Linux-Advocacy Digest #196, Volume #32           Wed, 14 Feb 01 19:13:03 EST

Contents:
  Re: The Windows guy. (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Linux and the 21st Century Boom - Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop 
("Mart van de Wege")
  Re: SGI XFS Installation Update (The Ghost In The Machine)
  Re: WindowsXP - Pay us to solve our bugs (Bloody Viking)
  Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls. (Bloody Viking)
  Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls. (Bloody Viking)
  Re: Linux Threat: non-existant (Bloody Viking)
  Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop (Bloody Viking)
  Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls. (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls. (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: Peformance Test ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Peformance Test ("Tom Wilson")
  Re: The Windows guy. (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50 (Aaron Kulkis)
  Re: La-Z-Boy and the Decline of Western Civilisation ("Tom Wilson")
  Re: Interesting article (.)
  Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: The Windows guy. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 17:38:56 -0500



Nigel wrote:
> 
> 
> > REAL soft links
> > REAL memory protected multi-tasking
> > REAL pipes
> > REAL multi-user capabilities
> > REAL remote usage
> >
> 
> Wow - didn't think of all of these. Bet the windows clones of unix tools
> can't use the output of one command as commandline parameters for next
> command.
> 
> Guess they'll miss the good old BSOD if they stop using windblows though.

Microshaft merely replaced the system call that displays the BSOD
with a software CPU Reset.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and the 21st Century Boom - Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the 
desktop
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:28:51 +0100

In article <97Ci6.515$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> I'm still not quite sure what you're looking for.  You're
> looking for an OEM to provide legal sworn testimony of "We have
> not been coerced by MS"?
> 
> What it boils down to is this, OEM's want every price advantage
> they can get when it comes to their competition.  Any testimony
> by an OEM would be viewed as MS giving that OEM financial
> incentives to do so.  I think MS rightfully didn't include any
> OEM testimony to avoid the appearance of that.
> 
> 
> 
Quite frankly: yes, that's exactly what I am looking for. 

 I do however see your dilemma here: it is impossible to prove
 that anyone saying anything positive about MS is doing so
 without financial incentive from MS in any form. Quite frankly
 MSs business practices have made it likely to assume that anyone
 speaking in their favour is somehow financially dependent on
 them, thus making any kind of MS advocacy in objective company
useless, let alone in biased company as here. It is however quite
easy to prove, with verifiable facts, that MS has screwed over *a
lot* of people and companies.

 This means that your MS apologism, although quite reasonably
 stated and obviously open to discussion, has given you a less
 than zero credibility in this newsgroup (and yes, I do admit
 that I took some of that bias in flaming you). Yet another thing
 to blame them for eh?

Mart

-- 
Happily running Debian, posting with Pan

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: SGI XFS Installation Update
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:47:25 GMT

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Tom Wilson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 wrote
on Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:59:00 GMT
<E4bi6.93$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>"Stuart Krivis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 04:47:21 GMT, Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >may have fixed it. Webmin is a far superior config tool, IMHO...
>>
>> vi is a far superior config tool. :-)
>
>If you're gonna be that way about it...
>Emacs rules! <g>

Either one beats EDLIN.EXE..... :-)
(or was it .COM?)


-- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191       9d:17h:18m actually running Linux.
                    Linux.  The choice of a GNU generation.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: WindowsXP - Pay us to solve our bugs
Date: 14 Feb 2001 22:47:06 GMT


pip ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

: Did I read this wrong or do you have to pay for beta software these
: days?

: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/preview/default.asp

Looks like you read it right. You get to pay for the beta of Windows Pay Per 
View. 

: What _is_ the world coming to?

An end. Won't be fast, like an asteroid hit, but a slow agonising collapse of 
civilisation as the fossil fuels run out. (see http://www.oilcrisis.com for 
details) 

--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls.
Date: 14 Feb 2001 22:50:54 GMT


Aaron Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

: Wouldn't it be...interesting...if Gates were to turn out to be a
: Scientologist.

Would be hilarious. A third parallel between the two companies is both 
maintain a standing army of very expensive lawyers and use the law to 
strong-arm people. 

--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls.
Date: 14 Feb 2001 22:54:37 GMT


SoneoneElse (SomeoneElse) wrote:

: Isn't that the region of the country where it started?

Don't know where Scn started but its H.Q. is in Clearwater Florida. The town 
was picked due to its name and as LRH moved in, it was with secret deals and 
other odd intrigue. See http://www.xenu.net for details about the cult. 

--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: 14 Feb 2001 22:59:10 GMT


Bob Hauck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

: Does this mean I can run slower and still use the same calories?

So long as you run the mile. 

--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bloody Viking)
Subject: Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop
Date: 14 Feb 2001 23:14:43 GMT


Aaron Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

: Which is why Gates has been fervently selling off his M$ stock for the
: last year and a half now.

Is he just stockpiling cash before Microsoft goes down in The Mother Of All 
Blue Screens Of Death? 

--
FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.

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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:16:56 -0500



Bloody Viking wrote:
> 
> Aaron Kulkis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
> : Wouldn't it be...interesting...if Gates were to turn out to be a
> : Scientologist.
> 
> Would be hilarious. A third parallel between the two companies is both
> maintain a standing army of very expensive lawyers and use the law to
                                                         ^^^
                                                      mis-use of
> strong-arm people.
> 
> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:17:44 -0500



Bloody Viking wrote:
> 
> SoneoneElse (SomeoneElse) wrote:
> 
> : Isn't that the region of the country where it started?
> 
> Don't know where Scn started but its H.Q. is in Clearwater Florida. The town
> was picked due to its name and as LRH moved in, it was with secret deals and
> other odd intrigue. See http://www.xenu.net for details about the cult.
> 

LRH  .. is that L Ron Hubbard

 or Linux, Red Hat ???


> --
> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Peformance Test
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:22:25 +0000

Todd wrote:
> 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:963ql9$i8f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > "Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> W2k will not work without a Video card and not a keyboard either.
> >
> > > Sorry, wrong on both accounts.  It's true that NT and W2k won't work
> without
> > > a video card *DRIVER*, but there are headless drivers available that are
> > > just NO OP's for headless operation.  Also, it runs fine without a
> keyboard.
> > > You have to make sure your BIOS is configured not to halt on keyboard
> errors
> > > though (one of the funniest errors ever.. "Keyboard missing, hit F1 to
> > > continue")
> >
> > If by funny, you mean "pathetic", youre quite right.
> >
> > Also, dont unplug your mouse and then plug it back in and expect it to
> work.
> 
> Ummm... I do this all of the time with no problem... I am using a MS optical
> mouse though... are other mice a problem?
> 
> -Todd
> 
No wonder you seem to know jack shit!  If all you do is unplug and plug
back in a mouse, it's no surprise you're a prat!
-- 
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:26:35 +0000

Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > jtnews wrote:
> > >
> > > I just saw a news piece on Windows XP!
> > > Microsoft claims that it can run for days
> > > without crashing!  Anyone have any real
> > > world experience with Windows XP?
> > > Is it really reliable?
> > >
> > > I already have 5 PC's at home all running
> > > Linux.  I don't see why I need a new OS.
> >
> > Well it's probably an improvement if they can use days as a sensible
> > uptime unit!
> 
> Of course...Microsoft keeps time in Dog-hours.
> 
LOL!  Seriously though, do you think M$ can keep a system up that long
even using Dog-hours?
-- 
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:32:35 +0000

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 08:48:31 +0000, Edward Rosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> 64 bits operating systems are extreme overkill (have you any idea how
> >> big 2^64
> >> is?) for anything but corporate databases... *large* corporate
> >> databases.
> >
> >32 bits are underkill. 64 bits is the next logical step.
> >
> >2x as wide bus, 2x as much data per clock cycle.
> >
> >IA64 runs IA32 code like a P100, so they really, really need a 64 bit
> >OS in order to run at a decent speed.
> 
> The pentium already pushes aroun 64 bits at a time.  The vax, another 32
> bit machine, had a 128 memory bus.
> 
> You don't need 64 bit registers and a 64 bit ALU to have such a data bus.
> 
Do you have any idea what you are talking about?  64 bits is not about
need, it;s about want!  Apps will soon manage to find a use for 64
bits.  Mathematicians will be glad of it.  And of course corporate
databases.  Not to maention games...
-- 
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:36:10 +0000

Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> 
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > At this rate, AMD is going to eat Intel for breakfast.
> > :-))))))))
> 
> Intel realizes they can't compete with AMD today, though they do have a new
> version of the PIII coming out later in the year which will take much better
> advantage of DDR and RDRAM, and when the "real" Pentium 4 (currently code
> named NorthWood) starts shipping later in the year, it will put AMD in quite
> a squeeze.
> 
> When I say "real" pentium 4, I mean what the P4 was supposed to be.  The P4
> was rushed out the door to compete with AMD and they disabled all the
> features that weren't finished yet, causing it to be the mess that it is.
> When the real one goes out the door, AMD should be shivering in their boots.

cobblers.  AMD INVARIABLY put out chips which outperform Intel.  And
this won't change with the P4.
-- 
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club

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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Peformance Test
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:31:07 GMT


"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9647u6$cbi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bob Hauck"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 10 Feb 2001 09:33:13 GMT, Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>As far as headless drivers go, you're right. They're easy as all get out
> >>to write, too.
> >
> > You just have to be careful to not run any software that pops up a
> > dialog box and won't proceed until you click "ok".  It is unfortunate
> > that some of the stuff that comes with NT does this.  That's why there
> > is a special "embedded" version, where a daemon will click the button
> > for you.
>
> Really?
>
> Ugly hack, if you ask me.
>

Ugly hacks are what Windows programming is all about.





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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:34:57 -0500



mlw wrote:
> 
> Mike wrote:
> >
> > "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > I got a co-worker that is big into Windows. He complains that Windows has
> > all
> > > the tools he needs and Linux is too primitive. He is sure that Windows
> > does all
> > > he needs.
> > >
> > > He is working on a Linux web server. He wants to do a global replace in
> > VI. I
> > > tell him to use sed. He whines a bit, then tries it. I hear from his cube.
> > > "Sweet!"
> > >
> > > Just a few more incidents like this and he will start to think his Windows
> > > platform isn't so easy to use.
> > >
> > > The people that say Windows is easier to use haven't put the effort in to
> > > learning some simple tools. Like a person that has an adjustable open-end
> > > wrench and knows nothing about socket wrenches. Life is simpler with one
> > > wrench, sure, but work is easier with a wide selection of tools.
> >
> > Windows is easier to use. And, I have all those things on my Windows machine
> > (vim, awk, sed, etc, etc) - and so should your coworker (if he's any good at
> > tracking these things down, he will have in a few days). So, then what?
> 
> The tools that are common place on UNIX/Linux are not common under Windows,
> because most Windows users avoid learning other paradigms.
> 
> How often to we see stuff on download.com that attempts to do something on
> Windows that is already a mainstay on UNIX?

Worse than that....90% of the stuff on windows download sites are:

Tired of the standard M$ 4-sided wheel?
Replace it with my shareware 6-sided wheel!

> 
> Having something available and being aware of it, are two very different
> things.
> 
> --
> http://www.mohawksoft.com

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 18:35:01 -0500



Mike wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 9:23 AM
> Subject: Re: 10.8 Terabytes of storage for $50
> 
> > > I'll bet you don't know how your data is really stored on your disk, do
> you?
> >
> > It's not compressed unless I specify that it be compressed.
> >
> > 1-bit errors STAY 1-bit errors, unless I explicitly compress the file.
> 
> You don't know what you're talking about.
> 
> Before we get to that, though, let's spell things out. The error cases here
> can be summed up as follows:
> 
> Compression:
> C1: Data -> Error -> Compress -> Decompress : No error propagation
> C2: Data -> Compress -> Error -> Decompress : Errors may propagate
> 
> Disk drive:
> D1: Data -> Error -> Write to Disk -> Read Back : No error propagation
> D2: Data -> Write to Disk -> Error -> Read Back : Errors may propagate
> 
> You can't compare C1 to D2 or C2 to D1, because you're inserting errors in
> different places. But, you can compare C1 to D1, which is kind of pointless
                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> (they return what was put in, just like you'd expect), or C2 to D2. I'm not
                                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^

Which is what I was doing.

Obsheesh:  Sheesh!

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" remX-Mozilla-Status: 0009r's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: La-Z-Boy and the Decline of Western Civilisation
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:34:18 GMT


"Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> > "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:969f2s$pj2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > I'd hate to see what would happen if someone hacked into the chair and
> > > gained full controll.
> > >
> >
> > Pray for KY Jelly....<g>
> >
> > This thread is getting very silly....
>
> In a similar, but no less silly, vein....
>
>     http://slashdot.org/articles/01/02/13/1649203.shtml
>
> Make sure you read the EULA while standing.
>

LOL





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From: . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:39:54 +1300

> >    "The World Wide Web Publishing Service terminated unexpectedly.
> >      It has done this 454 time(s). The following corrective action will be
> >      taken in 60000 milliseconds: Restart the service.
> 
> Sorry Les.  It doesn't ever say that.  The IIS error strings are documented
> on MSDN. Go look em up.

I went and looked it up in Technet.  You can see a similar message for 
yourself in KB articles Q255759, Q272129, Q258073.  Each time the error 
refers to a different service, so it is quite obviously a stock windows 
error, which can be applied to any service.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:42:00 +0000

Todd wrote:
> 
> "Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > 2000 is pretty darn stable.  I've had almost zero problems with it, and
> it
> > > runs DirectX 8 !  What more could you ask for?  hehe... I know I'm gonna
> get
> > > quite a few responses here... :)
> >
> > Seriously, I think it should be priced a lot lower.  If they'd have priced
> it
> > around $99, I would be running it now.  $199 is ridiculous, although the
> OS
> > is probably decent.  (I'll never find out with a price that high.)  MS
> really
> > could've had a hot one on their hands, if only they'd set the ceiling to
> > something more reasonable, like $99.  More reasonable software pricing
> > translates into more sales and less boot-legging.  MS has a way of
> screwing
> > themselves over a lot of times...
> 
> Hmmm... I wonder how much the consumer version of XP is gonna run?  If they
> charge more than $99, it's gonna be a tough upgrade.
> 
> -Todd
> 
Given what I'm paying for Linux, Windoze ought to be about $10.  That's
working proportionally on the number of CDs in the distro.  If I factor
in the usefulness, the MS should pay ME!
-- 
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:43:36 +0000

mlw wrote:
> 
> I got a co-worker that is big into Windows. He complains that Windows has all
> the tools he needs and Linux is too primitive. He is sure that Windows does all
> he needs.
> 
> He is working on a Linux web server. He wants to do a global replace in VI. I
> tell him to use sed. He whines a bit, then tries it. I hear from his cube.
> "Sweet!"
> 
> Just a few more incidents like this and he will start to think his Windows
> platform isn't so easy to use.
> 
> The people that say Windows is easier to use haven't put the effort in to
> learning some simple tools. Like a person that has an adjustable open-end
> wrench and knows nothing about socket wrenches. Life is simpler with one
> wrench, sure, but work is easier with a wide selection of tools.
> 
> --
> http://www.mohawksoft.com

The basic tools under Linux are harder to learn, but when you have have,
life is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo easy
-- 
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club

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