Linux-Advocacy Digest #196, Volume #26 Thu, 20 Apr 00 12:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: simply being open source is no guarantee of security. (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes.... ("LGFR")
Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert! (Chris Wenham)
Re: Unix is dead? (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: simply being open source is no guarantee of security. ("Chad Myers")
Re: .DLL not present in W2K, MICROSOFT GUILTY OF COVERUP! ("Chad Myers")
Re: DCOM versus CORBA, some history (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes.... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Windows2000 sale success.. ("boat_goat")
Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes.... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes.... (Linux Lover)
Re: Elian (abraxas)
Re: Unix is dead? (abraxas)
Re: Unix is dead? (abraxas)
Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes.... (Arint�)
Re: Corel Linux Office 2000 and Win32 Emulator Making Progress (James Jones)
Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes.... ("Rich C")
Re: Standard desktop... ("Rich C")
Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes.... ("Dan J. Smeski")
Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes.... ("Dan J. Smeski")
Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes.... ("Dan J. Smeski")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: simply being open source is no guarantee of security.
Date: 20 Apr 2000 14:05:49 GMT
In article <8dh73f$v45$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Truckasaurus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Making source code available to costumers"
But what do they do with it? Print it out (on a screen printer) and
turn it into clothing? :^)
(Sure, I'm making fun of a spelling mistake. But it was such a fun
one to make that I couldn't help myself...)
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- The small advantage of not having California being part of my country would
be overweighed by having California as a heavily-armed rabid weasel on our
borders. -- David Parsons <o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s>
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From: "LGFR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes....
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:37:06 +0100
Gateway GP7-600E
HP Deskjet 710C
Windoze 98 SE
Try to delete a PowerPoint print job before it finishes...
The machine crawls on like it usually does with these
effing WinPrinter things and never deletes the job until
you restart Windoze.
The conclusion Dan is:
"Your operating system is shit"
And can anyone tell me why installing a printer driver
requires a reboot of the machine anyway? Whatever
happened to M$'s much-heralded dynamically loadable
VxD's? Thank Grud for insmod...
LGFR
Dan J. Smeski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Your hardware is shit, that's why it crashed. I bet Linux would crash the
> same way.
> CG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > We installed a new network printer yesterday. Guess how many times my
> > "user friendly" windows 98 machine crashed in the process of
> > installing the new printer driver.
>
>
>
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From: Chris Wenham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert!
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:26:21 GMT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
On 4/19/00, 6:31:43 PM, "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote=20
regarding Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert!:
> > I run PageMaker - No Linux, or Be equivalent
> > I run QuarkXpress - No Linux, or Be equivalent
> > I run FrameMaker - No Linux, or Be equivalent
> > I run Adobe Illustrator - No Linux, or Be equivalent
> > I run Photoshop - Well, there's GIMP, but that's NO photoshop.
> > I run ViaVoice - No Linux, or Be equivalent
> > You get the picture.
> Yeah, you like proprietary software.
If non-proprietary software in the same class as the above exists, I=20
would really like to know what they are.
Regards,
Chris Wenham.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: Unix is dead?
Date: 20 Apr 2000 14:22:33 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chris Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I keep hearing "Unix is dead or will die soon." What can replace
> it? Linux? Linux is Unix.
I've been hearing of the imminent death of Unix for longer than the
imminent death of the 'net. My response has always been "What a lot
of life there is in this corpse!" followed by a yawn. The only way
that Unix will die is if someone comes up with something that is much
better than it while attracting the same crowd of supporters. It's
not happened yet. (Linux is not Unix in the same way that Porsches
are not vehicles.)
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- The small advantage of not having California being part of my country would
be overweighed by having California as a heavily-armed rabid weasel on our
borders. -- David Parsons <o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s>
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: simply being open source is no guarantee of security.
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:34:21 -0500
"Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8dn2rt$adr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <8dh73f$v45$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Truckasaurus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "Making source code available to costumers"
>
> But what do they do with it? Print it out (on a screen printer) and
> turn it into clothing? :^)
>
> (Sure, I'm making fun of a spelling mistake. But it was such a fun
> one to make that I couldn't help myself...)
However, it is a rather poignant faux-paus. Linux is similar to the
emporer's clothing =)
You can see everything, but it still leaves you out in the cold =)
<grin>
-Chad
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: .DLL not present in W2K, MICROSOFT GUILTY OF COVERUP!
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:41:28 -0500
For some reason, I'm not getting Charlie's posts, and I haven't even
killfiled him yet! (chumpy *nix nntp server)
Anyhow.. I'm going to answer his senseless banter through Stephen's post,
pardong the long-winded quotes, etc.
> Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> : Well Chad. As the press release indicates, Microsoft used this Illegal .DLL
to
> : FUD over thousands of Netscape Server sites running on Microsoft Operating
> : Systems.
There was no backdoor. Illegal DLL? Later, only after the WSJ printed the FUD,
was there a minor buffer overrun found. However, the "!seineew era..." string
was not a password, and NO ONE has yet successfully used it as a password to
obtain anything from a server with FP98 extensions.
> : As far as the password "NETSCAPEENGINEERSAREWEENIES" are concerned, I'm
going
> : to take it that you TOTALLY DENY THIS PHRASE
"NETSCAPEENGINEERSAREWEENIES"
> : ever appeared in any Microsoft code then! Is that correct Chad. Will you
> : DENY this for everybody.
I do deny that it said "NETSCAPEENGINEERSAREWEENIES" because it actually said
"!seineew era sreenigne epacsteN", and it still isn't a password or anything
of the sort, no matter how much you try to rationalize it to your ignorant
self.
> : Don't give me any more of your silly bullshit. Just DENY it was ever there!
Ah, so facts = bullshit in your silly little world, huh? Well, if facts =
bullshit
then I'm full of it.
> : Shit Chad. I've been writing WIN API since before you were probably born.
Oh yeah. SURRRRREEE....
-Chad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: DCOM versus CORBA, some history
Date: 20 Apr 2000 14:36:26 GMT
In article <8dismu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mike Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But let's face it: the biggest problem is that after seven or eight
> years of OLE and COM, I have yet to cut and paste anything more
> complex that simple text between applications from different vendors
> on my Unix box. OLE and COM may be poor implementations, as someone
> suggested here a few weeks ago, but they are here today, and huge
> numbers of Windows applications support them, and it's really cool
> to be able to stick drawings and spreadsheets and plots and data
> into my documents as objects.
I've been cutting and pasting complex graphics between apps on Unix
for years, even where those applications have been running on separate
machines in separate security domains. (OK, so I have not done it
across an encrypted link, but that'd definitely work too.)
The main reason that apps for X have not typically supported anything
other than plain text is the lack of agreement on how the data should
be represented. Which is an issue outside the Windows and Mac worlds.
Not that I'd say I've particularly missed being able to sling objects
around in my documents, I must admit. And yes, they do have plenty of
graphics and what-have-you in. Especially complicated mathematics;
one document I'm looking at now has a 19-line definition in it. While
objects do let you get "kewl" points, being able to produce the docs
in an understandable form once printed/put online gets you far more.
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- The small advantage of not having California being part of my country would
be overweighed by having California as a heavily-armed rabid weasel on our
borders. -- David Parsons <o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes....
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:48:12 GMT
On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 04:49:08 -0500, "Bobby D. Bryant"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>CG wrote:
>
>> We installed a new network printer yesterday. Guess how many times my
>> "user friendly" windows 98 machine crashed in the process of
>> installing the new printer driver.
>
>Those aren't crashes, they're, ummm... printer installation
>auto-reboots. Yeah. A user-friendliness feature -- saves you from
>having to do all those tedious installation reboots yourself.
>
>As for my guess... 3 ?
>
>And what's the prize for the first person to get it right?
>
>Bobby Bryant
>Austin, Texas
>
>
A new copy of Win2K retail value $288.60
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From: "boat_goat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows2000 sale success..
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:08:05 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8dlq9v$3qo$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <mh8L4.59287$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For two whole months,
> you're looking at single digit growth, i.e. at this rate it will be more
> than ten years before the existing NT base finishes upgrading to W2K.
>
How big do you think the installed base for NT4 actually is?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes....
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:57:54 GMT
On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:53:52 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Osugi Sakae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I am no expert, but shouldn't a decent OS be able to
>> handle "shit" hardware?
>
>#ifdef SHIT_HARDWARE
>#include <sys/shit_io.h>
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
ME AGREE!
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From: Linux Lover
Subject: Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes....
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:05:21 GMT
On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:57:54 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:53:52 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Osugi Sakae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I am no expert, but shouldn't a decent OS be able to
>>> handle "shit" hardware?
>>
>>#ifdef SHIT_HARDWARE
>>#include <sys/shit_io.h>
>>
>>
>>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>>Before you buy.
>
>ME AGREE!
ME two
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To:
alt.activism,alt.politics.communism,rec.games.video.misc,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose
Subject: Re: Elian
Date: 20 Apr 2000 15:32:43 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Michiel Buddingh' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:32:46 -0400, DGITC wrote:
>>
>> >That's not much of a problem, since the majority of Linux users are
>> >already Communist.
>>
>> Bullshit. Go back under your bridge, troll.
> Bullshit? Linux is one of the best examples of
> anarcho-communism
This is an oxymoron. It cannot exist.
=====yttrx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Subject: Re: Unix is dead?
Date: 20 Apr 2000 15:33:45 GMT
Chris Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I keep hearing "Unix is dead or will die soon."
This is not correct.
> What can replace it?
If it existed it probably would have by now.
> Linux?
No, not as such.
> Linux is Unix.
No, it isnt. Its a Unix-Like Operating system.
=====yttrx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Subject: Re: Unix is dead?
Date: 20 Apr 2000 15:35:42 GMT
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chris Williams wrote:
>>
>> I keep hearing "Unix is dead or will die soon."
>> What can replace it?
>> Linux?
>> Linux is Unix.
>>
>> Chris Williams
> Linux is not UNIX. One could say there is no such thing as UNIX anymore.
> We do, however, have a good number of UNIX-like operating systems that
> meet or come very close to the posix standard. *BSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD,
> FreeBSD are most likely the closest things to a real UNIX left.
Ignoring of course HP/UX, AIX, Sco and a whole host of Sys V Unices.
=====yttrx
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From: Arint� <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes....
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:30:05 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (CG) wrote:
> We installed a new network printer yesterday. Guess how many times my
> "user friendly" windows 98 machine crashed in the process of
> installing the new printer driver.
>
My guess would be 0. I have installed several printers on 98 and never
had to reboot or had a crash. Since, this is a linux NG is this
printer even supported by linux???
Thank God for the choices in OS I have. I use both of them when I have
time.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: James Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Corel Linux Office 2000 and Win32 Emulator Making Progress
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:54:18 -0500
mlw wrote:
> Actually I am less pessimistic about Wine than most. True, it will never
> be compliant with the latest and greatest versions of Windows, but it
> should be able to get to a stage where most applications should run.
I don't know about that...ask an OS/2 user about win32s sometime.
James Jones
Opinions herein are those of the author, and not necessarily those of
any organization.
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From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes....
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:47:59 -0400
"LGFR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Gateway GP7-600E
> HP Deskjet 710C
> Windoze 98 SE
>
> Try to delete a PowerPoint print job before it finishes...
> The machine crawls on like it usually does with these
> effing WinPrinter things and never deletes the job until
> you restart Windoze.
>
> The conclusion Dan is:
> "Your operating system is shit"
>
> And can anyone tell me why installing a printer driver
> requires a reboot of the machine anyway? Whatever
> happened to M$'s much-heralded dynamically loadable
> VxD's? Thank Grud for insmod...
>
Is the 710c a winprinter? It might be because the "driver" code must need to
get its hooks into the os somehow. I know that installing a REAL printer
driver like the LJ III, even over the network, DOESN'T require a reboot. Are
the Gateway machine and the printer machine running the same os and version?
I believe that when you install a network printer, the drivers come from the
printer machine, not from the installing machine's distribution. There might
be some kind of incompatibility???
-- Rich C.
"Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people."
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From: "Rich C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Standard desktop...
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:50:31 -0400
"Davorin Mestric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8dmbng$s2u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Osugi Sakae" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Thus, with free (aka open source) software, you are free to
> > change your hardware platform or your software company without
> > losing the applications you want to use.
>
>
> again, this is not tied to being open source. multiplatform and
> open source are two distinct properties.
>
The troll is right. However, open source promotes muliltplatform much more
than marketing hype and monopolistic bullying do.
-- Rich C.
"Great minds discuss ideas.
Average minds discuss events.
Small minds discuss people."
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From: "Dan J. Smeski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes....
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:44:35 -0500
No, just common sense.
Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Dan J. Smeski" wrote:
>
> > Your hardware is shit, that's why it crashed. I bet Linux would crash
the
> > same way.
> > CG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > We installed a new network printer yesterday. Guess how many times my
> > > "user friendly" windows 98 machine crashed in the process of
> > > installing the new printer driver.
>
> Let's see. You have no idea what printer or drivers were installed. You
> have absolutely no information on which to base your conclusion. Do you
> have ESP? Or do you simply assume that every problem is due to crappy
> hardware?
>
> Gary
>
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From: "Dan J. Smeski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes....
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:44:20 -0500
No Way! I am not MCSE... and I know that when you have crappy hardware, you
get crashes.
abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8dl8c2$20re$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Dan J. Smeski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Your hardware is shit, that's why it crashed. I bet Linux would crash
the
> > same way.
>
> You're an MCSE, arent you.
>
>
>
>
> -----yttrx
>
>
>
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From: "Dan J. Smeski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes....
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:52:32 -0500
Okay... I agree that Windows 98 is not a great operating system. I NEVER
said it was better than Linux. I think however that Windows NT is better
than Linux. I dual boot Corel Linux and NT, and certain web sites take
FOREVER to render in netscape and under 2 seconds in NT... stuff like that!
And yes, u will blame it on KDE, well I can blame many things on many
things, point is.. I want a system that works. I don't want to worry about
it. My exchange server is up for a year now without a re-boot, while my
Linux box at home that I use to share internet with goes down every month...
LGFR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Gateway GP7-600E
> HP Deskjet 710C
> Windoze 98 SE
>
> Try to delete a PowerPoint print job before it finishes...
> The machine crawls on like it usually does with these
> effing WinPrinter things and never deletes the job until
> you restart Windoze.
>
> The conclusion Dan is:
> "Your operating system is shit"
>
> And can anyone tell me why installing a printer driver
> requires a reboot of the machine anyway? Whatever
> happened to M$'s much-heralded dynamically loadable
> VxD's? Thank Grud for insmod...
>
> LGFR
>
> Dan J. Smeski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Your hardware is shit, that's why it crashed. I bet Linux would crash
the
> > same way.
> > CG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > We installed a new network printer yesterday. Guess how many times my
> > > "user friendly" windows 98 machine crashed in the process of
> > > installing the new printer driver.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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