Linux-Advocacy Digest #271, Volume #30 Thu, 16 Nov 00 17:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: And it just goes on and on.... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion. (Pete Goodwin)
Re: And it just goes on and on.... (.)
Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: And it just goes on and on.... (Aaron Ginn)
Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions? ("Frank Van Damme")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Tim)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (Tim)
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux? (Andy Newman)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Chad Myers")
Re: I WANT WIN2k drivers! (.)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (.)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (.)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Ayende Rahien")
Companies supporting KDE? (Donn Miller)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Companies supporting KDE? (Donn Miller)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Sam Morris")
Re: And it just goes on and on.... (David Dorward)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:58:17 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 09:15:30 -0500, mlw wrote:
> >Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > Most have
> >never seen assembly code.
>
> In a CS course ? Ouch.
In the computer programming course at my IT college, they just chopped
assembly out of the curriculum. I was heartbroken.
Also, pretty much all development is being done in Visual Studio. Bleah.
-ws
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: And it just goes on and on....
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:11:53 GMT
No.
claire
On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 05:10:49 -0500, Mike Raeder
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Yet another satisfied Linux user. Note the part about the hardware
>> working fine under Windows. That part is repeated over and over and
>> over again by people attempting to use Linux.
>
>And [EMAIL PROTECTED] goes on and on...
>
>Aren't you bored with yourself yet? :P
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:14:32 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hang on to it Pete, cause when it's a collectors item, Linux will have
> full support. You won't be able to buy ink for it anymore, but it will
> be supported.
Ink for a scanner, Claire?
=8*)
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: And it just goes on and on....
Date: 16 Nov 2000 20:13:28 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> No.
You're the only one.
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:25:08 GMT
Oh I thought it was a printer. Sorry.
Scanner?
Forget it. InSane (great name for a linux program) in it's current
half aborted state only supports hardware that the pimple faced
Penguinista's have been able to reverse engineer. By the time they get
around to your scanner it will be obsolete. But Linux and obsolete
hardware are a good match.
Too bad it wasn't a printer. You stand a better chance, not much
better, but better, with that piece of hardware :(
claire
On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:14:32 +0000, Pete Goodwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Hang on to it Pete, cause when it's a collectors item, Linux will have
>> full support. You won't be able to buy ink for it anymore, but it will
>> be supported.
>
>Ink for a scanner, Claire?
>
>=8*)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:37:51 -0500
JS/PL wrote:
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8uvb49$6kj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Tim Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >Rather funny, in all the time I've been using Outlook, I've never been
> > > >burned by a virus.
> > >
> > > Then either you've configured it to be more secure than the default, or
> > > no one has mailed you one. The KAK virus only required that you view
> > > the message (and even having the message show up in the preview pane was
> > > enough) to get infected.
> > >
> > > Haven't you ever wondered why Outlook gets hit by more viruses than
> > > other Windows email programs? It is because, until recently at least,
> > > by default, it would execute code in email WITHOUT asking for any
> > > confirmation.
> >
> > Because it is, by far, the most popular one?
>
> Agreed.
> That's like saying Billy-Bob's Trade Center is more secure than the World
> Trade Center because it's never been hit by a bomb.
Are you alleging that the uptime-record holders listed on Netcraft
haven't been attacked?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Aaron Ginn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: And it just goes on and on....
Date: 16 Nov 2000 13:06:01 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<snip long example of guy having problems with linux>
Tek, what's your point? I think everyone here knows that Linux is
more difficult to set up than Win9x. What kind of life do you lead
exactly where you spend all this time searching Usenet for examples of
people who are having various problems with Linux and posting them in
a Linux advocacy forum? Don't you think any of us could find examples
of people having problems with Windows and post them here? You need
to get a life.
Here's a problem I just fixed with Win98 SE last night. My wife uses
Eudora for mail, which I think is a very nice mail client, BTW.
Anyway, yesterday she tried to pull up Eudora, but everytime she
invoked the tool, she got a Page Fault violation and the tool would
simply crash and exit. Now, I've never touched any of the config
files for Eudora, but the tool just started failing on me without
explanation. I place the blame for this behavior squarely at the feet
of Windows.
Well, I re-downloaded Eudora, copied the Eudora folder in the
Program Files folder to a new location, reinstalled Eudora, and am in
the process of copying my previous settings back to the new install.
Do I think this is the end of the problem? No. I fully expect some
other problem to creep in at a later date. It always does with
Windows.
Windows is easier to set up than Linux. Windows is much more
difficult to _keep running_ than Linux. I know which one I prefer.
--
Aaron J. Ginn Phone: 480-814-4463
Motorola SemiCustom Solutions Pager: 877-586-2318
1300 N. Alma School Rd. Fax : 480-814-4463
Chandler, AZ 85226 M/D CH260 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Frank Van Damme" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake, thoughts? Opinions?
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:50:50 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 00:11:04 +0100, "Frank Van Damme"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>OK, do so. Laugh with people who try Linux, consider it good enough to
>>keep it and use it intensively.
>
> Good enough for you, a student I presume, is not good enough for me
An OS with 30 years of history, just good enough for students to mail and
type papers. Gimme a break. Got a problem with students? What's your
function in society?
>> Personally, I laugh at dumb-asses who
>>still use an ever-crashing windowsbox and claim they're using something
>>userfriendly. I also like jokes, cartoons and wallpapers about Gates and
>>MS.
> My Windows box never crashes. I do however enjoy the Gates/MS cartoons
> as much as the Linux ones.
>
>>You're really starting to annoy me with your idiot comments. Go laugh at
>>people at comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy.
>
> No reason to laugh at an operating system that has 90 percent or more of
> the desktop.
That is _not_ a technical argument. Yes, windows has my desktop 10% of
the time and Linux the other 90%. That allright. Both at a time is a bit
difficult :-) But imho the succes of Windows says very little about the
quality of their products. Everyone knows Gates is a commercial genius,
able of selling unexperienced people the biggest junk.
>>Are you sure you have seen a computer before?
>
> Long before your parents ever decided to waste their money sending you
> to school.
1. In fact, that means *you* paid my education. :-P
2. Can you please be a bit more specific?
> Figure out how to access Napster through the schools firewall yet?
>
> claire
Gimme seven days :-)
I'm not a hacker, I'm a u-s-e-r. Not every Linux user is a hacker.
btw Napster is a win/mac app. Moreover, I don't need the school's pc-rooms or
whatever, I prefer my own self-built Linuxbox over the university's win95
Dll's.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 22:50:06 +0200
"Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > > There is a difference between having a GUI and blurring the
distinction
> > > between programs and data.
> >
> > That is the whole point of GUI.
>
> Windows GUIs maybe, not UNIX/Linux GUIs.
KDE, Gnome, OS X, *every* good GUI does it.
> > > > > > In the Windows, Mac, OS/2 etc GUIs you manipulate and execute
> > Who is talking about the extention, I'm talking about the icon.
> > You can't miss that.
> >
>
> But does the user see the icon of an email attachment?
Of course, and he also gets to see its full name, including the extention,
even if he has extentions off, in the dialogs that asks him what he wants to
do with that attachment.
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From: Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:03:20 -0600
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:1dMQ5.154$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:MCIQ5.8699$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Hmmm.... rpm -qilp wine*.rpm
> >
> > four
>
> Oh that's MUCH better.
>
> Why not just rpm -l wine*.rpm?
>
> Why do I need FOUR, count them FOUR, arguments just to list the contents?
Because, Chad, you are an unimaginative idiot as usual.
Maybe you are querying a FILE; maybe you are querying an ALREADY INSTALLED
PACKAGE, maybe you are querying WHAT PACKAGE OWNS WHAT FILE on the
filesystem, or any other numerous query options you COULD use IF your OS
had a DATABASE DRIVEN SOFTWARE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. WHICH windows DOES NOT
HAVE.
--
Tim
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 15:06:35 -0600
Ayende Rahien wrote:
> I knew what .bashrc was, and what alias was, and I still wasn't able to
> get a simple
> alias cd..='cd ..'
> in a debian installation I tried.
> Logging off and restarting didn't help.
> Never understood why.
because you are using special characters (..) and must put them in double
quotes
it has to be
alias "cd.."='cd ..'
that works for me.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Date: 16 Nov 2000 21:08:27 GMT
On 16 Nov 2000 13:03:48 -0700, Craig Kelley wrote:
>"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>I beg to differ; any reasonable language doesn't need an extension
>like STL because they offer it as part of the base language.
What do you mean by "part of the base language", and can you give
an example ? STL is part of the ANSI 98 spec. That looks like
"base language" to me.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Newman)
Subject: Re: OT: Could someone explain C++ phobia in Linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:15:38 GMT
Michael Livshin wrote:
>I don't mean exceptions. I mean real errors. ones that lead to
>segfaults in C/C++ apps, since the stupid app just has no brains to
>cope with "out-of-bound" situations.
>
>possibility of recovery (or at least very graceful reporting) from
>*any* error is quite important for big long-running applications. you
>can't recover from a segfault terribly well, I'm afraid.
Well you could install every signal handler you can think of and
try to catch and handle things. Oh and hope the library routines
understand some of the changed environment (many can't hack non-
restarted system calls if you need that sort of thing).
>> The point is that something that is widely used is more likely to
>> attract criticism than something that is only used by its passionate
>> advocates. The fact that C++ is criticised is more a reflection of
>> the fact that it is used outside a small core of passionate
>> advocates.
>
>I'm afraid you are wrong here. C++ is criticized because it sucks.
To quote Alan Kay....
"I invented the term object oriented and C++ wasn't what I had in mind."
Very often proponents of C++ criticize those who dare to point out
some of its issues as being "procedural programmers" or "stuck in
the C mindset". In my experience it has been the more experienced
programmers with more knowledge of the original OOP systems that
(usefully) criticize C++. It being not *what* C++ does that is
upsetting but *how* it does it.
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Reply-To: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 20:56:32 GMT
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8v11sm$3k4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Do you use Linux?
> >>
> >> Yes
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > If yes, then you've used a "version" of Unix which doesn't have ACLs.
> >> >
> >>
> >> No
> >>
> >> >
> >> > HP-UX? HP-UX doesn't have ACLs without special add-ons. Even if it
> >> > does have ACLs (new improvement?) it isn't up to snuff because it
> >> > isn't even considered for audit by the TSEC.
> >> >
> >>
> >> HP, yes
>
> > Not by default.
>
> What? "default"? Chad, youve never even SEEN HP/UX. Stop pretending
> you have; you're making yourself look extremely foolish.
If I were to buy an HP server with HPUX on it, would it come with
ACLs as the default security implementation? Would the filesystem
on which most of the OS ran (where the root partition was mounted)
have ACLs, or is it just supported mildly for special circumstances?
It appears, HFS is the only filesystem which supports ACLs according
to a few IT Help Forum on HP's site, is this correct? It also appears
that the newest version of JFS for HP-UX 11 (JFS 3.3) now supports
ACLs.
Is DAC an overridding security principle in HP-UX, or is ACLs just
a token gesture in an attempt to modernize Unix security?
-Chad
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From: . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: I WANT WIN2k drivers!
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:14:04 +1300
> > Take
> > a look at Mandrake 7.2 plus StarOffice 5.2.
>
> I actually did and I rest my case. StarOffice? .... LOL!
Even though I do like Linux, I have to agree with Curtis on StarOffice...
I'm sure it functions well, but using it just seems painful.
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From: . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:23:35 +1300
> >>> Not to mention the OS's that don't report uptimes at all,
> >>> such as OS/2, OS/390, SunOS4, NetWare...
>
> >> On the contrary, OS/2 can report an uptime.
>
> > Hey, so can netware... teehee.
> >
> > I was pasting an earlier comment from Erik...
>
> Then why not use quotation marks?
Because I thought it was obvious that I was pasting his text, by using
the 'let me refresh your memory' part immediately beforehand.
> > I guess I should have >'d it. Have a quick look back through the
> > thread if you're still confused.
>
> You're erroneously presupposing that I was ever confused.
No, I'm correctly noting that you were confused, as was evidenced by your
reply to text I didn't write.
Text that was, in fact, being discussed in this thread.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: 16 Nov 2000 21:27:46 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8v11sm$3k4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Do you use Linux?
>> >>
>> >> Yes
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > If yes, then you've used a "version" of Unix which doesn't have ACLs.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> No
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > HP-UX? HP-UX doesn't have ACLs without special add-ons. Even if it
>> >> > does have ACLs (new improvement?) it isn't up to snuff because it
>> >> > isn't even considered for audit by the TSEC.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> HP, yes
>>
>> > Not by default.
>>
>> What? "default"? Chad, youve never even SEEN HP/UX. Stop pretending
>> you have; you're making yourself look extremely foolish.
Apparantly you lied about the killfile. Te Vis;
> If I were to buy an HP server with HPUX on it, would it come with
> ACLs as the default security implementation? Would the filesystem
> on which most of the OS ran (where the root partition was mounted)
> have ACLs, or is it just supported mildly for special circumstances?
Yes, yes, and no.
> It appears, HFS is the only filesystem which supports ACLs according
> to a few IT Help Forum on HP's site, is this correct?
No.
> It also appears
> that the newest version of JFS for HP-UX 11 (JFS 3.3) now supports
> ACLs.
Yes!
> Is DAC an overridding security principle in HP-UX,
Theres no real answer to this question. There are multiple implementations.
> or is ACLs just
> a token gesture in an attempt to modernize Unix security?
No, not even close, not even a little bit, not at all.
Now that youve regurgitated whitepaper, try going and actually getting
some unix experience, chad. Your arguments would be taken far more
seriously.
=====.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 23:01:56 +0200
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:eLHQ5.20834$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You can change MFT size quite easily.
> > > > Of course, you need to know how, but isn't it true everywhere?
> > >
> > > No, that isn't the kind of thing you should have to know,
> > > it should be in a quick reference program that matches
> > > the version of format you are running.
> >
> > That isn't something you need to know? Wow.
> > They how would you use it?
>
> Look it up when you need it.
That is what I did. Although I don't have a use for this.
> > Beside, it took me less than a minute to find how to change the MFT
size.
>
> The important thing is to know when you need that kind of
> tuning, you can always look up how. How long did it take you
> (starting from the time you encountered windows) to find
> out that what cases need it?
Never?
I was only became interested in changing MFT size after the discussion here.
I never had to change its size before.
You may not realize it, but 12.5% out of a normal HD in today's world are a
*lot*.
Something in the order of 1-2 GB on low volume HD.
It takes *tens of millions* of files (or actions on files) to the MFT to
start filling up that much space.
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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:45:50 -0500
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Companies supporting KDE?
I'd likle to see some of this. KDE is offering the capability for a
nice application framework. AFAIK, no companies are putting $$$ into
KDE as a desktop. Why not? companies are starting to support GNOME.
While a decent desktop environment, it does not support C++ as well as
GNOME. (Ah-oh, I think I'm starting to step on some toes here.)
Do you know the saddest part about MS and Windoze NT is? A lot of
people who are diehard Unix (Linux, BSD, Solaris) fans who work in
various fields are slowly seeing their 'nix boxes replaced with NT. The
reason, I am told, is that there have been a lot of apps ported from
unix to NT. Big deal! This is a good reason to switch? What the hey.
Those folks also tell me that Windoze NT offers something that unix/X11
doesn't: the ability to do plots, analysis on data, and cut -n- pasting
into spreadsheets and databases. They also say that it's easier to do
this in Windoze than it is under unix. This is sad but true.
Sadly enough, a lot of engineering departments are moving away from
Solaris and other unices into (UGHHHHH!!!) NT, simply because more
software is becoming available for NT. Where does it stop? KDE fits in
here, because it is giving us the capability to do all that cut -n-
paste shit that department managers enjoy so much from
engineering/analysis software into other crap like spreadsheets and
databases.
I really hate these kind of department managers who think they know
everything. Gee, NT has more software available for it, and get this:
you can cut -n- paste into MS Word! Oh boy, as if a properly designed
piece of engineering software couldn't do this by exporting to a text
format.
Dept. managers also get all excited over this Windoze clipboard thing,
because "it's so neat, you can choose what kind of format you can paste
FROM, such as plain text, word, bitmap, blah blah blah". I think that's
where we need KDE to fit in here with its DCOP thingie. Gawd, what is
it about Winoze clipboard that makes managers all hot and excited?
Us computer knowlegeable people want our 'NIX boxes back please. Thank
you very much.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 21:48:57 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Sam Morris
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:11:23 -0000
<nPRQ5.2265$Xd.52027@stones>:
>> Funny thing. On my IBM windows 95 system a new window pops up titled
>> C:\Windows\help full of icons accompanied by names like CMDLG95.cnt and
>> so forth (150 objects 13.5 MB).
>
>That is odd. Typing the name of a directory at the command prompt shouldn't
>start a new Explorer window pointing at that location. Instead you should
>see Bad Command or Filename. For some reason your machine is opening the
>Help folder in your system folder. Bizarre.
I would think this is Standard Operating Procedure for Windows.
Start > Run, for example, then type in any directory path -- and
one gets Explorer, displaying that directory (and the icons within it).
Admittedly a useful shortcut, but a tad counterintuitive.
It appears that Microsoft is blurring the lines between an
application window, and a file display window (that's not too
bad, because a file browser after all is an app, too).
The "proper" method of doing this might be something like
Start > Run, then type in "explorer dirpath"
(which works, BTW, from both Start > Run and Command Prompt).
Note that it is possible that Explorer attempts to
locate a prior copy of itself (I know Netscape does,
under certain conditions), but the Graphical Shell (which is
also Explorer, as I understand it.) may or may not know this.
It probably shouldn't care. :-)
(Note: I am running NT4. I've seen similar behavior in Win2k,
though.)
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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:56:46 -0500
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Companies supporting KDE?
Donn Miller wrote:
>
> I'd likle to see some of this. KDE is offering the capability for a
> nice application framework. AFAIK, no companies are putting $$$ into
> KDE as a desktop. Why not? companies are starting to support GNOME.
> While a decent desktop environment, it does not support C++ as well as
> GNOME. (Ah-oh, I think I'm starting to step on some toes here.)
Oops, I meant GNONE doesn't support C++ as well as KDE.
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From: "Sam Morris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 22:05:30 -0000
Hmmmmm. It worked fine when I had Win98 and I am positive it works on the 95
boxes I have access to.
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From: David Dorward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: And it just goes on and on....
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 22:09:52 +0000
Aaron Ginn wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> <snip long example of guy having problems with linux>
>
> Tek, what's your point? I think everyone here knows that Linux is
> more difficult to set up than Win9x. What kind of life do you lead
I disagree. On my system Windows took about 3 hours to get working, and it
still crashed with when I try to use the TV card, even after updating all
the drivers to the latest versions. On the other hand, Linux (Mandrake 7.2)
installed in 40 minutes, even down to autodetecting my TV card, which works
perfectly.
In fact the only bit of hardware that doesn't work is my MPEG decoder card
- which isn't supported at all, yet.
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