Linux-Advocacy Digest #255, Volume #26 Tue, 25 Apr 00 12:13:40 EDT
Contents:
Re: i cant blieve you people!! ("David D. Huff Jr.")
Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Re: Microsoft tries to scam its Insurance Company (Christopher Browne)
Re: Where is PostScript support?? (Stephen Cornell)
Re: Factory pre-installed Linux. ("Mr. Rupert")
Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: MS caught breaking web sites (Robin)
Re: Elian (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Unix is dead? (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Linux kernel 2.4 ("Bobby D. Bryant")
Re: i cant blieve you people!! (Sierra Tigris)
Re: Unix is dead? (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Where is PostScript support?? (Bob Tennent)
Re: MS caught breaking web sites ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: i cant blieve you people!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: MS caught breaking web sites (abraxas)
Re: MICROSOFT IT THRU! MICROSOFT IS THRU! (Alun Jones)
Re: MS caught breaking web sites (Alun Jones)
Re: Grasping perspective... (was Re: Forget buying drestin UNIX...) (abraxas)
Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...) (Leslie
Mikesell)
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From: "David D. Huff Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: i cant blieve you people!!
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:46:41 GMT
There should be parties in the streets! BillG should also be tried for
crimes against humanity. Because of his blind ideology to put every one out
of business with HIS vision of the future. Thank God, that this type of
global tyranny was stopped!
steve jobsniak wrote:
> i cant believe you peolpe... micorsoft is going down, taking the rest of
> the tech stocks down alogn with it, and you folks are
> *happy*!!! will you only be happy when the entire stock market
> crashess, taking the economy, your job, and preciuos apple with it???
> of course you'll change you're minds then, but why not change your mind
> now WHILE YOU CAN STILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE and keep it from happening?
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:51:00 GMT
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:01:38 GMT,
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Seeing as how a simple buffer overrun was mistreated as a "backdoor" that was
: purposely placed by Microsoft, I thought it was only fitting to see how
: Open Sores can fall victim to the same thing.
:
: http://xforce.iss.net/alerts/advise46.php3
There are already updates to provide a fix. Microsoft would still be denying
the existence of a problem. The fix was available at the time of the
advisory.
You also forgot to quote the other part of the advisory:
The vulnerability is present even if the LVS service is not
used on the system. If the affected "piranha-gui" package is
installed and the password has not been changed by the
administrator, the system is vulnerable.
Anybody who installs software on a production server that provides some
form of access, and does not examine and modify the default configuration
to suit his/her needs is begging for a compromise already, and is wholly
unfit to run production grade services, regardless of server platform.
--
Jason Costomiris <>< | Technologist, geek, human.
jcostom {at} jasons {dot} org | http://www.jasons.org/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Subject: Re: Microsoft tries to scam its Insurance Company
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:53:35 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Stephen Bodnar would say:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>> Stephen Bodnar wrote:
>> >
>> > Well, I dunno. We had a firsthand experience with it here in our neck of
>> > the woods. The Exxon Valdez Oil Spill just about put Lloyd's of
>> > London out of business when Exxon claimed that the oil spill related
>> > damages were included in the liability insurance of an oil tanker.
>>
>> Sounds reasonable to me.
>>
>> Sounds like Lloyd's just plain screwed up and under-bid the coverage.
>
>They just figured that the chances of a major spill were so small
>and so unlikely, that they didn't have the resources available
>to cover it when it did indeed happen.
>
>I would imagine that it is much the same case with Microsoft -
>the insurance company, even in their worst nightmare never
>dreamed of having to cover something like this - and are left
>short cash wise - it's part of the insurance game
The problem comes in if Microsoft makes decisions that make the
insurance claim increase.
_THAT_ is something that the insurance company can fairly legitimately
object to.
After all, the _intent_ of insurance is to have the underwriter take
on the liabilities associated with _risks._ It is _not_ to have the
underwriter take on the liabilities associated with costly decisions
on the part of the insuree.
It is not atypical for insurance policies to come with some conditions:
--> Life insurance tends to _refuse_ to pay off if you commit suicide;
suicide is a "risk" that _YOU_ decide to take, and not reasonably
something they should be providing you coverage for.
--> It is not unusual for property insurance policies to require having
equipment and services in place to help prevent problems. The insurer
may require that you have a fire alarm, or burglar alarm, or other
such "defensive" materiel.
If MSFT goes and "walks into" bigger legal claims, it is not obvious
that it is appropriate for them to claim the expenses on a liability
insurance policy.
They've obviously got a boatload of lawyers around, and if they deploy
them against the insurance company, they may win on technicalities,
or may have _already deployed_ them at the time the contract got signed.
If the latter is the case, this provides Yet Again One More Example of
how making a deal with Microsoft resembles organ donation more than
anything else...
--
"You think you know when you can learn, are more sure when you can
write, even more when you can teach, but certain when you can
program." -- Alan Perlis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - - <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
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From: Stephen Cornell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where is PostScript support??
Date: 25 Apr 2000 15:20:38 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> It's nice to see a number of presentation/wordprocessing programs emerging for
> Linux - geeks do need to write documents as well, not just MSWord drones.
>
> There's just one thing that's really bugging me - none of them (AFAIK) seem to
> support postscript properly.
Most of your posting concerns paper documents, but since you mentioned
presentation programs I'll jump in with my own pet hate about *nix
workstations as desktops.
I caught the Unix habit when I was a physicist. All articles are
written in TeX, all figures prepared in postscript, and talks were
given with hand-written OHP slides. Now that I'm working in biology,
I sometimes have to us a word processor for compatibility with
collaborators and some journals. Staroffice and WordPerfect cope
admirably with this, though I occasionally have to borrow an NT
machine to edit equations.
However, I still haven't found a satisfactory way of preparing decent
presentations. It is de rigueur to give conference talks on-line from
one's laptop. However, I simply haven't found an alternative that
compares to the ease of use, appearence, and speed of presentation my
colleagues enjoy with PowerPoint.
The problem starts with the fact that I produce postscript figures for
publication, and then want to include them in my talks. The only way
I have been able to do this up to now is by preparing bitmap files of
these, which need careful handling to ensure they appear at the
correct resolution on-screen. I've tried converting to other
vector-graphics languages using pstoedit, but none of these appear
correcly when inported to Applix, Staroffice, etc. None of the vector
output formats from my favourite plotting software (gnuplot/xfig)
display correctly. Meanwhile, these office suites' own spreadsheets
aren't really suitable for plotting this kind of data.
The way that Windows scores, for my purposes, is not that truetype
font rendering is much faster and that PowerPoint has all those cute
special effects, but in the existence of the Windows metafile. Any
scientific software running on Windows can export graphics in a
lightweight format that can be imported without fuss into PowerPoint,
and rendered quickly on screen. Such formats exist in the Unix world,
in principle, but somehow the plotting apps I use aren't able to
talk a language understandable by the presentation apps I want to use.
Staroffice is about the most usable of the office suites. It can even
import Windows metafiles - though that would only help me if my
plotting apps could produce them (even Matlab under Unix doesn't do
so). It also knows about Truetype fonts. However, it's such a memory
hog, and as such is almost unusable for real-time presentations from
my 64Mbyte laptop.
My next talk will be prepared using Latex and Acrobat. The end
results look good enough using Type 1 fonts, and display acceptably
fast if antialiasing is switched off. However, no-one can claim that
the preparation is as user-friendly as the WYSIWYG slide editing you
get with dedicated presentation software.
--
Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel/fax +44-1223-336644
University of Cambridge, Zoology Department, Downing Street, CAMBRIDGE CB2 3EJ
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From: "Mr. Rupert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Factory pre-installed Linux.
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:33:31 -0500
mlw wrote:
>
> OK, lets say we can get some OEM's to do a good job at factory
> pre-installation. The box arrives at the door, excited, happy user
> connects the color coded wires, and violla! It boots. What should that
> user see?
>
> What kind of startup screen? Presumably an initial startup program that
> creates a new user name and password? Music?
>
> Here is a list of "pre-configured" apps that must be setup and ready to
> function:
>
> Applix or StarOffice (Depending on the kind of deal you can get)
> Netscape, of course. With Shockwave and RealAudio
> KDE and/or Gnome (I prefer KDE)
> AcrobatReader
> Java
> Modem setup and configured.
> PPP dialup ready to go with modem and dhcp.
> Sound card setup and configured.
> Video setup and configured.
> Optional network, setup and configured.
>
> All the mime-types have to be configured.
> All the file types have to have icons.
> The user must be able to "click" on a file and start the correct
> application.
> It all should have the commercial quality fit and finish of a fully
> configured system.
>
> Are the KDE or GNOME program menus sufficient, or should the OEM
> rearrange them to a more logical order? The default menus I see are
> biased toward the Window manager, not necessarily ordered as an end user
> would like.
>
> What are the best multimedia programs?
>
> Would anyone care if we mixed and matched Gnome and KDE applications?
>
> Any suggestions?
>
Sounds like you just described Win98 minus the multi-media features. Do you
really want Linux to be the next Win98? Is that the goal?
--
Mr Rupert
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:23:03 -0500
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
> Did you notice that there is a solution available already?
And it wasn't "Delete libc.so -- you don't really need it anyway."
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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From: Robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: MS caught breaking web sites
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:47:19 -0400
Mike Marion wrote:
> Robin wrote:
>
>
> > everybody calls when they can't get their machine to work right" I'd recommend NT
> > over 9x (no 2000 experience yet) to a home user in a heartbeat.
>
> Unless playing any recent game is desired.
Eh, my husband plays 'em successfully under NT. Age of Empires, and a few others.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Crossposted-To:
alt.activism,alt.politics.communism,rec.games.video.misc,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose
Subject: Re: Elian
Date: 25 Apr 2000 14:41:02 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ari Asikainen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on comp.os.linux.advocacy:
> I can confirm that Linus Thorvalds is a big fan of the Amish people.
^^^^^^^^^
Who is he? Anyone I've heard of?
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- The small advantage of not having California being part of my country would
be overweighed by having California as a heavily-armed rabid weasel on our
borders. -- David Parsons <o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: Unix is dead?
Date: 25 Apr 2000 14:43:18 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John W. Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Linux ISA Unix.
^^^
But most systems use PCI these days. HTH!
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- The small advantage of not having California being part of my country would
be overweighed by having California as a heavily-armed rabid weasel on our
borders. -- David Parsons <o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s>
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From: "Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux kernel 2.4
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:26:46 -0500
Glitch wrote:
> so when have the developers said it may be ready?
I believe they said, "As soon as we get the bugs out."
I'm not a developer (IANAD), so I can make a guess without being accused
of peddling vaporware; I predict that it will be out this summer.
Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: Sierra Tigris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: i cant blieve you people!!
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 14:53:29 GMT
steve jobsniak posted Apr 25 re: i cant blieve you people!!
|i cant believe you peolpe... micorsoft is going down, taking the rest of
|the tech stocks down alogn with it, and you folks are
|*happy*!!! will you only be happy when the entire stock market
|crashess, taking the economy, your job, and preciuos apple with it???
|of course you'll change you're minds then, but why not change your mind
|now WHILE YOU CAN STILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE and keep it from happening?
What are you? A MS shill? Like hell MS is bringing everything
down. Well, until I got rid of Windows from my computer it was bringing my
comnputer down.
--
Da Katt
[This space for rent]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: Unix is dead?
Date: 25 Apr 2000 14:47:50 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
SeaDragon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You must be really new to Linux. Minix was much more than "inspired"
> by Minix. It was originally intended to be "a better Minix than
> Minix". Early versions of Linux were binary compatible with Minix,
> and the original filesystem for Linux was the Minix filesystem
> (which some Linuxers claim is still the best filesystem for floppies
> under Linux). So you are completely clueless in stating that Linux
> had no more similarities to Minix aside from what all operating
> systems have in common.
However, Linux and Minix share no source code (except for things that
have been written to work on both) and never have done for copyright
reasons. It's time for you to bone up on your Linux history, SeaDragon!
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- The small advantage of not having California being part of my country would
be overweighed by having California as a heavily-armed rabid weasel on our
borders. -- David Parsons <o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Tennent)
Subject: Re: Where is PostScript support??
Date: 25 Apr 2000 15:06:14 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 25 Apr 2000 15:20:38 +0100, Stephen Cornell wrote:
>
>However, I still haven't found a satisfactory way of preparing decent
>presentations. It is de rigueur to give conference talks on-line from
>one's laptop. However, I simply haven't found an alternative that
>compares to the ease of use, appearence, and speed of presentation my
>colleagues enjoy with PowerPoint.
>
What do you think of magicpoint:
MagicPoint is an X11 based presentation tool. It is designed to make
simple presentations easy while to make complicated presentations
possible. Its presentation file (whose suffix is typically .mgp) is
just text so that you can create presentation files quickly with your
favorite editor (e.g. Emacs).
Bob T.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS caught breaking web sites
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:05:37 GMT
"Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>"Cary O'Brien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> Linux is *GREAT* for families with small children. My 6 and 9 year
>> olds have no trouble at all typing their name and password into the
>> xdm login box.
^^^
>i feel sorry for these kids... no games, forced to type arcane commands in
>mixed case and rewarded by having a non-crashing machine that faithfully
>returns a constant stream of error messages. I'm sure they suddenly lite up
>when they hit startx and suddenly discover they can actually use the
>computer productively and easily.
Drestin, weren't you recently trying to convince people you had actually
installed and used Linux?
I mean, the "into the xdm login box" might have gone over your head,
but the subsequent
>> I put netscape, applixware, xpaint, and logo into the
>> root menu and they are good to go.
should have been a bit of a giveaway. It's not like your standard text
mode linux console has a root menu --- not to mention that applixware,
netscape, xpaint and logo have a hard time displaying on one....
Bernie
--
Thou wilt show my head to the people: it is worth showing
Georges Jacques Danton
French revolutionary
To his executioner, 5 April 1794
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: i cant blieve you people!!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 25 Apr 2000 15:21:07 GMT
In <8e378b$5jv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, steve jobsniak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
|i cant believe you peolpe... micorsoft is going down, taking the rest of
|the tech stocks down alogn with it, and you folks are
|*happy*!!! will you only be happy when the entire stock market
|crashess, taking the economy, your job, and preciuos apple with it???
|of course you'll change you're minds then, but why not change your mind
|now WHILE YOU CAN STILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE and keep it from happening?
Steve,
How can you be so simple minded? Don't you realize that the real
problem is that Gates is willing to see the entire economy suffer
rather than compromise... or even, just "play well with others"?
Fact is, millions of idiots now dominate the stock market. Urged on
to ever greater fantasy by the ever-upward success of MS & Cisco,
these folks have no ablilty to hang in there when things don't go
so well. Witness the lemming like surges up & down, based only on
rumors about what DOJ will or will not ask for as MS's punishment.
The quetion you should be asking is: Why won't Gates & Co. cut a
deal with the DOJ? Don't these guys have faith in their own
products and technologies to succeed in the marketplace without the
boost of their monopolistic practices?
Never mind, I think I answered my own question...
regards,
Guido
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS caught breaking web sites
Date: 25 Apr 2000 15:24:26 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>"Cary O'Brien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>> Linux is *GREAT* for families with small children. My 6 and 9 year
>>> olds have no trouble at all typing their name and password into the
>>> xdm login box.
> ^^^
>>i feel sorry for these kids... no games, forced to type arcane commands in
>>mixed case and rewarded by having a non-crashing machine that faithfully
>>returns a constant stream of error messages. I'm sure they suddenly lite up
>>when they hit startx and suddenly discover they can actually use the
>>computer productively and easily.
> Drestin, weren't you recently trying to convince people you had actually
> installed and used Linux?
Indeed. Hes been trying to convince people of that for quite a long time,
and continually proves himself quite wrong. In fact, in this case, if hed
installed linux at all during the last two years, he would know that because
of the existance of runlevel 5 under some distributions, typing 'startx'
isnt nessesary. Hed also realize that the same thing is possible under
runlevel 3 if you have two braincells to rub together.
> I mean, the "into the xdm login box" might have gone over your head,
> but the subsequent
Theres a way.
=====yttrx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alun Jones)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip,alt.conspiracy.area51
Subject: Re: MICROSOFT IT THRU! MICROSOFT IS THRU!
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:25:33 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sean LeBlanc
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Or run listdlls.exe.
Does that catch DLLs loaded through the LoadLibrary call, or only those that
are listed in the dependencies?
Alun.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alun Jones)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.ms-windows.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: MS caught breaking web sites
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:25:37 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
> Jianmang Li wrote:
> >
> > Gary Connors wrote:
> > >
> > > in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], laugh at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
> on
> > > 4/16/00 1:07 AM:
> > >
> > > > Robert,
> > >
> > > > And with Linux growing to 35% of all servers and 10% of desktops this
> year
> > > > alone
> > > > (half of those being NT replacements), there won't be much of an
> audience
> > > > for any future releases of windows when and if they do make it out.
> > >
> > > If its a "NT replacement" is not on the desktop. In the real world, NT is
> > > not a desktop OS.
> > I'm always puzzled when people calling Desktop and server. From software
> > point of view, what is the different. MS had difficulties to let Windows9x
> > offering network services so it call it Desktop. In Unix world, if you got
> the
> > right hardware nobody stop you offering network services from your "Desktop"
> -
> > they are the same.
>
> Because people from Microsoft land can't imagine the peer-peer model.
I'd say there's a fair level of support in Microsoft's OSs since '95 for
peer-peer model - it looks like they can imagine more than you're aware of.
Perhaps if you spent less time building a screen full of signature for a
one-line throwaway remark, and more time paying attention to the operating
system whose newsgroups you're cross-pisting to, you might actually have
something to contribute.
I can't say that I'm Microsoft's biggest fan, but please, if you're going to
attack Microsoft, at least attack them for their true, provable,
shortcomings, rather than just rolling out the same tired old rumours and
jokes. Otherwise you sound like you're just jumping on the big boy because
he presents such a huge target.
HAND.
Alun.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Grasping perspective... (was Re: Forget buying drestin UNIX...)
Date: 25 Apr 2000 15:26:56 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
>> > Honestly, I find it very odd that a member of a community that purports
> to
>> > advocate "free thinking" and such follows the government with such
> fervor.
>> >
>> > Am I the only one who thinks this is a tad hypocritical?
>>
>> I do not follow the government with "fervor." I have worked in the
>> industry and seen the damage that MS does to companies. I have
>> personally been exposed to various practices. I think the government, in
>> this case, is absolutely 100% right.
>>
> such as? Be specific? Exactly which MS practices have you personally been
> "exposed" to and to what impact? This I've love to see documented...
Apparantly drestin has been living under a rock, in a cave with its enterance
blocked by an avalanche on a distant planet for the past three years.
=====yttrx
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...)
Date: 25 Apr 2000 10:20:40 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
sea_Dragon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Least it told you, it had no more resources. Odd that ftp.cdrom.com
>>runs a 200 Gigabyte, 3200 user FreeBsd machine, without having *your* problem ?
>Ah yes. I know that DNS for a home LAN supporting a dozen nodes is an
>expensive task - since I am running Unix. I better upgrade the machines
>to 200 gigabytes - since it is running Unix, it will use everything it
>can get!
You did something very wrong if that's all it was doing. I've had
a 486 with 8 Megs RAM do DNS for a remote office of 50 or so for a
year without any trouble. The machine was upgraded to 32M when
it also became the internet email relay but it still never
crashes. That one is FreeBSD, but in the local (larger) office I
run Linux with the same results.
>>What a contrived example!
>>Hahahahah, "my gun ran out of bullets, better get a new gun"
>
>Yep, that's what Unix told me. Wouldn't run ANY OTHER PROGRAMS, not
>even kill. Perhaps that'll teach the mindless bastards who wrote the
>thing not to create a new process for each image running? Nah, it's
>Unix - they've been doing it that way for 30 years.
If you want something else to run in the same process space, try
'exec command'. It's a one shot deal because your shell is
then gone, but if you can fix the problem with that one
command (killing the offending process) you will then be able
to log back in normally. If you want to reserve 2 chances
(for the ps to get the pid, plus the kill) keep another login
running on a different VT.
But, I find this rant amusing after the hundreds of times I've
had NT pop a Dr. Watson or system error dialog and die instantly
when I clicked 'OK' or 'cancel' to get rid of it.
>>You're a sad case mate, someone like you shouldnt be allowed within 50 metres
>>of a production Linux box.
>
>Trust me - I wish I wasn't. But it is hard to avoid, and the Grand
>Linuxification continues reaching influence in to literally every corner
>of the industry.
Odd how it works for every else, isn't it?
>Ah yes - the Linux way. It is so risky to install a new kernel and has such
>a high probability of wiping out your hard drive that you are recommended
>to install from a floppy, a media with is 100x slower. Nice.
Just like everyone keeps a 2nd copy of NT on a FAT filesystem on
any machine that they expect to keep running in production because
any software install that replaces dll's (and don't they all...)
can destroy it and if you boot from floppies you can't fix the
NTFS part.
>My kernel is 1.5 MB compressed and wouldn't even fit on a conventional
>floppy. You are aware that Alpha code is much more spacious than i386
>code, correct? Does Linux support booting from a ZIP drive yet?
Linux should boot from anything your hardware knows how to load.
Don't the bulky opcodes compress well? I have never installed
on an alpha. Isn't there a boot floppy image for the distribution
containing a kernel, or how do you get started?
>>Good for you, have you actually any apps on it ?
>
>Oh yeah. My main workstation for 60 hrs/week of work.
Running terminal services against a machine coddled by a
specialist?
Les Mikesell
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