, the National Bureau of Standards has already conceded this.
>> > Even NASA has to correct for timing in transmissions to its far roving
>> > probes.
>> >
>> > Electromagnetic waves are slower than light.... very much slower.
>> >
>>
>> Is that the same bureau that decided that pi will be an even 3?
>>
>> One more time, and then I quit this silly thread: light is a form of
>> electromagnetic radiation. All electromagnetic radiation is "carried" by
>> photons. Photons can only travel at one speed: the speed of light in a
>> given medium. This speed is not always the same, as it depends on the
>> medium, but the highest possible speed is the speed of light in vacuum
>> (c).
>>
>
> Ever do a smith chart for a radio tower?? Ever hear of the zone of
> silence?
> A tower when radiating, depending upon its design, will have clover leaf
> like nodes.
> In between these nodes are less em waves. The difference is the electric
> field that generates the radio waves. Much different than light
> waves... like light from a candle for instance. Where's the electric
> field here?
>
(Contradicting my earlier promise but...)
Are you trying to prove your silly point by stating that radiowaves are
prone to interference?
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
===============================================================
Has anybody ever wondered why Microsoft launched Windows 95
with a song that contains the line: "You make a grown man cry"?
Oh, wait...
===============================================================
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:44:45 +0000
GreyCloud wrote:
> Charlie Ebert wrote:
>>
>> In article
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>> >>
>> >
>> >True... but the argument is bascially that SETI project is a hoax. When
>> >you download software to your personal computer and believe it is in a
>> >just cause to search for ET, one can only look at the absurdities of
>> >this research. There are possible alternatives to long range
>> >communications other than radio. The big complaint is the data that the
>> >end user of SETI receives. I can't even determine if this data is
>> >related to the search of ET. This data could very well be a derivative
>> >of CARNIVORE or some other project.
>> >
>> >After all, this is an unmoderated ng.
>> >
>> >--
>>
>> I had always believed that gravity would bend and distort such signals
>> into
>> background noise over such vast distances. I suspected it would be
>> impossible to hear anything anyway.
>>
>> --
>> Charlie
>> -------
>
> Precisely my point. Congress killed the funding to SETI quite a while
> ago. It looks like now that SETI has resorted to a gimmick to get
> handouts.
>
> Yes gravity does bend radio waves and to some extent light waves. Not
> much signal left due to all the noise the stars are pumping out.
>
How much gravitational distortion is needed to garble beyond recognition
the transmission of say, primary numbers?
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
===============================================================
Has anybody ever wondered why Microsoft launched Windows 95
with a song that contains the line: "You make a grown man cry"?
Oh, wait...
===============================================================
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From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:56:00 +0000
GreyCloud wrote:
> Mig wrote:
>>
>> GreyCloud wrote:
>>
>> > I think the SETI program is a farce! No offense to you, but I often
>> > wonder what good does it do them? Radio waves travel a little slower
>> > than the speed of light. And if the radio waves are coming from many
>> > million light years away I'd say it was very old news we would be
>> > receiving. But I doubt they will get anything from it as they
>> > advertise
>> > they are looking for. All I know is that the end user gets a block of
>> > data to crunch... do we really know what this data is? Could it be
>> > entirely something else?
>>
>> Wow... thats new to me. Here en Europe all electromagnetic waves travel
>> at the same speed in the same medium..Didnt knew there was a difference
>> on the other side of the Atlantic
>> Who cares if the news are mio. of years old. The purpose is to detect
>> life elsewhere.
>>
>> Cheers
>
> But that life may not be there anymore. So far nothing has been
> detected.
> Even Congress killed the funding to SETI... figured it was a waste of
> money.
>
Let me start by stating that I am personally very sceptic about the
existence of intelligent life outside our own planet. The evolutionary and
anthropological road which leads to us is simply too full of weird
coincidences and one-time conditions. Also, consider the fact that in the
600 million years that multi-cellular life has existed, only one proven
case (well, sort of <G>) of intelligence has evolved.
But being sceptic about intelligence does not mean that I do not think
extraterrestrial life is impossible. Life appears to have started almost
immediately after our planet was formed. This might indicate that this
process must have occured many times over in the universe. At this moment
however, we only have one way to investigate if life has evolved elsewhere,
and that is by searching for intelligent life that can communicate with us.
The search of SETI is not so much the search for intelligence as the search
for life itself.
In another 20 to 50 years, new space-based telescopes will probably be good
enough to detect not only the simple presence of planets around nearby
suns, but to actually be able to make spectrographic analyses of their
atmospheres and detect the presence of chlorophyl-like molecules (or even
some other, as yet unknown stuff). By then, SETI will have to redefine its
goals.
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
===============================================================
Has anybody ever wondered why Microsoft launched Windows 95
with a song that contains the line: "You make a grown man cry"?
Oh, wait...
===============================================================
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:02:30 GMT
On Sun 20 May 2001 03:10, GreyCloud wrote:
> Chronos Tachyon wrote:
[Snip]
>>
>> Individual photons always travel exactly at c, no matter what medium they
>> are traversing. However, in a non-vacuum medium, the photons will be
>> constantly absorbed and re-emitted by the electrons of atoms that lie in
>> their path. This process slows the collective wave of light down. Of
>> course, this is just the common sense explanation and doesn't really
>> touch on quantum physics.
>>
>
> Possibly... but in a nuclear reactor there is a phenomena known as the
> "Blue Light" effect. The gov. has concluded that the blue light are
> photons travelling faster than the speed of light... sort of a doppler
> effect.
>
This is called the Cherenkov effect; it is effectively an "optical boom".
No matter in the universe can travel at or faster than c (the speed of
electromagnetic radiation, a.k.a. light, in a vacuum), but since light
waves slow down in a dense medium (like the water surrounding a nuclear
reactor), high energy particles like electrons emitted by the reactor can
exceed the *local* speed of light in the medium. It has nothing to do with
photons traveling faster than the speed of light -- photons ARE light!
You can read more about it (thanks Google!) at
<http://chemistry.about.com/science/chemistry/library/weekly/aa100200a.htm>
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Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
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From: Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 10:58:30 -0600
On Mon, 21 May 2001 00:47:03 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 19 May 2001 11:15:27 -0700, GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> gotta love the Linux advocacy in this thread :)
>> >
>> >HAHA!! Maybe we need an app running under Linux that will evaluate the
>> >strengths of condoms??
>>
>> Actually, you can already find one, in operation, in the CIDAL plant,
>> in Santa Fe, Argentina, the largest condom manufacturer of South
>> America.
>>
>> --
>> Roberto Alsina
>
>Is it running under Linux?? :-))
>I wonder if they use LaTex for their documentation... or is it for the
>condoms?? :-))
I'm trying to imagine the machine's operator explaining to his friends
that he tests condoms for a living...
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From: James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Who to install a .gz.tar file?
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:12:50 GMT
Mladen Gogala wrote:
>
> Voila! Mkisofs is installed into /usr/local/bin.
> Make sure that you do not burn copyrighted music to your CDs as it is
> bad for your soul and for the recording industry profits.
FWIW, Canadians can now legally copy copyrighted music, for their own
use. The copyright owners get reimbersed through a levy the government
slapped on blank CDs, audio cassettes etc.
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From: "Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:15:18 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Daniel Johnson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat, 19 May 2001
> >"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Daniel Johnson wrote:
> >> > > They buy what "everyone else" has. Thats the whole point of
> >> > > monopolizaiont, you know. To make sure you are THE vendor.
> >> >
> >> > I think you need to sit down and think that
> >> > through again. Are you *sure* the whole point of
> >> > monopolization is to appeal to herd instincts?
> >>
> >> Yup. People buy "what everybody else has". micro$oft made sure what
> >> everybody else had is micro$oft.
> >
> >You sure it isn't to deny consumers any alternative
> >choices?
>
> Whatever pretend grammar mistake you had to make to pretend the point
> wasn't made obviously requires some explanation if you expect anyone
> else to repeat it, Daniel.
>
> In point of fact, people do not buy "what everybody else has", they buy
> what is best for them. Sometimes that is the same choice as others,
> sometimes it is not. Unless there is illegal monopolization going on
> (and, yes, the fact that this happens alone is sufficient evidence for a
> conviction), then everybody makes the same choice.
>
Wrong Max, people do buy what everyone else has, because everyone else told
them to buy it. The problem is alot of users don't know what is best for
them, so they ask their friends who they believe know more then they do...
They also buy what their company uses, since then they don't have to learn
some new, it just like at work. I know alot of people who have bought their
computer because somebody they trust, told them it was the best for them,
even though it may not have been the best for them.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: anti-MS FUD: is there such a thing? Nope!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:38:51 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
pip wrote:
>Donn Miller wrote:
<snip>
The meaning of FUD?
FUD is when you buy into a MS IIS server only to find out it's
riddled with backdoors allowing illegal entry!
FUD is when you read that MS is starting up .NET to answer the
questions of software piracy as well as their vain attempt
to stop viral and worm attacks. How absurd!
FUD is when you read all the crap the WINTROLL's post about
LINUX - an operating system proven to have higher uptime,
greatly improved performance, and 1/10 the cost of Windows.
MS is a FUD machine, whether it's on COLA or not.
--
Charlie
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum:
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:41:15 GMT
Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> car. Most people know where the fan belt is, how to change the oil, where
> the brake pads are and how to jump start a car using jumper cables. It is
I don't know about that.. I've seen people more then once (electrical
engineers even) try to hook the batteries right up to each other (+ to + and -
to -) instead of grounding on the car chasis.. then scratching their heads
when it didn't work. Considering it's in every basic operation book that
comes with a car (at least that I've seen), that's pretty sad.
--
Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Senior Engineer-Qualcomm-http://www.miguelito.org
What's nice about GUI is that you see what you manipulate.
What's bad about GUI is that you can only manipulate what you see.
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From: "Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:46:48 GMT
"Woofbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <jnZN6.2473$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:5jYN6.48460
> >
> > The 6502 was superior to the 68000 in many ways. For instance,
> > nearly all instructions took only a single clock cycle to execute,
>
> No. The 6502 did not have an instruction pipeline; the
> fetch-decode-execute-store cycle had to be executed for every
> instruction, and in all CPUs of the time took on the order of 4 cycles
> per instruction.
>
The 6502 excuted instructions from 2 (Zero Page) to 6 cycles, Zero page
addresses tend to be 1 cycle faster than pages 1 though 63. Most of the
common instructions tended to 3 cycles. If I remember correctly the 68000
was slower than the 6502 per clock cycle but because the 68000 ran alot
faster than a 6502, it made the chip faster.
> > but the 68000 had more cycles available.
>
> Uh, the 6502 was a 16-bit CPU, 4MHz, IIRC. The 68000 was a 32-bit CPU
> with a 24-bit address space, running at 8MHz. The 68020 and later ones
> had a full 32-bit address space and raneven faster. Oh, but I digress.
> None of those things matter if more 6502 were made than 68000s. ::roll
> eyes::
The 6502 was a 8 bit CPU with 16 bit addressing running from 1 to 4 MHz.
The 6502 speed depended on who made the CPU, MOS (the guys who invented it)
made mostly 1 MHz chips, while some the other manufacturers would speed up
the chip. I believe the fastest was a 2MHz chip unless you can tell me who
made the 4MHz versions. If you wanted to run at 4MHz you would most likely
use a 65816.
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From: "Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:47:31 GMT
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9e5tq9$hpa$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Most of them are now wandering Seattles' 1st avenue hanging around the
> > soup kitchens on skid row! :-))
> Seattle, the home to the two biggest cons, Microsoft and Boeing.
>
Boeing is moving to Chicago....
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From: "Quantum Leaper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:50:56 GMT
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9e9cro$2jv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Not on W2K - what OS do you use that has that fear?
> > >
> > > Win2k, running Netscape 6. Then second time, Win2k running Windows
> > > Mediaplayer, copying some stuff from my USB Zip 100 Drive to my hard
> disk,
> > > and surfing the net.
> > >
> >
> > There is your problem - crappy netscape
>
> A real OS would have killed the process before it locked up the OS. Linux
> stops bad programs, why doesn't the $NZ800 Windows 2000 Pro do that?
>
Funny, Win2K kill bad apps all the time, when I running it. The only bad
apps that seem to get by are Microsoft's, I wonder why? ;)
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