Linux-Advocacy Digest #271, Volume #26 Wed, 26 Apr 00 14:13:43 EDT
Contents:
Re: which OS is best? (Subpop)
Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability ("JC Nieukoop")
Re: IBM dumping more shares of RedHat (Mark S. Bilk)
Re: which OS is best? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: which OS is best? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability ("JC Nieukoop")
Re: MS caught breaking web sites (Graham Daniell)
Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability ("JC Nieukoop")
Re: Linus Torvalds (Timothy Murphy)
Re: IBM dumping more shares of RedHat ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: IBM dumping more shares of RedHat (Greg Horne)
Re: which OS is best? (Sascha Bohnenkamp)
Re: Microsoft tries to scam its Insurance Company (The Cat)
Re: KDE is better than Gnome (Roberto Alsina)
Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...) (Terry
Porter)
Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...) (Terry
Porter)
Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability ("JC Nieukoop")
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From: Subpop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 07:11:35 -0600
in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Pascal Haakmat at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote on 4/26/00 6:08 AM:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> On 25 Apr 2000 18:14:03 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pascal Haakmat) wrote:
>>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nevertheless, clicking on an icon for a drive letter and clicking
>>>> sharing seems, to me, to be something far easier for most people to
>>>> digest, remember, and do.
>>>
>>> I tried to help my mother install a CD over the phone once. Hilarious, if
>>> exhausting:
>>>
>>> "Click the grey thing labelled C:; it's below the blue thing."
>>>
>>> "There is no blue thing."
>>>
>>> "Yes there is, it's the top of the window."
>>>
>>> "Oh yeah. What should I do?"
>>>
>>> "Click the grey thing labelled C: beneath it."
>>>
>>> "There is no grey thing beneath it?"
>>>
>>> "Well, there is a menu ..."
>>>
>>> "I see that."
>>>
>>> "... And below that there's a grey bar with some icons on them."
>>>
>>> "OK. Should I click it?"
>>>
>>> "Yes."
>>>
>>> "Nothing happens."
>>>
>>> "Where is your mouse now?"
>>>
>>> "It's at the grey thing."
>>>
>>> "Do you see C: on the screen?"
>>>
>>> "Yes, here it is."
>>>
>>> "Click it."
>>>
>>> "Nothing."
>>>
>>> "Did you click the grey thing labelled C:?"
>>>
>>> "No, I clicked a yellow thing labelled C:."
>>>
>>> "OK, click the grey thing ..."
>>>
>>> And so forth. It did work out eventually.
>>
>> Right-click on START at the lower left. Left click on EXPLORE. Find
>> C: in the far left hand column.
>
> It just doesn't work that way. You have to know where to look. Even in your
> scenario, which presupposes Win9x (my mother still uses Win3.11), the
> conversation would be more like:
>
> "Right-click on START at the lower left."
>
> "Right-click?"
>
> "Use the right mouse button to click on START."
>
> "OK, now what?"
>
> "Use the left mouse button to click on 'explore'."
>
> "There is no explore."
>
> "Yes there is, in the menu."
>
> "Wait, here it is, oh, now it's gone!"
>
> "How did that happen?"
>
> "I don't know ..."
>
> "Never mind, right-click START again and then left-click 'explore'."
>
> <silence>
>
> "Does that work?"
>
> "Wait a second, I'm doing it."
>
> etc.
Geez.. No wonder PC users make such a fuss about Mac users only having one
mouse button!.. What a pain in the ass.. I do this all the time with clients
that have Macs and it's nowhere near as painful..
"Open the CD Drive and put the CD in"
"Okay"
"Now click on the CD on your screen"
"Okay, I see a new box"
"Okay, click on Installer"
I'd love to see someone try to do a format and restore of their system
software over the phone on a Windows machine.. I've done it a couple times
with Mac clients and, again, not painful at all..
"Okay, put the CD in the drive"
"Okay"
"Now press the power button on your keyboard"
"Okay"
"Now click on restart"
"Okay"
"Now hold down the C key until the computer boots up"
"Okay............It's done!"
"Okay now, double-click on "Software Restore""
"Okay, It's asking if I should erase the hard drive... etc etc"
"<whatever is appropriate at the time for that install>.."
donezo..
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From: "JC Nieukoop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:03:24 +0200
"Stefan Ohlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad Myers wrote:
> >Seeing as how a simple buffer overrun was mistreated as a "backdoor" that
was
> >purposely placed by Microsoft, I thought it was only fitting to see how
> >Open Sores can fall victim to the same thing.
> >
> >http://xforce.iss.net/alerts/advise46.php3
>
> >"With this backdoor password, an attacker could compromise the web server
as
> >well as deface and destroy the web site."
> >
> "If the affected "piranha-gui" package is installed and the
> [default] password has not been changed by the administrator, the
> system is vulnerable."
>
> So, if the admin installs the package and does not alter the default
> password, then people who know this default password can log in.
> Any secutiry-concious admin would change it upon installing.
>
> /Stefan
> --
> [ Stefan Ohlsson ] � http://www.mds.mdh.se/~dal95son/ � [ ICQ# 17519554 ]
>
> Gabe: [burning stolen money] It costs a fortune to heat this place.
> /Cliffhanger
I don't see how he is supposed to do this since the password was
undocumented. That makes it a backdoor and a security issue.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM dumping more shares of RedHat
Date: 26 Apr 2000 13:33:36 GMT
In article <ISBN4.438$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/newsbursts/0,7407,2487559,00.html
>
>"IBM Corp. (NYSE: IBM), the No. 1 computer maker in the world, filed with
>regulators to sell about $14.37 million worth of shares in Red Hat Inc.
>(Nasdaq: RHAT), a Linux software operating system distributor. IBM filed on
>March 23 to sell 250,000 shares it acquired through a private purchase from the
>company about 13 months ago, according to a filing with the Securities and
>Exchange Commission made available on Wednesday. A spokesman for Armonk,
>N.Y.-based IBM was not immediately available for comment. IBM sold another
>150,000 shares earlier this month worth an estimated $8.5 million, the filing
>showed."
So, this means that IBM exerts less (or no) control
over Red Hat. Why is that a bad thing? Other investors
bought that stock; Red Hat still has its capital.
The local Costco has as big a display of Red Hat boxes
as it does of Microsoft Windows.
>Well, it was fun while it lasted. The fad's over, time to pull out.
>
>-Chad
Chad, we're really not interested in the excuses you make
to your wife in bed.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:40:57 -0500
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 06:11:49 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
wrote:
>On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 19:40:49 -0500,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> brought forth the following words...:
>
>>On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 06:04:43 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>>> Actually, that would be a far more individual thing than you
>>>>> acknowledge. No matter how much M$ would like to think of them
>>>>> as such, end users are not borg drones.
>>>>>
>>>>> Besides, a simple list of commands is far less ambiguous and
>>>>> less bulk of information.
>>>>
>>>>Nevertheless, clicking on an icon for a drive letter and clicking
>>>>sharing seems, to me, to be something far easier for most people to
>>>>digest, remember, and do.
>>>
>>>
>>>but as my mom said, what's an icon?
>>>(not to mention that the drive letters aren't on the desktop, they're hidden
>>>in My computer, right?)
>>
>>Which do you think is more common - someone who knows what an icon is
>>and can do basic things with it (like right-click in a given area) or
>>someone who is already familiar with dir, grep, cat, pico, etc.?
>
>
>If someone is familiar with an icon in windows, then they are also familiar
>with an icon in linux, Linux does have GUI you know.
I'm familiar with it (or really, some of _them_). Shall we call it
Frankenstein?
Helix-modified-Gnome isn't all bad, but it's still a far cry from the
ease-of-use of Windows/MacOS's GUI.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:45:45 -0500
On Wed, 26 Apr 2000 07:11:35 -0600, Subpop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Pascal Haakmat at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>wrote on 4/26/00 6:08 AM:
>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> On 25 Apr 2000 18:14:03 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pascal Haakmat) wrote:
>>>
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nevertheless, clicking on an icon for a drive letter and clicking
>>>>> sharing seems, to me, to be something far easier for most people to
>>>>> digest, remember, and do.
>>>>
>>>> I tried to help my mother install a CD over the phone once. Hilarious, if
>>>> exhausting:
>>>>
>>>> "Click the grey thing labelled C:; it's below the blue thing."
>>>>
>>>> "There is no blue thing."
>>>>
>>>> "Yes there is, it's the top of the window."
>>>>
>>>> "Oh yeah. What should I do?"
>>>>
>>>> "Click the grey thing labelled C: beneath it."
>>>>
>>>> "There is no grey thing beneath it?"
>>>>
>>>> "Well, there is a menu ..."
>>>>
>>>> "I see that."
>>>>
>>>> "... And below that there's a grey bar with some icons on them."
>>>>
>>>> "OK. Should I click it?"
>>>>
>>>> "Yes."
>>>>
>>>> "Nothing happens."
>>>>
>>>> "Where is your mouse now?"
>>>>
>>>> "It's at the grey thing."
>>>>
>>>> "Do you see C: on the screen?"
>>>>
>>>> "Yes, here it is."
>>>>
>>>> "Click it."
>>>>
>>>> "Nothing."
>>>>
>>>> "Did you click the grey thing labelled C:?"
>>>>
>>>> "No, I clicked a yellow thing labelled C:."
>>>>
>>>> "OK, click the grey thing ..."
>>>>
>>>> And so forth. It did work out eventually.
>>>
>>> Right-click on START at the lower left. Left click on EXPLORE. Find
>>> C: in the far left hand column.
>>
>> It just doesn't work that way. You have to know where to look. Even in your
>> scenario, which presupposes Win9x (my mother still uses Win3.11), the
>> conversation would be more like:
>>
>> "Right-click on START at the lower left."
>>
>> "Right-click?"
>>
>> "Use the right mouse button to click on START."
>>
>> "OK, now what?"
>>
>> "Use the left mouse button to click on 'explore'."
>>
>> "There is no explore."
>>
>> "Yes there is, in the menu."
>>
>> "Wait, here it is, oh, now it's gone!"
>>
>> "How did that happen?"
>>
>> "I don't know ..."
>>
>> "Never mind, right-click START again and then left-click 'explore'."
>>
>> <silence>
>>
>> "Does that work?"
>>
>> "Wait a second, I'm doing it."
>>
>> etc.
>
>Geez.. No wonder PC users make such a fuss about Mac users only having one
>mouse button!.. What a pain in the ass.. I do this all the time with clients
>that have Macs and it's nowhere near as painful..
>
>"Open the CD Drive and put the CD in"
>
>"Okay"
>
>"Now click on the CD on your screen"
>
>"Okay, I see a new box"
>
>"Okay, click on Installer"
Insert CD
Wait for CD's autostart to ahem..auto start the CD
Select options in autostart menu as appropriate
>I'd love to see someone try to do a format and restore of their system
>software over the phone on a Windows machine.. I've done it a couple times
>with Mac clients and, again, not painful at all..
>
>"Okay, put the CD in the drive"
>
>"Okay"
>
>"Now press the power button on your keyboard"
>
>"Okay"
>
>"Now click on restart"
>
>"Okay"
>
>"Now hold down the C key until the computer boots up"
>
>"Okay............It's done!"
>
>"Okay now, double-click on "Software Restore""
>
>"Okay, It's asking if I should erase the hard drive... etc etc"
>
>"<whatever is appropriate at the time for that install>.."
>
>donezo..
>
>
Similar things happen if purchased with a restore CD:
Insert CD into machine before bootup
Boot off of CD
CD asks if you want to restore image from CD
Say Yes
done...
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From: "JC Nieukoop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:03:24 +0200
"Stefan Ohlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad Myers wrote:
> >Seeing as how a simple buffer overrun was mistreated as a "backdoor" that
was
> >purposely placed by Microsoft, I thought it was only fitting to see how
> >Open Sores can fall victim to the same thing.
> >
> >http://xforce.iss.net/alerts/advise46.php3
>
> >"With this backdoor password, an attacker could compromise the web server
as
> >well as deface and destroy the web site."
> >
> "If the affected "piranha-gui" package is installed and the
> [default] password has not been changed by the administrator, the
> system is vulnerable."
>
> So, if the admin installs the package and does not alter the default
> password, then people who know this default password can log in.
> Any secutiry-concious admin would change it upon installing.
>
> /Stefan
> --
> [ Stefan Ohlsson ] � http://www.mds.mdh.se/~dal95son/ � [ ICQ# 17519554 ]
>
> Gabe: [burning stolen money] It costs a fortune to heat this place.
> /Cliffhanger
I don't see how he is supposed to do this since the password was
undocumented. That makes it a backdoor and a security issue.
------------------------------
From: Graham Daniell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: MS caught breaking web sites
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:09:31 +0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Do yourself a favour and look at both - Gnome is excellent, but not 100%
stable yet. KDE is a bit boring, but as stable as a rock.
If the US Justice Dept forces MS to make Office available for Linux, it
will kill ALL desktop versions of Windust hands down.
Graham Daniell
====================================================
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> But NT + Office2000 makes a good desktop, from the standpoint
> of convenience. (There are some issues with respect to interoperability
> and reliability, though. Of course, desktops don't require great
> reliability, although it does help -- the story of the DoD coffeepot
> surviving a nuclear blast comes to mind for some reason. Interoperability
> is because there are a lot of Unix boxes out there. :-) )
>
> Linux makes a good server OS, but the desktop convenience isn't
> quite there yet. (To be fair, I haven't evaluated KDE and Gnome
> recently; I'm an old Unix-head and use fvwm (not fvwm2-95) as a
> window manager, :-) and I'm not up on BeOS -- which sounds like the
> hottest thing since the Amiga, from a multimedia standpoint.)
>
> And Windows95/98 is good for....something. :-)
>
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From: "JC Nieukoop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:03:24 +0200
"Stefan Ohlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad Myers wrote:
> >Seeing as how a simple buffer overrun was mistreated as a "backdoor" that
was
> >purposely placed by Microsoft, I thought it was only fitting to see how
> >Open Sores can fall victim to the same thing.
> >
> >http://xforce.iss.net/alerts/advise46.php3
>
> >"With this backdoor password, an attacker could compromise the web server
as
> >well as deface and destroy the web site."
> >
> "If the affected "piranha-gui" package is installed and the
> [default] password has not been changed by the administrator, the
> system is vulnerable."
>
> So, if the admin installs the package and does not alter the default
> password, then people who know this default password can log in.
> Any secutiry-concious admin would change it upon installing.
>
> /Stefan
> --
> [ Stefan Ohlsson ] � http://www.mds.mdh.se/~dal95son/ � [ ICQ# 17519554 ]
>
> Gabe: [burning stolen money] It costs a fortune to heat this place.
> /Cliffhanger
I don't see how he is supposed to do this since the password was
undocumented. That makes it a backdoor and a security issue.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Timothy Murphy)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linus Torvalds
Date: 26 Apr 2000 15:17:23 +0100
R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Microsoft collected a premium equivalent to 30% of the purchase
>price of the computer (today the Microsoft "bundle" is the most
>expensive component if the computer).
Is that true?
I haven't seen any computers offered for 30% less without Windows.
--
Timothy Murphy
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
tel: 086-233 6090
s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM dumping more shares of RedHat
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 07:17:26 -0700
Reply-To: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Mark S. Bilk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8e6r7g$lqd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <ISBN4.438$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/newsbursts/0,7407,2487559,00.html
> >"IBM Corp. (NYSE: IBM), the No. 1 computer maker in the world, filed with
> >regulators to sell about $14.37 million worth of shares in Red Hat Inc.
> >(Nasdaq: RHAT), a Linux software operating system distributor. IBM filed
on
> >March 23 to sell 250,000 shares it acquired through a private purchase
from the
> >company about 13 months ago, according to a filing with the Securities
and
> >Exchange Commission made available on Wednesday. A spokesman for Armonk,
> >N.Y.-based IBM was not immediately available for comment. IBM sold
another
> >150,000 shares earlier this month worth an estimated $8.5 million, the
filing
> >showed."
>
> So, this means that IBM exerts less (or no) control
> over Red Hat. Why is that a bad thing? Other investors
It's not a bad thing at all. All it means is that we'll
finally be spared from the evangelical rantings of people
such as yourself very soon now.
> bought that stock; Red Hat still has its capital.
>
> The local Costco has as big a display of Red Hat boxes
> as it does of Microsoft Windows.
Costco does not have the corporate prescence of IBM, nor
do they have the high-quality hardware to offer that IBM
does. All they have are generic prefabbed PCs, which are
generally of a lesser quality.
> >Well, it was fun while it lasted. The fad's over, time to pull out.
> >
> >-Chad
>
> Chad, we're really not interested in the excuses you make
> to your wife in bed.
I think Chad was referring to people like you, who need to
pull their heads out of a certain oriface.
--
.-----.
|[_] :| Stephen S. Edwards II | NetBSD: Free of hype and license.
| = :| "Artificial Intelligence -- The engineering of systems that
| | yield results such as, 'The answer is 6.7E23... I think.'"
|_..._| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.primenet.com/~rakmount
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From: Greg Horne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM dumping more shares of RedHat
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:22:17 GMT
IBM has a long history of making bad business decisions. Remember OS/2 and the lack
of support for home users in the 1990's?
"Mark S. Bilk" wrote:
> In article <ISBN4.438$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/newsbursts/0,7407,2487559,00.html
> >
> >"IBM Corp. (NYSE: IBM), the No. 1 computer maker in the world, filed with
> >regulators to sell about $14.37 million worth of shares in Red Hat Inc.
> >(Nasdaq: RHAT), a Linux software operating system distributor. IBM filed on
> >March 23 to sell 250,000 shares it acquired through a private purchase from the
> >company about 13 months ago, according to a filing with the Securities and
> >Exchange Commission made available on Wednesday. A spokesman for Armonk,
> >N.Y.-based IBM was not immediately available for comment. IBM sold another
> >150,000 shares earlier this month worth an estimated $8.5 million, the filing
> >showed."
>
> So, this means that IBM exerts less (or no) control
> over Red Hat. Why is that a bad thing? Other investors
> bought that stock; Red Hat still has its capital.
>
> The local Costco has as big a display of Red Hat boxes
> as it does of Microsoft Windows.
>
> >Well, it was fun while it lasted. The fad's over, time to pull out.
> >
> >-Chad
>
> Chad, we're really not interested in the excuses you make
> to your wife in bed.
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From: Sascha Bohnenkamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 16:25:21 +0200
> Helix-modified-Gnome isn't all bad, but it's still a far cry from the
> ease-of-use of Windows/MacOS's GUI.
like ...
�1 'if it does not work -> reboot'
�2 'if it does not work after several reboots -> reinstall'
very nice, indeed
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From: The Cat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft tries to scam its Insurance Company
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:24:22 GMT
I've been trying to use pan but it keeps seg fauling on me with the
4/4/00 version. This is under Mandrake 7.0 running kde (with all Gnome
libs installed). One of the authors contaced me and asked for a bug
report. I have some time today so I am going to try it under Gnome and
see what happens and fill out the bug reports if it doesn't work.
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:41:05 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> "Agent under Wine and powered by Mandrake 7.0"
>A true Linuxer: (agent/wine/mandrake...ergg...)
>Why don't you check out pan-0.7.6?
>Pimp A-- Newsreadrer... Agent for the Linux
>community.
>
>
TheCat (Steve)
"Agent under Wine and powered by Mandrake 7.0"
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.kde,tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Re: KDE is better than Gnome
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:22:44 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH) wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:13:15 +0100, David Faure
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >David Steuber wrote:
> >> If you want to argue about which Corba ORB to standardize on, that
is
> >> an entirely different ball of wax. I think that it would be good
to
> >> have either one ORB or have Corba servers and clients work with all
> >> ORBs. Then you can drag a file from KFM and drop it on GIMP to
edit
> >> it or whatever. Maybe you can already do that. I haven't tried
it.
> >CORBA has nothing to do with Drag and drop. You can't drag from KFM
and
> >drop on gimp, but you can drag from konqueror and drop on gimp, since
> >Qt 2.x / KDE 2.x use the XDND protocol.
> [deletia]
>
> The Gimp should have access to xdnd.
>
> Just because an application programmer has access to all the bells
> and whistles, it doesn't mean that the programmer will use them.
Jedi, read what he wrote. He said Gimp HAS access to XDND, in fact,
he said Gimp USES XDND. I don't know if what he said is correct, not
using Gimp at all, but at least try to argue about what is there.
--
Roberto Alsina (KDE developer, MFCH)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...)
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 26 Apr 2000 22:31:11 +0800
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:00:18 GMT, s_Ea_DAag0n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:39:54 GMT, Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>sea_Dragon wrote:
>>
>>> Ah yes - the Linux way. It is so risky to install a new kernel and has such
>>> a high probability of wiping out your hard drive that you are recommended
Totall bullshit, this Wintroll doesnt know what happened, when HE screwed up
his install. Like "Steve/Heather/keys88" this will be *the* "Linux problem".
Of course its his own ignorance thats the problem.
>>> to install from a floppy, a media with is 100x slower. Nice.
Irrelevant statement.
>>
>>Yep.. no such thing as Windows "rescue disks" at all.
>
>Sure there are. Windows makes you create one when you install it.
Really ?, we get a choice.
>
>>Could've booted off a CD too.
>
>No I couldn't have. I don't have a CD-ROM drive on that computer. Does Linux
>support netbooting yet or is it still stuck in the 1960's?
Is that a sync i/o netboot, or a non sync i/o netboot ?
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: "Technical" vs. "Non-technical"... (was Re: Grasping perspective...)
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Date: 26 Apr 2000 22:41:19 +0800
On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:07:12 GMT,
George Russell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>How about remote admin ?
>>
>>Under Linux I can remotely admin a remote Linux box, using a GUI app
>>running on the remote box. Please explain how NT can do this. Your not allowed
>>to spend over $10 to obtain this facility either so the comparison remains
>>fair.
>
>VNC , from the AT&T lab in Cambridge, UK. GPL'ed. Works on Mac, Win*, X11,
>RiscOS, and Java.
>
>PCAnyWhere + Clones, from CD Roms on less than �5 computer mags.
Hmm pushing it George, last copy I bought was more than $10.
>
>With any sense, all admin is centralised and rdisted out at boot or need.
>
>George Russell
What can I say, except George knows how, and the Wintroll who I asked initially
did not as he failed to reply.
Please note all above are non Ms solutions.
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: "JC Nieukoop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red Hat Linux Backdoor Password Vulnerability
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:03:24 +0200
"Stefan Ohlsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad Myers wrote:
> >Seeing as how a simple buffer overrun was mistreated as a "backdoor" that
was
> >purposely placed by Microsoft, I thought it was only fitting to see how
> >Open Sores can fall victim to the same thing.
> >
> >http://xforce.iss.net/alerts/advise46.php3
>
> >"With this backdoor password, an attacker could compromise the web server
as
> >well as deface and destroy the web site."
> >
> "If the affected "piranha-gui" package is installed and the
> [default] password has not been changed by the administrator, the
> system is vulnerable."
>
> So, if the admin installs the package and does not alter the default
> password, then people who know this default password can log in.
> Any secutiry-concious admin would change it upon installing.
>
> /Stefan
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> Gabe: [burning stolen money] It costs a fortune to heat this place.
> /Cliffhanger
I don't see how he is supposed to do this since the password was
undocumented. That makes it a backdoor and a security issue.
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