Linux-Advocacy Digest #200, Volume #32 Wed, 14 Feb 01 23:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: To Aaron (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Interesting article (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Craig Kelley)
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Craig Kelley)
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: KDE Whiners ("Tom Wilson")
Re: linux is dieing (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) (spam)
Re: I just realized why Google bought Deja.com (David Fox)
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Aaron Kulkis)
Re: Interesting article (spam)
Re: Interesting article (Aaron Kulkis)
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:48:12 -0500
Marten Kemp wrote:
>
> Charlie Ebert wrote:
> <<snip>>
> >
> > When you compare the development cycle between Intel and AMD,
> > AMD is not hindered by secret contracts with Microsoft.
> >
> > If anything, you will hear a slosh in the boots of Intel as they
> > walk away from the next encounter from AMD.
> >
> > If I was the president of Intel, I would tell MS to just fuck off.
> >
> > --
> > Charlie
> What secret contracts? Special opcodes they only tell Microsoft about?
MS tells them what opcodes they want Intel to implement....or something.
> -- Marten Kemp
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: To Aaron
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:49:48 -0500
Todd wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:96ecs3$ikb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Ok,
> >
> > > So check out www.tkpowers.com now... you will see that I have finally
> > > *PROVEN* you wrong...
> >
> > > I am not Todd Needleham from MS or whoever...
> >
> > > So, now that the facts are put out in front of you, will you be a man
> and
> > > admit you were wrong?
> >
> > > The fate of Linux advocates rests in your hands...
> >
> > What the fuck does what he typed have to do with anyone or anything else?
>
> Actually, I was just joking there...
Don't quit your day job....
>
> > You may not be that todd needleham person, but you are beyond the shadow
> > of a doubt a complete moron.
>
> You linux advocates are getting a wee bit too serious...
>
> -Todd
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----.
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 03:51:11 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>Mike Byrns wrote:
>>
>> Such weighty content Aaron ;-) UNIX doesn't really "develop". It's an old
>> picture from the 60s that was done developing long ago. Now it's in
>> maintenance mode -- striving to keep up as new hardware and technologies
>> surface. I've seen very little development in the core BSD tools since
>> Stallman's days. Oh, I know, it's because they are PERFECT now ;-) I get
>> it -- NOT!
Linux is gaining popularity rapidly because of these facts.
#1. Linux is building a Graphical Unix which people like.
#2. Linux is being developed under the GPL which guarantees
the source code will remain free and unhindered from proprietary
protocals which lock user bases into anything.
#3. Since Linux is open source and free, nobody can write any
secret backdoors into the OS like with Windows.
#4. Since Linux is open source, the quality of the OS is
much higher than with Windows as it has a larger peer
review base.
#5. Linux is modeled after Unix so it's extremely efficient
with computer resources.
#6. Since Linux IS GPL'ed code, it actually promotes code
development by building on past sucesses. Windows
is a proprietary OS which much change from version
to version to maintain seperation between Microsoft
and the rest of the code producing vendors. This
is what gives Microsoft a lead on all it's vendors.
Linux is FREE, so the possibility of one team having
a lead over another is impossible. The code is open
and free and any code improvements to any one area
of the system can be shared by all.
Thus, Linux is growing where Windows is just being
re-written. Linux wins the war.
>
>I see we have another troll to pick up where Chad leaves off.
--
Charlie
**DEBIAN** **GNU**
/ / __ __ __ __ __ __ __
/ /__ / / / \/ / / /_/ / \ \/ /
/_____/ /_/ /_/\__/ /_____/ /_/\_\
http://www.debian.org
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: 14 Feb 2001 20:55:54 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Given what I'm paying for Linux, Windoze ought to be about $10. That's
> working proportionally on the number of CDs in the distro. If I factor
> in the usefulness, the MS should pay ME!
Gives Windows ME a whole new meaning.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: 14 Feb 2001 20:57:24 -0700
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > At this rate, AMD is going to eat Intel for breakfast.
> > :-))))))))
>
> Intel realizes they can't compete with AMD today, though they do have a new
> version of the PIII coming out later in the year which will take much better
> advantage of DDR and RDRAM, and when the "real" Pentium 4 (currently code
> named NorthWood) starts shipping later in the year, it will put AMD in quite
> a squeeze.
>
> When I say "real" pentium 4, I mean what the P4 was supposed to be. The P4
> was rushed out the door to compete with AMD and they disabled all the
> features that weren't finished yet, causing it to be the mess that it is.
> When the real one goes out the door, AMD should be shivering in their boots.
So you're a Microsoft *and* an Intel apologist?
What do you think about McDonald's? :)
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 03:57:42 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm... I wonder how much the consumer version of XP is gonna run? If they
>> charge more than $99, it's gonna be a tough upgrade.
>>
>> -Todd
>>
>Given what I'm paying for Linux, Windoze ought to be about $10. That's
>working proportionally on the number of CDs in the distro. If I factor
>in the usefulness, the MS should pay ME!
>--
>http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
This sir is the funniest comparison of Windows to Linux I've read
in quite along time. How true.
--
Charlie
**DEBIAN** **GNU**
/ / __ __ __ __ __ __ __
/ /__ / / / \/ / / /_/ / \ \/ /
/_____/ /_/ /_/\__/ /_____/ /_/\_\
http://www.debian.org
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE Whiners
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 03:58:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Peter Köhlmann"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tim Hanson wrote:
>> I would have said the European culture of ethnic cleansing.
>
> which is naturally a lot worse than, say, the KKK
Fortunately they're largely ignored or ridiculed. Most are breeding
themselves out of existance by marrying first cousins. Kind of like the
European Royal Families only they live in trailers and seldom bathe.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux is dieing
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:00:21 -0500
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> >
> >
> >Bloody Viking wrote:
> >>
> >> Henry_Barta ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >>
> >> : I don't have a UPS on this. If the battery in the laptop were
> >> : any good, I wouldn't need one ;) Neither would I call ComEd
> >> : reliable, but they've been good for weeks now.
> >>
> >> Yeah, but wait for summer. Anyways, it could be worse. You could be in
> >> California with its Third World style problems from the lame laws.
> >>
> >
> >Price controls ALWAYS lead to shortages.
> >
> >Ask anybody looking for an apartment in New York.
> >
>
> I believe that in certain dictatorships, the reason
> price control work is a organization known as a
> firing squad.
Not even then.
Russia has virtually unlimited natural resources....every strategic
(both economically strategic, and militarily strategic) mineral that
we import....they have substantial reserves within their own borders.
And yet...they have all kinds of shortages...even now.
The economy is still Communist (example: there are laws against
"excessive profits"....yes...making too much of a profit can put
a shopkeeper IN JAIL). This is effectively a price control
mechanism.
Back before they opened up their markets to Western Goods, practically
anybody in the country could afford an apartment full of appliances...
the problem was, there were such massive shortages, that it didn't
matter.
Once the western goods came in...the Moscow leadership was in a
quandry...the average citizen had thousands and thousands of dollars
of savings socked away...and LOTS of unmet purchasing desires...
as in...
"If the populace suddenly goes out and buys a lot of labor
saving devices....then...they'll have time to get organized and
put us out on the street [or worse!]...no no...we can't have that."
So...to solve that problem (the possibility of the average russian
having a life of convenience like we Americans enjoy), they
sabotaged the economy so that the rouble was devalued by a factor
of 2,000 (yes.... $2000 worth of roubles in 1990 are worth
about $1.15 or so now)
>
> But even this leads to other forms of economic failure.
>
> >--
> >Aaron R. Kulkis
> >Unix Systems Engineer
> >DNRC Minister of all I survey
> >ICQ # 3056642
> >
> >
> --
> Charlie
>
> **DEBIAN** **GNU**
> / / __ __ __ __ __ __ __
> / /__ / / / \/ / / /_/ / \ \/ /
> /_____/ /_/ /_/\__/ /_____/ /_/\_\
> http://www.debian.org
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:05:00 -0800
On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 14:02:53 GMT, "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"spam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Wed, 7 Feb 2001 03:40:34 -0600, "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
><SNIP: Erik talking about how Java has failed, and spam questioning the
>reasoning>
>
>> >
>> >Also, Java suffered from the fact that Sun only supported the Java language.
>> >Yes, there are other languages that target the JVM today, but they are not
>> >supported by Sun and discouraged.
>> >
>> >> >And, if people write .NET for Linux, as they'll be able to do from the
>> >> >standards, you can run on Linux as well.
>> >>
>> >> Except for the things that don't. Since MS, the promulgator of the
>> >> standard, and you can be real sure that ECMA won't be calling the shots,
>> >> will not itself be providing .NET for Linux (or probably anything except
>> >> Windows), why won't we see the same problems we saw with Java on Linux
>> >> prior to Sun and IBM seeing the light?
>> >
>> >MS has already contracted with Corel to port .NET to Linux.
>> >
>> Started the work have they? Any links?
>
>There were several news stories on this including a press release
>from MS and Corel. A casual search should turn it up.
It was mentioned in the prospectus that it was a posibility when MS
bailed out Corel.
>
>You'll also remember that Corel has decided to back off from the
>Linux business for awhile and has started working with Microsoft
>to build WordPerfect.NET and several other .NET applications.
>The report was that 5 or 6 Corel developers were working on the
>.NET CLR for Linux.
What report? 5 or 6 people working on a CLR for Linux is just research
and it would take forever with that amount of resources to make a
port. Yes, Corel will no longer be a Linux OS distributer. I'm from
the Ottawa area, I did a work term at Corel in the early nineties, I
have friends at Corel and none of them have heard about any work about
porting .NET to Linux.
>
>> >> Your rosy view of .NET assumes that they will be able to overcome all of
>> >> the same problems Java faces, but because they are Microsoft it'll all
>> >> be a cakewalk. That they will play fair and not try to use their
>> >> control of the platform to favor their own interests. Basically, nobody
>> >> but die-hard MS-lovers believes either one of those things any more.
>> >
>> >Java's problem was Sun. They killed it with their management.
>>
>> It's dead now?
>
>It's floundering, lost in a sea of misdirection, at least.
>Sun, nor IBM, nor anyone else really know where to take it.
>First they try to make it an embedded language, then they try
>to make it an enterprise transaction application server language
>(EJB), now they don't seem to be pushing anything. I don't see
>Java growing much beyond what it is right now. I've seen several
>companies rushing to hire EJB developers, but I've yet to see
>a site running JSP/EJB that has the slightest hint of decent
>performance. Usually you just get a bunch of timeouts or errors.
>Even Sun's own JavaStore which they funnel all their downloads
>through (and charge you USD$0.00 for the free stuff, but you
>still have to enter all your information) is broken 90% of
>the time. I have a feeling when all these companies spend all
>this money on EJB and then realize in the end it's horribly slow
>and really isn't as scalable as Sun and others have claimed, they'll
>be a backlash. Conveniently, .NET will be big around that time.
>
You're a VB developer and maybe a system integrator for an MSP and you
know squat about Java or Sun. How is it floundering? What do you mean
they don't know where to take it? Both Sun and IBM have layed out
their futures with Java.
----
Glenn Davies
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Fox)
Crossposted-To: alt.religion.kibology,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: I just realized why Google bought Deja.com
Date: 14 Feb 2001 20:02:43 -0800
Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Me wrote:
> >
> > "Leeb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > You know, I betcha the fine folks at Google are going to grep Usenet
> > > posts for URLs and use them as pointers to stuff on the Web.
> >
> > They could do that for free.
>
> But they can do it *MUCH* faster if they own Deja.....because they
> can put the "grep-pers" right on the machines that are holding
> the USENET archives, rather than inquiring over a network connection.
Usenet is not a centralized system, there is nothing particularly
"official" about deja's archives.
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:04:37 -0500
Ray Chason wrote:
>
> Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >From what I have read, VAX was a very well designed piece of hardware, esp. in
> >terms of reliability. When compaq stopped selling VAX based servers, alot of
> >people were sad that they could no-longer buy them, however, from what I have
> >heard, Alpha Chips are quite good, however, I would never consider buying one
> >unless the price is reduced to a normal price (say $1000 above the PeeCee price
> >and I would be happy).
>
> The one big problem with VAX was that Digital patented the connector
> that it used for its bus, and refused to license the patent. You could
> not get peripherals except from Digital.
>
> This strategy proved short-term wise and long-term foolish; one reason,
> perhaps, why Digital is no longer with us. (ObMSBashing) May Microsoft
> profit from their example.
Which is close to the same reason why Micro-Channel failed.
>
> --
> --------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
> PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
> Delenda est Windoze
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 20:11:19 -0800
On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 18:17:26 GMT, "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"spam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 02:08:05 GMT, "Chad Myers"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >
[snip]
>> >> You are complaining about amatuers playing at a game that M$ excells,
>bashing
>> >> the opposition. Amusing.
>> >
>> >Hmm, funny, I find Microsoft's documentation, especially MSDN, superb, in
>> >fact unmatched. I started learning Java a few weeks ago and found the
>> >amount and quality of the documentation appaling. I would expect sub-standard
>> >and infantile material from a bunch of Open Source losers, but the quality
>> >of Sun's documentation (while, granted, not bashing MS like most Linux
>> >documents do) was horrible and in many cases incorrect.
>> >
>> >-Chad
>>
>> Please point out the many incorrections.
>
>Sun's JCE documentation is misleading at best, incorrect at worse.
>They continually talk about "public key encryption" in their JCE
>provider implementation, but Sun provides no public key encryption,
>nor exchange system in their provider. The best they have is
>Diffie-hellman which is mediocre at best. They don't have a DSA,
>DSS, or RSA implementation (even though the patent has been released).
>
>This is but one example.
Just because Sun provides a framework doesn't mean they have to
implement it. This page shows public key encryption:
http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/technicalArticles/Security/JCE/index.html
and the documentation at http://java.sun.com/products/jce/index.html
seems pretty straightforward - where are the many incorrections that
you claimed?
>
>> I'm a long time MSDN member and Java developer and Sun's Java
>> documentation is good. java.sun.com is an excellent site for finding
>> out information.
>
>Java.sun.com is a horrible unnavigable mess. The javadoc API
>documents are typically poorly documented in and of themselves.
>They may list all the methods, but the descriptions for the methods
>are pretty poor.
>
>Typically, you have descriptions that match the method name word
>for word, i.e. sendFoo(int x, int y, bar b) "Sends a foo".
>It doesn't explain what processes actually take place in sendFoo(),
>nor does it explain what the arguments are for or why they are
>needed. This type of poor documentation runs rampant in Sun's
>own Java API documentation.
The class that has a sendFoo method will have a field summary and
method documentation - that's all you need to know as a developer. You
don't need to know how it does it. If you are curious the source code
for the JDK's are downloadable.
>
>MSDN is WAY better than that in just about every respect including
>better serch capabilities, better organized API documentation,
>better documented API documentation, TONS of samples for just
>about every facet of the API whereas samples for Java are rare
>if they exist at all. There's no comparison at all. Any attempt
>to make one shows that you've never really looked at MSDN at all.
>
I know it's an apple and orange comparison and that MSDN is much more
broader and extensive (it has to be). Java is a simple language with
easy, simple docs to follow. I've never had any problems finding
examples on any java subject on Sun's site.
----
Glenn Davies
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From: Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:09:19 -0500
Mike Byrns wrote:
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > Mike Byrns wrote:
> > >
> > > "Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 02:16:28 GMT, "Chad Myers"
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >"Dave Martel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >> On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:11:39 GMT, "Mike Byrns"
> > > > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Linux implementations
> > > > >> >are by definition "amateur" as they are done as a pastime rather
> than
> > > as a
> > > > >> >profession.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Then what's it say about MS's so-called "professional" programmers,
> > > > >> that these "amateur" linux programmers stole 30% of MS's Server
> > > > >> market? <chortle!>
> > > > >
> > > > >Even though I know you're just being facetious, to be completely
> > > > >accurate, Linux stole market share from other Unixes. Windows'
> > > > >market share hasn't declined, in fact continues to rise.
> > > >
> > > > I could argue with that - but it's more fun pointing out that you're
> > > > saying that "professionally written" Windows NT wasn't able to grab
> > > > that percentage of the market away from Unix, while "non-professional"
> > > > linux was. :-)
> > >
> > > For those folks running commercial UNIces linux was a natural. The
> barriers
> > > to entry were almost non-existant. Remeber that most tech folks in UNIX
> > > shops are constantly battling initiatives from the business side that
> carry
> > > a lower pricetag when done on NT. The UNIX back shop has to constantly
> > > defend their knowledge base and keep NT out or have their bloated IT
> > > salaries look ridiculously out of proportion to the same talent on
> Windows.
> >
> > "Bloated" Salaries for UNIX people?
> >
> > Sorry...but the Windows support assholes are only 10% as productive as
> > the
> > typical Unix person...by that measure, Windows support personell should
> > have salaries in the $3,000-$10,000 / year range.
> >
> > Anything more is slary bloat for the non-productive MS platform.
>
> Casting aspersions on and categorical dismission of Windows sysadmins (or
> "assholes" as Kuklis, in who's limited diction and unlimited bigotry termed
> them) is exactly the terrified job protectionist behavior I was talking
> about.
"Asshole" is reserved for people like Goodwin and Myers who constantly
post all kinds of lies.
The remaining Windows admins are merely idiots.
[Idiots because only an idiot would work for 1/5 the pay of a Unix
admin while doing 10x as much labor to accomplish 1/10 as much]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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