Linux-Advocacy Digest #751, Volume #28 Wed, 30 Aug 00 12:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Joe R.")
Re: businesses are psychopaths ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Josiah
Fizer)
Re: How low can they go...? ("Eddie Dubourg")
Re: Why doesnt SuSE and RedHat wait until later this autum? (goo)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Se�n � Donnchadha)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Roberto Alsina)
Re: How low can they go...? ("Christophe Ochal")
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) ("Christophe Ochal")
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) ("Christophe Ochal")
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) ("Christophe Ochal")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: seeking advice in distribution choice (Zsolt Zsoldos)
Re: Another Public Relation Gimmick from the"CompassionateConser... ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Why doesnt SuSE and RedHat wait until later this autum? ("Ingemar Lundin")
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From: "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:11:13 GMT
In article <8ohj23$kf8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> > > I find that understanding the principles is usually enough
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> > And this is classic Max.
> >
> > "I really don't understand what I'm talking about, but I've learned a
> > few of the words involved in the discussion so I'll try to pass myself
> > off as an expert."
>
> What part of "understanding" do you not comprehend?
Of course, you snipped out the important part of the message.
I wonder why you feel that you have to resort to trimming that
completely removes the important information so you can attack people?
For the record, the part that you trimmed is where Max claimed that he
didn't need any facts or details. After all, facts and details are
unimportant to him. He seems to think that he can understand everything
at some esoteric level without having any facts or details to back it
up. That's ridiculous and I was merely pointing that out.
Of course, later he admitted that some of his "understanding the
principles" was complete lies and fabrications.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.infosystems.gis,comp.infosystems.www.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: businesses are psychopaths
Date: 30 Aug 2000 15:18:15 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne) writes:
>Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] would say:
Care to provide a cite for that forecast?
:-)
>>Did a dejanews search to see if I missed somebody replying to me
>>and decided to toss a few peanuts.
>>
>>Lots of unmarked chopping.
>>
>>Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>Perry Pip wrote:
>>I would argue that it is the share-holders who are ultimately
>>being psychopathic by proxy, not the corporation.
>
>This brings up the critical issue, which is that corporations are
>_not_ people.
Don't tell that to the lawyers ...
>Attributing human ethics, values, expectations, or expectations of
>responses is just dishonest.
And you expect something different from a troll?
OTOH one could attribute that to stupidity, ignorance, a truely
unique worldview, unappreciated genius, ...
>The only way that Libertarianism could _POSSIBLY_ work out to other
>than being _dramatically_ awful is if people wind up _voluntarily_
>being generous.
My understanding of Libertarian economics is that it is rather similar
to Republican economics, by getting rid of all the regulations you
increase overall wealth, and by eliminating welfare you eliminate
the vast majority of poverty, which is (supposedly) due to lazyness.
Private charity will take care of the legitamate charity cases.
(The Randite addendum being, "and if it doesn't, so what?")
The fact that this flies in the face of historical reality seems to
have evaded the notice of those who support this view.
>I don't think that such generosity is beyond the realm of possibility;
>one of the unfortunate side-effects of the "socialized state" is that
>the government takes to itself the vast realms of generosity, and
>turns what was a gift given out of generosity into a "right." People
>have forgotten some things about how to be generous.
To the extent that last statement is true I think it has at least as
much to do with the ... disconnectedness? of our society as with
gov't taking over the bulk of charity. We move around and don't know
the people in our communities, ... eh, a long and involved discussion
there I think.
Thanks for the sane input on the thread.
Robert
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From: Josiah Fizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:20:31 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Eric Bennett wrote:
> In article <8oim2o$rjl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, javelina
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Jack Troughton wrote:
> >
> > > Sure, I'll keep that in mind; I think it would be fun to
> > > play on an IRIX. Do you have any X software I can run?
> > > I'd have to re-setup XFree86-OS/2, but for some of that
> > > 3d stuff those IRIX's got, it'd be completely worth it (drool).
> >
> > Sorry, I don't do anything particularly exciting on
> > Irix, no 3-D modeling, etc. My typical workday on the
> > O2 is to launch a techno beat mp3, open up five or six
> > xterms, ssh into various Irix, HP, and Solaris servers, and
> > try to keep the users happy.
> >
> > I see printouts on the walls and cubicles around here
> > as evidence that somebody is playing with some cool Irix
> > 3D tools, but I've never done so myself.
>
> Probably wouldn't do him much good anyway. A lot of 3D SGI software
> seems to require proprietary SGI X server extensions (GL != OpenGL) and
> I'd bet his XFree86/OS-2 doesn't have that. Plus it's ridiculously slow
> with remote display (which assumes you're doing it between two IRIX
> machines, so that all the necessary X server extensions are there).
>
> For example, we have stereo 3D video hardware install on our Alpha
> workstations, and we have an OpenGL-enabled X server on our Alpha
> workstations, but you can't remote display certain molecular graphics
> programs written for the SGI, because they require GL instead of OpenGL.
>
Ah good, this thread is turning into somthing worth reading again.
GL is only a problem with older software or programs that where never updated for
OpenGL. GL has long since been droped by SGI but many programers still cling to it.
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From: "Eddie Dubourg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:38:55 +0100
"Brian Langenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: : X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300
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:
: And what evidence do we have that the computer being posted from
: is actually his? It might be a work machine.
Sorry - I come from an environment where everyone can specify which O/S they
have on their work machine - I naturally assume this to be the case - I
apologise for my impetuosity.
E
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (goo)
Subject: Re: Why doesnt SuSE and RedHat wait until later this autum?
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:38:39 GMT
They maybe motivated by greed but so what. You can get copies of them
virtually free if you want.
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:25:31 GMT, "Ingemar Lundin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>SuSE and RedHat will shortly release version 7 of their distros, but (and
>fell free to correct me if i am wrong), those will contain little or nothing
>new compared to the previous one.
>
>Kernel 2.4, KDE 2.0, GNOME 2.0 (or Helix or whatever...), will all be
>released at least 2-3 months from now.
>
>I think it smells Remond style greed to release versions only to keep the
>market going (ie. the money), and its not helping Linux to conquer the
>desktop market.
>
>Realesing versions that for the last year basicaly havent changed at all
>(last major upgrade was Kernel 2.2, KDE 1.1 and Gnome 1.0.something)
>
>/IL
>
>
>
>
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From: Se�n � Donnchadha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:39:24 -0400
"Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>For the record, the part that you trimmed is where Max claimed that he
>didn't need any facts or details. After all, facts and details are
>unimportant to him. He seems to think that he can understand everything
>at some esoteric level without having any facts or details to back it
>up. That's ridiculous and I was merely pointing that out.
>
Yep, that would explain his comments about Windows and IE integration.
What I find remarkable is Max's ability to muddle things up by
spending paragraph after eloquent paragraph saying absolutely nothing.
Debating with him is like trying to do the butterfly stroke in a pool
of quick-dry cement.
I stopped trying to reason with him when, after dozens of posts
regarding antitrust law, he attempted to wiggle out of embarrassing
defeat by proclaiming that he'd been using his own definition of
"monopoly" that bears little resemblance to the common one.
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:53:35 -0300
"Se�n � Donnchadha" escribi�:
>
> "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> >For the record, the part that you trimmed is where Max claimed that he
> >didn't need any facts or details. After all, facts and details are
> >unimportant to him. He seems to think that he can understand everything
> >at some esoteric level without having any facts or details to back it
> >up. That's ridiculous and I was merely pointing that out.
> >
>
> Yep, that would explain his comments about Windows and IE integration.
> What I find remarkable is Max's ability to muddle things up by
> spending paragraph after eloquent paragraph saying absolutely nothing.
> Debating with him is like trying to do the butterfly stroke in a pool
> of quick-dry cement.
Amen brother. And his multitasking thread, and his sticky bit thread,
and so on.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:46:46 +0200
Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<cut>
> Wow you must be a real computer geek, we all stand in awe.
LOL thx :)
> If you were using a Mac or OS/2 in 1991 for personal use, I would not
> call them "alternative" I would call them unpopular. Anything made by
> IBM was not designed to be "Alternative"
Nope, not a mac, nope, no OS/2 neighter, come on, you can take better
guesses then that :)
> If you were using anything else I would call them useless.
And why's that? What if my needs are different then yours?
What do i use my computer for? Internet, word proccessing, gaming (abit),
programming and emulation, my current machine allows me to do these things,
sowhat if i can't run word or internet exploiter, why should i?
Amon_Re
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From: "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:51:18 +0200
aflinsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Mike Marion wrote:
>
> >
> > Anyone that watches Futurama: Did you see the MST reference in the ep
where
> > Bender became an "Ultimate robot fighter?" In the theater they were
talking,
> > and it panned over to the shadow/silhouettes of Tom and Servo who told
them,
> > "Stop talking," "We're trying to watch the movie!"
>
> I liked the one where they did an x-ray shot of Bender. Turns out he
> is 6502 powered.
ROTFL! Bender Basic 64k by Commodore heheh <Grin>
Amon_Re
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From: "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 14:59:23 +0200
The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in
berichtnieuws > >
<cut>
Don't tell me, let me guess. You're also the type of people that think
> >any 'adult' that watches cartoons is automatically a complete idiot.
>
> Does Japanese anime count? :-)
I dunno, "legend of the overfiend" isn't something i would show to kids...
<grin>
I love Japanese Anime & Manga tho, to bad it's hard to get where i live :(
<cut>
Amon_Re
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From: "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:43:54 +0200
Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
>
> > bit of intelligence. Dan Simmons (one of my favorite authors, and
> > extremely intelligent) watches Mystery Science Theater 3000, and I don't
> > think anyone would claim that is hi-brow entertainment :-).
>
> Then again, MST3K is a show that you have to pay attention to, and often
think
> about what they've said to get obscure references and such. Which is one
> reason I love the show.
Have you ever read the MST's you can find on the internet? (based on
fanfiction)?
There are a few (badly written) ones on my website, and hunderds more
available on the 'net ;)
http://come.to/Amon_Re
>
> Then again, I love The Simpsons too, because they often sneak things into
> their episodes too.
Yea, like the episode where homer thinks Burns is an alien, if one pas
attention to it, you can see a bunch of kids playing the tune from "close
encounters of the third kind" :)
Amon_Re
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:52:01 -0400
javelina wrote:
>
> Jack Troughton wrote:
>
> > Sure, I'll keep that in mind; I think it would be fun to
> > play on an IRIX. Do you have any X software I can run?
> > I'd have to re-setup XFree86-OS/2, but for some of that
> > 3d stuff those IRIX's got, it'd be completely worth it (drool).
>
> Sorry, I don't do anything particularly exciting on
> Irix, no 3-D modeling, etc. My typical workday on the
> O2 is to launch a techno beat mp3, open up five or six
> xterms, ssh into various Irix, HP, and Solaris servers, and
> try to keep the users happy.
>
> I see printouts on the walls and cubicles around here
> as evidence that somebody is playing with some cool Irix
> 3D tools, but I've never done so myself.
>
> > Actually, my PC is a work of art, too, as well as being
> > a workhorse. Mind you, the art involved is different,
> > but... Built it myself, yadda yadda yadda, and works
> > very well for me. I have a lot of fun with my PC.
>
> I'd like to build a PC someday, but usually when I'm home
> the last thing I want to do is futz around with my computer.
It only takes about 60-120 minutes TOTAL time.
break it down into 10-15 minute chunks.
But the case
Buy a motherboard, cpu, and memory.
Put all of that in the case.
Keep buying more components and install as time permits
until the whole computer workds.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Zsolt Zsoldos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: seeking advice in distribution choice
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:01:29 GMT
Thanks for all the advice! Finally I decided to go with Mandrake
considering all the pros and cons. The installation went smoothly
did not have any hardware compatibility problems.
Mandrake actually recognised the SMP hardware and installed an
SMP kernel for them as default (also including the UP version for
failsafe boot).
Zsolt
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.education,alt.politics.reform,alt.rush-limbaugh,soc.culture.african.american,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Another Public Relation Gimmick from the"CompassionateConser...
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 11:58:41 -0400
Big_Don wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > You honestly think that if minimum wage
> > >was raised these bum would be able to
> > >get a dead end job(which is the only thing
> > >that suits their qualifications), and still be
> > >able to support themselves?
> >
> > The 1/3rd who are homeless because of poverty would be helped a lot by a
> > raise in the minimum wage. One of the fastest growing segment of the
> > homeless population are what is called the "working poor". These are
> > people who have jobs, even full time jobs, yet they are unable to afford
> > a home. They go to work, yet they live in the streets. I've met &
> > worked with 3 such people in my lifetime. Mind you, in many parts of
> > our country, the cost of rent alone can easily eat up more than half of
> > a person's paycheck, even if they have a full time minimum wage job.
>
> Earning the minimum wage as an adult is a consequence
> of a lifetime of bad decisions and poor planning. Starts
> with fucking off in school, decisions to abuse substances
> and commit crimes, irresponsible mating, lack of
> self-discipline, etc. Why should people who did it right
> have to pay for a bunch of screw-up parasites?
>
> They made their beds, let 'em sleep in 'em.....
>
> Big Don
> No LOOZerz~~~!@!~~~
I just wanted to see that again.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Ingemar Lundin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why doesnt SuSE and RedHat wait until later this autum?
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 16:11:00 GMT
What i meant was that to realese products that contains nothing more than
beta software for the same amount of money isnt going to get Linux to the
desktop, normal users would shy away from that kind of buggy distros AND
calling it version 7.0 would, - to a not so hardcore Linux user, appear to
be a major upgrade to the distro (and it isnt)
It would be more honest to called it a "Developers Release" AND charge much
less for it!
I havent seen a any major change to Linux for the past 1 1/2 year (kde 1.1,
glibc2x, kernel 2.2), now -for a movement that supposed to be so dynamic,
progress appears to be somewhat sluggish!
/IL
"goo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> They maybe motivated by greed but so what. You can get copies of them
>
> virtually free if you want.
>
>
> On Wed, 30 Aug 2000 03:25:31 GMT, "Ingemar Lundin"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >SuSE and RedHat will shortly release version 7 of their distros, but
(and
> >fell free to correct me if i am wrong), those will contain little or
nothing
> >new compared to the previous one.
> >
> >Kernel 2.4, KDE 2.0, GNOME 2.0 (or Helix or whatever...), will all be
> >released at least 2-3 months from now.
> >
> >I think it smells Remond style greed to release versions only to keep the
> >market going (ie. the money), and its not helping Linux to conquer the
> >desktop market.
> >
> >Realesing versions that for the last year basicaly havent changed at all
> >(last major upgrade was Kernel 2.2, KDE 1.1 and Gnome 1.0.something)
> >
> >/IL
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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