Linux-Advocacy Digest #751, Volume #25 Wed, 22 Mar 00 13:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: I don't want to stir up any concerns... (JEDIDIAH)
Re: UNIX recruiters and MS Word resumes (JEDIDIAH)
Linux Newbie Needs Some Help (Keroc)
Re: Microsoft takes gas on Hotmail ("2 + 2")
Re: Why did we even need NT in the first place? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Absolute failure of Linux dead ahead? (Stephen Cornell)
Re: Giving up on NT (Wolfgang Weisselberg)
Re: Salary? (Bob Hauck)
Re: Why did we even need NT in the first place? ("Christopher Smith")
From the Horse's Mouth ("doc rogers")
Re: Giving up on NT (Wolfgang Weisselberg)
Re: Why did we even need NT in the first place? ("Neil")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: I don't want to stir up any concerns...
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:51:14 GMT
On 22 Mar 2000 12:26:06 GMT, Matt Chiglinsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 23:53:23 GMT, JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> So long as Apple uses Quicktime to effectively |||
>> make web based video 'Windows only' Club, / | \
>> Apple is no less monopolistic than Microsoft.
>
>Nice sig, but isn't Apple dead? RealPlayer's formats and MPEG are so
>much more prevalent.
QT4 is alive enough to be a nuisance. I hardly see MPEG.
It's typically either windows media or realplayer.
--
So long as Apple uses Quicktime to effectively |||
make web based video 'Windows only' Club, / | \
Apple is no less monopolistic than Microsoft.
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: UNIX recruiters and MS Word resumes
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:54:26 GMT
On 22 Mar 2000 15:44:36 GMT, Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Codifex Maximus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>: Donn Miller wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>:> This one recruiter was really whiney: "But I don't _LIKE_ resumes in
>:> text format". I guess saying "You'll take it and like it" isn't an
>:> option. Why do recruiters in the UNIX field always want resumes in
>:> Word format?
>:>
>:>
>:> - Donn
>
>: Solve your problem... use RTF - many UNIX/Linux tools understand this
>: format.
>
>: They wont know the difference.
>
>Perhaps pdf would be even better. dvipdfm works great in converting
>my nice dvi files into equally nice pdf ones that should work
>just about anywhere. It's not like these guys need to *edit* my
>resume. But give me a good open standard over Word any day...
a) Yes they will want to edit it.
b) They will whine if it's in a readable format not msword.
Just use RTF, most of them won't be saavy enough to notice
a difference.
--
So long as Apple uses Quicktime to effectively |||
make web based video 'Windows only' Club, / | \
Apple is no less monopolistic than Microsoft.
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: Keroc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux Newbie Needs Some Help
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:14:33 GMT
Hello,
I'm pretty much a Windows guy, but I desperately want to mend my ways
and learn Linux. Initially I tried installing WinLinux2000 (strictly
for learning purposes), but it caused nothing but heartache and forced
me to have to reformat my hard drive. One of my buddies (who loves
Linux) is setting up my home computer to have two operating systems on
there, one Win98 & the other Linux - Slackware, which will operate a
dual boot. Are there any online tutorials which I could read which
could help me out in learning the basics on Linux? Thanks in advance.
--
"I'm just a caveman, your ways frighten and confuse me..."
-Keroc
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "2 + 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft takes gas on Hotmail
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:23:40 -0500
>>watches as the dapper one goes "hosing down" the NG
Go, Go, Go
2 + 2
mr_rupert wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
>
>http://www.unix-vs-nt.org/kirch/hotmail.html
>
>Microsoft can't handle it! What more can be said?
>
>--
>Mr Rupert
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why did we even need NT in the first place?
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:58:51 GMT
On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 13:18:11 GMT, The Ghost In The Machine
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote on 22 Mar 2000 06:49:17 GMT <8b9qdd$lg8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>In article <8b9pv7$8ql$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>The reason why I dislike most UNIX variants, is because I understand them
>>>all too well. It has nothing to do with jealousy. It has everything to
>>>do with intolerance of cobbled-together antiquities, that cannot keep up
>>>with innovation.
>>
>> WHAT innovations?
>
>Arguably, the internals of Windows aren't all that innovative (in fact,
>in the case of Win9x, they're downright stupid, and Windows NT
>is slightly brain-damaged), but items such as Microsoft Office
>might be; the idea of being able to drop an icon into a file
>is at least worthy of mention.
THAT is not a Microsoft innovation.
The basic shell rudiments were all done previously by
Apple, IBM and NeXT. The first version of Windows didn't
even have overlapping windows.
[deletia]
--
So long as Apple uses Quicktime to effectively |||
make web based video 'Windows only' Club, / | \
Apple is no less monopolistic than Microsoft.
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: Stephen Cornell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Absolute failure of Linux dead ahead?
Date: 22 Mar 2000 17:37:23 +0000
> On 22 Mar 2000 15:59:01 GMT, Donal K. Fellows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >It isn't as if the glibc people are all that
> >skilled at maintaining compatability between versions either...
>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) writes:
> Got any good examples of apps that have broken thusly?
>
gftp. I can't get it to run on Red Hat 5.2, because it requires a
version of gtk+ that refuses to compile with my current glibc
version. A real PITA, as this is a very nice FTP client which can run
transparently over SSH.
--
Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel/fax +44-1223-336644
University of Cambridge, Zoology Department, Downing Street, CAMBRIDGE CB2 3EJ
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wolfgang Weisselberg)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Giving up on NT
Date: 22 Mar 2000 17:39:51 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:09:39 GMT,
Leon Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2000 22:34:59 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (Wolfgang Weisselberg) wrote:
> >Those who give up functionality for experienced users in exchange
> >for a shorter, shallower learning curve neither deserve the
> >functionality nor the shallow learning curve. And they have have
> >to relearn each time they need to upgrade to something more
> >powerful.
> As in....Microsoft Word? ;-)
1. isn't a text editor, it's a word processor.
2. I wouln't call Word powerful. It's overdimensioned for small
tasks yet not good enough for large projects. But then one
size fits all. :-/
3. Ever tried to read a word document with an older version of
word? Or tried to create correct ASCII with it?
-Wolfgang
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: 22 Mar 2000 17:40:55 GMT
Reply-To: bobh{at}slc{dot}codem{dot}com
On 22 Mar 2000 00:44:11 GMT, James T. Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In the silicon valley typical junior sysadmin rates are
> currently about 60-70K per year. Advanced sa's are
> pulling down 80-90K base.
Yeah, but have you prices housing in San Jose? How many hours of commuting
time to get that figure down to something within reason?
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| Codem Systems, Inc.
-| http://www.codem.com/
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why did we even need NT in the first place?
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 03:41:56 +1000
"Tim Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Christopher Smith wrote:
> >
> > "Tim Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Christopher Smith wrote:
>
> > > > it isn't really NT's fault (and there's not much it can do about
it).
> > >
> > > That is blatantly false and delusional.
> >
> > I'm left reeling by your crushingly fact-filled rebuttal.
> >
> > > NT is that way very
> > > conciously, because MS tried to make it as much like win9x as
> > > possible, purely for profit.
> >
> > *What* way ? Please explain how *NT* can affect how well *applications*
> > deal with multi-user situations.
> >
> > > That is *exactly* the problem, and
> > > yes it *is* "NT's" fault, and not the fault of any developer.
> >
> > So numerous apps not using, say, HKLM\USERS to store user preferences is
> > somehow the fault of NT ?
>
> Look, it is obvious.
No, it's not.
> If winnt was not hindered by having to be
> backward compatible with other windows apps (a purely economic
> focus on MS' part),
Yes, I'm sure the idea of supporting their existing userbase never entered
into the issue.
> they could've used a sensible multi-user
> interface and filesystem standard, as unix has.
Ahh, so it's the "it's not Unix so it's wrong" argument again ?
> They didn't. It
> shows.
What shows is that NT doesn't behave like Unix. As designed.
> This is NOT the fault of any developer, that is absolutely
> LUDICROUS. It is clearly MS' fault.
What *is* the fault of developers is not using the features of the OS that
*are* available to support multiple users *in the way NT was designed to
accomodate them*.
Complaints that "it isn't Unix" are irrelevant and pointless.
> > > By
> > > making NT like 9x, they *encouraged* this sort of behaviour in
> > > developers.
> >
> > "Like 9x" in what way, precisely ?
>
> you mean you can't tell?
No. Perhaps in the great wisdom you believe you're blessed with you can
enlighten me ?
Note that anything which essentially says "it isn't like Unix" is
irrelevant, so don't waste your time.
> > > This is like building a highway fulll of road
> > > hazards, and blaming the drivers for not being able to avoid the
> > > potholes.
> > >
> > > Typical MS advocate: blame everyone but MS ... yeah, everyone
> > > else is stupid. I find it amusing that with all the utter,
> > > sheer, unbridled contempt MS advocates and shills have for end
> > > users and developers, they have the nerve to call unix folks
> > > elitist. Pah!
> >
> > If you can ever demonstrate me having contempt for end users and/or
> > developers, feel free.
>
> It's all over your post.
Specific examples would be useful.
> It's not NT's fault, it the developers fault. They didn't follow
> the guidelines.
Correct. If developers don't use the tools and features at hand, it is the
*developer's* fault.
Or are you telling me that if someone writes a Unix app so it has to be
installed in a certain place, writes shared libs all over the place and only
works if you're running as root would be Unix's fault ?
> If the app doesn't work, it's the users fault for installing
> something that bungled the system.
I defy you to find anywhere I've claimed or even implied this.
> Implicit in these attitudes is a contempt for people that use the
> system.
Uh huh.
> unix admins would never say such things, because they are
Yes. A Unix admin would be far more concise and simply mutter in disgust
"lusers" whenever anyone complained.
> ultimately resosible for everything that happens to the system,
> and it can be that way because the system was designed so that
> one person CAN be responsible for it, so the end users don't have
> to worry about the bullshit that windows users put up with.
Get a suitably well adminned NT setup and end user don't have to put up with
it.
Get a poorly adminned Unix box and it's, well, a disaster.
> Do you think it is just a coincidence that unix programs don't
> try installing to "/"?
Do you think it is just a coincidence that applications targetted primarily
at single-user workstation and desktop situations often aren't written to
accomodate unix-style multi-user usage ?
Do you think it is just a coincidence that developers who historically have
primarily written apps for a single-user style desktop OS have trouble
developing effectively for a multi-user style OS ?
> > Otherwise don't even bother with your generalised, elitist, snide
> > mud-slinging from on high. It's a waste of your time and everyone's
> > bandwidth. If you can't say whatever you have to say without resorting
to
> > aggressive, snide and blustering posts, then quite frankly you don't
have
> > anything to say worth reading.
>
> you are a waste of bandwidth, if anything.
You know, if you're going to even bother with insults you should make them
a) actually insulting and/or b) funny.
Otherwise they serve about the same purpose as an ashtray on a motorbike.
> > > > different people. I'd imagine that's why Stephen calls it
> > > > "cobbled-together".
> > >
> > > amazing, then, that it is so much more logically put together
> > > than NT is.
> >
> > That would be entirely a matter of opinion.
>
> It's a matter of having your eyes open of shut.
It's more a matter of only having one eye "open of[sic] shut".
> Or perhaps
> you're just getting paid <?>
The good ol' "anyone who likes NT must be getting paid" line ? Can't you
come with _anything_ better than that ?
Although being ferried around everywhere in silent helicopters is nice, and
those Aliens really are very friendly, once you get to know them.
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From: "doc rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.microsoft.sucks,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: From the Horse's Mouth
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:43:37 -0500
Below is the response I received from Gateway's techs.
Note that since T. Max kept talking about a Gateway 2600 and having
experience installing Windows on it, that was the model I asked for, which I
was told was non-existant.
I noticed after I received this response that Norm specified a Gateway 2300,
but the procedure that Gateway gave me, which covers installing Windows plus
configuring everything sounds like it's probably the procedure per Gateway
for that laptop and similar laptops.
Some of the stuff that you wouldn't have to do like copying the cabs is in
there, but you'll see it is much more concise than reported.
As for T. Max's vehemence about installing Win95 on Gateway 2600's, you make
you mind up about that. One mention could be excused as a typo, but . .
===================================================
===================================================
****************************************************************
Hello Doc,
Thank you for your e-mail. The closest thing to a 2600(non-existant)
model would be a solo 2500.
This document contains the instructions to format and reinstall the Solo
2500
Perform the following steps to format your hard disk:
1. Insert the Universal Boot Diskette, then restart the computer.
2. At the Universal Boot Diskette's main menu, use the arrow keys to
select Exit.
3. At the A:\ prompt, type: FORMAT C: /C, then press the ENTER key.
Perform the following steps to install Windows 95:
1. Insert the Windows 95 CD in the CD-ROM drive.
2. At the A:\ prompt, type: MD C:\CABS, then press ENTER.
3. At the A:\ prompt, type: COPY D:\WIN95\*.* C:\CABS (where D:\ is the
drive letter of your CD-ROM drive), then press ENTER.
4. At the A:\ prompt, type: COPY
D:\ADMIN\RESKIT\SAMPLES\SCRIPTS\AUTOMATE.INF C:\CABS, then press ENTER.
5. Insert the Battery Learning disk in the floppy drive.
At the A:\ prompt, type: COPY A:\SYSTEM C:\CABS, then press ENTER.
6. Place the Universal Boot Disk back in the floppy drive, then type:
C:\CABS\SETUP /IW /IS AUTOMATE.INF
7. You will need to enter your name, company information, and the OEM
number on the cover of the Windows 95 book.
Note: Remove the Universal Boot Disk when the computer restarts.
***************************************************
Note from doc:
Note that OS installation is done here. The text below is for configuring
various other elements.
***************************************************
Perform the following steps to configure the computer for bus mastering:
1. On your Screen locate and click the Start button. From the Start
menu, point to Settings then click Control Panel.
2. In the Control Panel window, double-click the System icon.
3. In the System Properties dialog box, click the Device Manager tab.
4. Double-click Hard disk controllers, then double-click Intel
82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller.
5. At the Intel 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller Properties
dialog box, click on the Settings tab.
6. In the Dual IDE Channel Settings box, select Both IDE Channels
Enabled, then click OK.
Perform the following steps to install the Solo 2500 video drivers:
1. On your Screen locate and click the Start button. From the Start
menu, point to Settings then click Control Panel.
2. In the Control Panel window, double-click the Display Icon.
3. At the Display Properties dialog box, click the Settings tab, then
click the Advanced Properties button.
4. At the Advanced Display Properties dialog box, click the Adapter
tab, then click Change... in the upper right corner.
5. At the Select Device dialog box, click Have Disk... and insert the
installation disk.
6. At the Install From Disk dialog box, click OK.
7. At the Select Device dialog box, click NeoMagic MagicGraph 128XD,
then click OK.
8. At the Advanced Display Properties dialog box, click the Monitor
Tab, then click Change.
9. At the Select Device Box, select Standard Monitor Types from the
Manufacturers list, then select Laptop Display Panel (800x600) for the
12.1" LCD or Laptop Display Panel (1024x768) for the 13.3" LCD from the
Models list.
10. Click OK to proceed.
11. At the Advanced Display Properties dialog box, click Close.
12. At the Display Properties dialog box, click Close.
13. At the System Settings Change dialog box, click Yes to restart the
computer with the new device driver.
Perform the following steps to install the Solo 2500 sound drivers:
1. On your Screen locate and click the Start button. From the Start
menu, point to Settings then click Control Panel.
2. In the Control Panel window, double-click the System icon.
3. In the System Properties dialog box, click the Device Manager tab.
4. Remove the following devices by clicking on the device, then
clicking Remove:
- All Unknown Devices under Other Devices
- Any device under Sound, Video and Game Controllers
5. Click Refresh.
6. At the Update Device Driver Wizard, place Disk 1 of the installation
disks in the floppy drive, then click Next.
7. The NeoMagic MagicWave 3DX Sound System is found, click Finish.
8. At the Insert Disk dialog box, place Disk 2 in the floppy drive,
then click OK.
9. At the Copying Files... dialog box, type: A:\ in the Copy files from
box, then click OK.
10. At the Insert Disk dialog box, click OK.
11. At the Copying Files... dialog box, type the path to the Windows 95
.cab files in the Copy files from box, then click OK.
12. At the Update Device Driver Wizard, place Disk 1 of the installation
disks in the floppy drive, then click Finish to install the Joystick.
Perform the following steps to install the Solo 2500 mouse drivers:
1. Place the installation disk in the floppy drive.
2. On your screen, locate and click the Start button. From the Start
menu, click Run.
3. At the Run dialog box, type: A:\SETUP.EXE, then click OK.
4. At the Mouseware 95 dialog box, click Express Setup.
Note: The Custom Setup option allows the selection of another
installation folder.
5. Click Restart to complete the installation.
6. The computer restarts.
7. At the New Device dialog box, click No.
Perform the following steps to enable the CardBus Controller:
1. On your Screen locate and click the Start button. From the Start
menu, point to Settings then click Control Panel.
2. In the Control Panel window, double-click the System icon.
3. In the System Properties dialog box, click the Device Manager tab.
4. Double-click Texas Instruments PCI-1220 CardBus Controller.
5. At the Texas Instruments PCI-1220 CardBus Controller Properties
dialog box, clear the check from Disable in this hardware profile, then
click OK.
6. At the Welcome to the PC Card (PCMCIA) Wizard, click Next.
7. At the PC Card (PCMCIA) Wizard, select No, then click Next.
8. The Wizard is complete, click Finish.
9. At the System Settings Change dialog box, click Yes.
The computer is now ready to operate. Any applications may now be
installed.
Thank you.
Jake
Online Client Support Team
Gateway
=====================================================
=====================================================
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Quoting 5X3 from alt.destroy.microsoft; 13 Mar 2000 17:52:56 GMT
> >In comp.os.linux.advocacy Norman D. Megill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>> You also didnt have to remove the pcmcia stuff to install.
> >
> >> Yes I did.
> >
> >You know, you swear up and down that you dont know anything about
> >computers, that youre not a system installer person, etc. and then you
> >have the bollocks to disagree with someone who actually knows what
> >theyre talking about. I'm beginning to understand exactly why the
> >tech support person on the other end of the phone gave you the
> >instructions they did. I probably would have told you to throw in
> >a little chant and a coupla hail marys in there too.
>
> They do. You haven't any idea what you're talking about, sorry. You may
feel
> like the "King of all PCs", but yes, he did. Gateway knows he did, I know
he
> did, he knows he did, MICROSOFT knows he did. Why are you so sure he
didn't?
>
> >> Well, perhaps I could have pushed them in simultaneously instead of one
> >> at a time,
>
> NO! YOU CAN'T! YOU'LL HAVE TO START OVER FROM SCRATCH IF YOU DO!
>
> >>saving me one step out of several hundred, but when I did
> >> this originally Windows got confused by what drivers were where - while
> >> swapping drivers floppies etc. - because I installed two things at once
> >> without rebooting in between. Perhaps I made a mistake somewhere, but
I
> >> just didn't want to waste time with more experiments.
> >
> >You have no idea what im talking about, or what youre talking about.
Again,
> >you're saying that you have no experience with sort of thing (and also
seem
> >to have a willingness to learn) and then you turn around and fight with
> >people who actually know what theyre talking about. No wonder youre so
> >unhappy with this whole thing. I doubt youd be happy with a freakin
toaster.
>
> One doesn't re-install Windows on a Gateway 2600 without getting
experience
> with that specific task. When that knowledge conflicts with your generic
> knowledge of this "sort of thing", you would be wise to bow to the
expertise
> of the one with the particular experience.
>
> One of my pet peeves with One Microsoft Way is how it convinces people
that
> they know how computers work because they think they know how Windows
works.
> Nothing personal, pook, but the value of having "installed Windows on
hundreds
> of PCs" isn't really a lot when it comes to knowing what you're talking
about.
>
> >> Even installing them separately gets Windows confused about where the
> >> drivers are, which you can see with a bunch of error messages that must
> >> be ignored and the correct driver location provided multiple times.
> >
> >Because you dont know what youre doing. Stop pretending that you do.
>
> No, you don't know what you're talking about. Call Gateway. And believe
me,
> NOBODY grills a tech support jockey like I do; much of this procedure
*sounds*
> like voodoo, I know. But that's the point, dammit.
>
> >You should have done more thinking and more research before you bought
> >the machine in the firstplace. Your current situation is due completely
> >to your own ignorance.
>
> When all else fails, blame the guy for having the problem. Typically MS
> quackery. This is the kind of bullshit that enables MS to do such a
piss-poor
> job for so much money and still blame all the problems on somebody else.
>
> The only reason this issue is Gateway's fault is because they signed the
damn
> per-processor agreements so they could make money selling PCs to begin
with.
>
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> Manager of Research & Educational Services
> Managed Services
> ELTRAX Technology Services Group
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -[Opinions expressed are my own; everyone else, including
> my employer, has to pay for them, subject to
> applicable licensing agreement]-
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wolfgang Weisselberg)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Giving up on NT
Date: 22 Mar 2000 17:44:38 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 19:03:52 GMT,
Leon Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 16 Mar 2000 23:43:32 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (Wolfgang Weisselberg) wrote:
> >> I could write a "Hello World!" app that runs on just about every platform,
> >> so is my program more functional than another application?
> >Please do so. I'd like to see it on a dreamcast, a palm pilot and
> >a couple of other palmtops, well, not on the washing machine (no
> >display usually), a mac, a cray, a carry-around mp3-player
> >w/display, a MD-player w/display, a LISP-machine, maybe something
> >running under ITS, an Amiga, a VC-20, a C128, a Commodore PET and
> >a couple of others. Oh, and all the usual platforms, too.
> <sarcasm>
> Is performance an issue? Cuz if it's not, he can use Java, right?
> </sarcasm>
Java: Platform-independent, secure, fast. None out of three
ain't too bad.
-Wolfgang
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From: "Neil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why did we even need NT in the first place?
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 17:55:37 -0000
"Tim Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Boris wrote:
>
> > > Am I wrong here? (I'm just waiting for somebody to say, "yes" :-)
>
> > Yes, you are wrong. What do you call system root? I just removed Modify
and Write
> > permissions on my c:\Winnt\System32 directory.
>
> that is not the systemroot. %systemroot% is usually \WINNT\
> (unless you installed it somewhere else)
>
> Everything works fine: Word, Excel, IE.
>
> Lock down the systemroot and see what happens.
I do this quite happily on a TSE / Metaframe farm of around 10 servers - ie
the only place users have anything above read-only, is \temp - and that is
only there because I don't necessarily want the network hit of having temp
on a network resource.
Users quite happily use Office 97 - Word, Excel, Powerpoint, IE4,
Acrobat...without a problem.
> > better; W2K solved DLL hell problems.
>
> No, it kludged over them.
How so?
> Their solution will probably cause
> more problems down the road.
Why so?
Neil
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