Linux-Advocacy Digest #200, Volume #26 Thu, 20 Apr 00 21:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Solaris (was Re: Windows 2000 etc.) (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Standard desktop... (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Standard desktop... (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Standard desktop... (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Elian (Cybrinjn)
Re: at the risk of ignorance...a little too late for that (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert! (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Solaris (was Re: Windows 2000 etc.) (abraxas)
Re: Elian (Tim Kelley)
Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes.... (TNT)
Re: Solaris (was Re: Windows 2000 etc.) (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Elian (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Standard desktop... (Osugi Sakae)
Re: Why Linux on the desktop? (Christopher Browne)
Re: 2000: Hammer blows to the Micro$oft machine! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Solaris (was Re: Windows 2000 etc.)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:51:28 GMT
On 19 Apr 2000 18:43:17 GMT, abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Andrew M. Kuchling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas) writes:
>>> Sun has no problem selling solaris without GNU or GNU-like utilities.
>>> The people that buy solaris generally have different uses in mind than
>>> people who consistently use linux.
>
>> *blink* And buggy tools are appropriate for these uses for Solaris?
>> So if sed occasionally mangles a file, that's perfectly OK?
>
>Buggy bits are part of all operating systems. Sun fixed Sed, and if you
>wanted to fix it yourself at any time along the line, you could have
>very, very easily.
>
>>> Again, people dont use solaris for the same reasons they use linux.
>>> Sun has no problems distributing their operating system with a fixed-
>>> buffered sed.
>
>> The bug I described doesn't seem to be present in Solaris 2.7, so it
>> was reported and someone at Sun fixed it; Sun apparently does have
>> problems distributing their operating system with a fixed-buffered
>> sed.
>
>And Linus seems to have a problem distributing his kernel with non-brain-
>dead scheduling. Bill has a problem distributing windows as something
So? The fact remains that various amenities remain free for the
taking. Sun only has to get over it's NIH attitude and bundle
them with the core OS.
[deletia]
While fixing a kernel is no trivial matter, adding a few GNU
tools is. Thus, Sun has less of an excuse not to do so.
--
It is not the advocates of free love and software
that are the communists here , but rather those that |||
advocate or perpetuate the necessity of only using / | \
one option among many, like in some regime where
product choice is a thing only seen in museums.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Standard desktop...
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:54:51 GMT
On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:58:42 +0200, Davorin Mestric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>so, how is this a property of open source? try using your KDE settings on
>anything that is not KDE.
>
>what is your point?
He can make KDE run on any platform he likes. He can even get
rid of the QT cruft that might interfere with a BeOS or MacOS
port. You can't do that with progman or explorer.
>
>> Try to run the MS desktop on anything else but MS product.
>>
>>
>> In article <8dkfrr$4ja$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> "Davorin Mestric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > how does this show something about open-source, since it is possible
>> > with close soure solutions, too. i don't follow your logic...
>> >
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > but, I hate CDE. Well, I installed KDE on the Sun and (Drum roll,
>> > > please) ta'da, I have MY standard desktop across the two different
>> > > platforms. The home directories are the same (mounted NFS) so all
>> the
>> > > desktop configurations follow me. I know many people do not like KDE
>> > or
>> > > GUI's but, I think this shows how the Open-Source model can be a
>> > > powerful, unifying force in the computer industry.
>
>
>
--
It is not the advocates of free love and software
that are the communists here , but rather those that |||
advocate or perpetuate the necessity of only using / | \
one option among many, like in some regime where
product choice is a thing only seen in museums.
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Standard desktop...
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:57:57 GMT
On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:01:08 +0200, Davorin Mestric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>yes, internet explorer is an user interface. you can write applications for
>it. you can produce complete programs in it without touching any of the
>native gdi controls. it has an api, it is very extensible and configurable.
>it can also be a reporting tool and a shell (ie4). yes, internet explorer
>is the next generation user interface for windows.
>
>what qualities in an user interface are you looking for that are not
>available in internet explorer? what is your definition of an user
>interface?
Runs on BeOS.
Runs on Solaris Intel.
Runs on OS/2.
>
>davorin
>
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8dnoem$972$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Are you claiming that Explorer is a USER INTERFACE????? < Snicker >
>
>> The only OS's that Explorer (AN APPLICATION) are ported to are OS's that
>> MS ports them to. The MS Windows (THE USER INTERFACE) is NOT ported to
>> any other platforms NOT EVEN TO OTHER MS OS'es. KDE (A USER INTERFACE)
>> can be ported to ANY OS by ANYONE with enough skills. The point is, KDE
>> (USER INTERFACE) can move faster and farther than can the MS desktop
>> (USER INTERFACE). Explorer is NOT A DESKTOP (USER INTERFACE)!
>>
>
>
>
--
It is not the advocates of free love and software
that are the communists here , but rather those that |||
advocate or perpetuate the necessity of only using / | \
one option among many, like in some regime where
product choice is a thing only seen in museums.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Standard desktop...
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:56:17 GMT
On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:50:31 -0400, Rich C <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Davorin Mestric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:8dmbng$s2u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "Osugi Sakae" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Thus, with free (aka open source) software, you are free to
>> > change your hardware platform or your software company without
>> > losing the applications you want to use.
>>
>>
>> again, this is not tied to being open source. multiplatform and
>> open source are two distinct properties.
>>
>
>The troll is right. However, open source promotes muliltplatform much more
>than marketing hype and monopolistic bullying do.
IOW: How are you going to be fully multiplatform if the users aren't
able to ensure that their pet platform is infact supported despite of
lack of interest from a commercial vendor such as Troll, Sun or Apple?
--
It is not the advocates of free love and software
that are the communists here , but rather those that |||
advocate or perpetuate the necessity of only using / | \
one option among many, like in some regime where
product choice is a thing only seen in museums.
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cybrinjn)
Crossposted-To:
alt.activism,alt.politics.communism,rec.games.video.misc,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose
Subject: Re: Elian
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:14:34 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 20 Apr 2000 12:47:48 -0600, Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Michiel Buddingh' wrote:
>> >
>> > Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:32:46 -0400, DGITC wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >That's not much of a problem, since the majority of Linux users are
>> > > >already Communist.
>> > >
>> > > Bullshit. Go back under your bridge, troll.
>> >
>> > Bullshit? Linux is one of the best examples of
>> > anarcho-communism the world has ever seen.
>>
>> Except that we like to make money. Actually, I think it is interesting.
>> Linux is sort of a farm cooperative, or native american sort of thing.
>> We build stuff in cooperative groups as a community, but use the stuff
>> that we build for a capitalistic endeavor.
>
>Oh dear. Does this mean we're going to have to start scalping our
>neighboring tribes and implement mass human sacrifice now? :)
Uh... I think he said _Native American_, NOT Celtic tribes.
The CyberInjun
>
> [snip]
>
>--
>The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
>Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: rec.games.roguelike.nethack
Subject: Re: at the risk of ignorance...a little too late for that
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:17:22 GMT
On 20 Apr 2000 23:01:25 GMT, David Steinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Karl Knechtel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>: The whole idea of something being "in your path" is easily one of the
>: three least intuitive things about *n?x I've run into...
Bullocks. This is merely a case of 'unintuitive' being defined
as something other than the way DOS does things. Ask a complete
novice whether or not they would expect a computer to be able to
find Netscape or Msword by itself it the machine were voice
activated and merely told to run the app.
Betcha the novice would expect the computer to know where it's apps
are stored.
>
>Funny, I didn't have a problem with it since it is so similar to the DOS
>concept. The only thing to get used to, already mentioned, is that it's
>not hardcoded anywhere to try the current directory before the path. If
>you want to try the current directory as part of the path, you add a . to
>the path. This increases your fexibility: you can chose not to try the
>current directory, to try it before the rest of the path (PATH=".:$PATH"),
>to try it after the rest of the path (PATH="$PATH:."), or to try it at any
>point in between.
[deletia]
--
It is not the advocates of free love and software
that are the communists here , but rather those that |||
advocate or perpetuate the necessity of only using / | \
one option among many, like in some regime where
product choice is a thing only seen in museums.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Become a Windows Registry Expert!
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:18:24 GMT
On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:41:23 GMT, George Graves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>>George Graves wrote:
>>>
>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >George Graves wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marty
>>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >George Graves wrote:
[deletia]
>>> >It's called "software" I think.
>>>
>>> There just isn't enough of it for most people to get any work done.
>>
>>Let's leave that up to "most people" to decide for themselves.
>
>They have. "most people" chose Windows, the rest chose Mac.
No, most people just gets what gets pushed to them in retail
establishments and by advertisements. For the last decade that
has been predominantly WinDOS.
--
It is not the advocates of free love and software
that are the communists here , but rather those that |||
advocate or perpetuate the necessity of only using / | \
one option among many, like in some regime where
product choice is a thing only seen in museums.
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Subject: Re: Solaris (was Re: Windows 2000 etc.)
Date: 20 Apr 2000 23:27:06 GMT
JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>And Linus seems to have a problem distributing his kernel with non-brain-
>>dead scheduling. Bill has a problem distributing windows as something
> So? The fact remains that various amenities remain free for the
> taking. Sun only has to get over it's NIH attitude and bundle
> them with the core OS.
Again, why? Because a few linvocates who are probably better off not
trying to understand the finer points of solaris WANT them to?
Solaris is *not* open source. It is *not* a community effort. It is
a commercial unix package.
You are getting the two confused. What you are doing is akin to expecting
a Hummer beat a porche carrera 4 in a flat quarter mile, or a porche
carrera 4 to be able to drive through two feet of mud.
> [deletia]
> While fixing a kernel is no trivial matter, adding a few GNU
> tools is. Thus, Sun has less of an excuse not to do so.
It actually isnt.
=====yttrx
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From: Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.activism,alt.politics.communism,rec.games.video.misc,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose
Subject: Re: Elian
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:27:33 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
abraxas wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Michiel Buddingh' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:32:46 -0400, DGITC wrote:
> >>
> >> >That's not much of a problem, since the majority of Linux users are
> >> >already Communist.
> >>
> >> Bullshit. Go back under your bridge, troll.
>
> > Bullshit? Linux is one of the best examples of
> > anarcho-communism
>
> This is an oxymoron. It cannot exist.
Sure it can, you are confusing communism with marxism; of course anarchists are
opposed to any Marxism, but there are anarcho-communists, which really aren't
any diffeent from plain old anarchists.
--
Tim Kelley
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Guess How Many Windows Crashes....
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (TNT)
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:42:08 GMT
On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:44:20 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dan J. Smeski) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>No Way! I am not MCSE... and I know that when you have crappy hardware, you
>get crashes.
In this case, crappy hardware is definitely not an issue. And it's a supprise
(maybe not) a Windows lover doesn't know of a *feature* of Win98 which is
crash during printer install. Bill Gate himself demonstrated this feature
couple of years ago. There's a video clip of the demonstration still staying
around. Watching it along a Bill's saying "MS products have no bugs" makes a
very good laugh...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Solaris (was Re: Windows 2000 etc.)
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:06:48 GMT
On 20 Apr 2000 23:27:06 GMT, abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>And Linus seems to have a problem distributing his kernel with non-brain-
>>>dead scheduling. Bill has a problem distributing windows as something
>
>> So? The fact remains that various amenities remain free for the
>> taking. Sun only has to get over it's NIH attitude and bundle
>> them with the core OS.
>
>Again, why? Because a few linvocates who are probably better off not
>trying to understand the finer points of solaris WANT them to?
It has nothing to do with the 'finer points' of Solaris actually.
It's not like we're talking about removing the Sun kernel or some
such.
>
>Solaris is *not* open source. It is *not* a community effort. It is
>a commercial unix package.
So? That doesn't mean it can't exploit common efforts. Infact,
Sun was started as an effect of 'common effort'. They just choose
not to explicitly acknowledge other similar efforts by outsiders
these days.
>
>You are getting the two confused. What you are doing is akin to expecting
>a Hummer beat a porche carrera 4 in a flat quarter mile, or a porche
>carrera 4 to be able to drive through two feet of mud.
No, you are the one that is actually quite confused.
[deletia]
--
It is not the advocates of free love and software
that are the communists here , but rather those that |||
advocate or perpetuate the necessity of only using / | \
one option among many, like in some regime where
product choice is a thing only seen in museums.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
alt.activism,alt.politics.communism,rec.games.video.misc,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose
Subject: Re: Elian
Date: 20 Apr 2000 20:27:19 -0400
On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:02:59 GMT, Cihl wrote:
>Communism:
>The idea of communism is to have a highly centralized
>distribution of means of production. Production is often
Wrong. The means of production are shared but needn't be centralized
( though in practice usually are. )
>Production means (the source code, if you will) are highly
>decentralized.
The means of production are a shared resource in the case of Linux.
This would seem to be consistent with communist goals.
The big difference is that participation in the Linux community is
voluntary, while communist regimes tend to forcefully disposses
their citizens.
--
Donovan
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Subject: Re: Standard desktop...
From: Osugi Sakae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:24:35 -0700
In article <8dmbng$s2u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Davorin Mestric"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Osugi Sakae" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Thus, with free (aka open source) software, you are free to
>> change your hardware platform or your software company without
>> losing the applications you want to use.
>
>
> again, this is not tied to being open source.
multiplatform and
>open source are two distinct properties.
>
>
You are right, they are distinct. I thought I made it clear in
the rest of my post (the parts you snipped), however, that many
open source programs have been ported to multiple platforms.
They were ported because they are open source and thus anyone
with the time and skill to port a program can do so. Proprietary
programs on the other hand only get ported if the owning company
has a reason (usually but not always profit) to port it. As a
result, my _guess_ is that there are more open source cross-
platform programs available than there are proprietary cross-
platform programs.
Like the original poster said, one can switch from ibm pc /
intel hardware to Sun hardware and have the same desktop
environment available. This is currently not possible with the
Windows or Mac desktop environments.
Osugi Sakae
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Why Linux on the desktop?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:35:17 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Sascha Bohnenkamp would say:
>> Treating "pure SQL" as "Turing equivalent" probably requires some
>> moderately perverse "programming," as it doesn't directly, I don't
>> think, provide what you'd consider a "loop."
>
>the problem with turing-complete and SQL is, that SQL does not provide
>recursion. (I mean the current std.)
That's _not_ a problem.
Turing machines, in the _classical_ definitions, do not provide
recursion either. They are basically state machines attached to a
tape.
Recursion is a convenient tool for many purposes; it is pretty
fundamental to the "lambda calculus" approach to computing. But if it
may be simulated, that's good enough.
Simulating recursion in SQL might "look somewhat perverse." That's
OK; TECO provides "Turing equivalence," and _all_ TECO code looks
rather perverse:
! t: macro to update date, time (mm/dd/yy hh.mm format) !
@^ut~[0 [1 [#
1^q,1@:s#dd/dd/dd#"s
^sc .u0 u1 zj @i#@fr%#
(q1&511)/32\ ^s+1"e 1r @i#0# 1c' @i#/#
(q1&31)\ ^s+1"e 1r @i#0# 1c' @i#/#
(q1/512)\ ^s+1"e 1r @i#0# 1c' @i#%#
z-13,zx0 z-13,zk q0j @s## m0 '
0l 1^q,1@:s#dd.dd#"s
^sc .u0 ^Hu1 zj @i#@fr%#
q1/1800\ ^s+1"e 1r @i#0# 1c' @i#.#
(q1 - ((q1/1800) * 1800))/30\ ^s+1"e 1r @i#0# 1c' @i#%#
z-10,zx0 z-10,zk q0j @s## m0 '
]# ]1 ]0
~
0uz
or, for something "more entertaining:"
<http://home.wxs.nl/~faase009/HaPi_TECO_macro.html>
Stanley Rabinowitz wrote a TECO macro for calculating pi in any number
of decimals...
Try this TECO macro. If you use some other editor, you should be able
to translate this to your editor's macro support, unless your editor
has less functionality than a 30-year old editor for much smaller and
slower machines than you are likely to be using.
GZ0J\UNQN"E 40UN ' BUH BUV HK
QN< J BUQ QN*10/3UI
QI< \+2*10+(QQ*QI)UA B L K QI*2-1UJ QA/QJUQ
QA-(QQ*QJ)-2\ 10@I// -1%I >
QQ/10UT QH+QT+48UW QW-58"E 48UW %V ' QV"N QV^T ' QWUV QQ-(QT*10)UH >
QV^T @^A/
/HKEX$$
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: 2000: Hammer blows to the Micro$oft machine!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:37:28 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Norman D. Megill would say:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> TeX - highly flexible, but not WYSIWYG -- but then, WYSIWYG might be
>> slightly overrated
>
>I disagree. TeX may be the ONLY true WYSIWYG. I suppose what you mean
>is that the ASCII source obviously doesn't look like the rendered
>result; but neither does RTF nor HTML source. With TeX/LaTeX most
>people prefer to work with the ASCII source, since it gives them a great
>deal of flexibility, but there are packages like Lyx that let you work
>directly with the rendering, like you do with Word.
People writing _magazines,_ doing _display copy,_ tend to prefer things
like Quark and Pagemaker.
Don't get me wrong; I approve _very much_ of TeX. I have been using
TeX and LaTeX for many years, and am in fact a TUG member.
There are <a href= "http://www.hex.net/cbbrowne/document.html#SECT2"> many
reasons to like TeX. </a>
The notion that it's "WYSIWYG" at preparation time is _not_ one of those
reasons.
>OTOH, MS Word breaks pages differently depending on your printer type or
>Word service pack number, which can drive you nuts trying to discuss a
>Word document over the phone. My copy might have 42 pages; hers has 44;
>so "the last paragraph on p. 33" becomes meaningless. In a number of
>instances I've resorted to FAXing the physical printed Word document to
>relevant parties so that a meaningful phone discussion can take place.
dvi has properties that are, indeed, attractive. That doesn't make
it WYSIWYG.
>TeX painstakingly follows established typesetting standards, unlike
>Word. Its output looks like a fine professionally typeset book, rather
>than the cheap office-memo/marketing-flyer look of a printed Word
>document. If you show someone an office memo written in TeX they often
>do a double-take, seeing there's "something different" about it, and
>tend to be impressed.
On the other hand, those of us that spent time doing mathematics find:
a) The fact that few have bothered to improve on the _beginnings_ of
document styles provided by Leslie Lamport, and
b) The oh-too-common use of the same CMR font sets over and over again
somewhat irritating.
Not to say that the fonts are horrible, as it is clear that considerable
effort went into them. Rather, there should be greater selections of
fonts in use. And the default LaTeX document styles have _LONG_ been
pretty ugly...
>There are no known bugs in TeX, and probably there are no bugs period.
On the other hand, nobody uses Just TeX. Even Knuth doesn't use raw TeX;
he layers on plain.tex. Others layer on other layers on top, and while
the engine underneath may be Rather Robust, that doesn't guarantee
attractive results when lplain or nfss themselves add new layers of
potential bugs.
>The last release by Knuth (who will pay you if you find a bug) was many
>years ago and it will probably never be changed again. It is truly a
>masterpiece, probably the most "bug-free" piece of sophisticated
>software ever written. Nearly all professional scientific journals (at
>least in physics/math) now require their authors to submit papers in
>LaTeX, and anyone foolish enough to send in a Word document will have
>their paper politely rejected.
I've heard contrary reports; there seems to be an ample mixture of
pro-TeX and pro-Word publications out there.
And if you examine the production notes for TUGboat, you'll find that
there is considerable difficulty in integrating documents from many
sources together, what with the varying macro sets that different
authors cobble on top of TeX.
--
"A good system can't have a weak command language." -- Alan Perlis
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Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
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