Linux-Advocacy Digest #339, Volume #26 Tue, 2 May 00 13:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots (Matt Francis)
Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots (JEDIDIAH)
Re: which OS is best? (dakota)
Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Government to break up Microsoft (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Web page rendering Linux (KDE) vs. windows 2000 (JEDIDIAH)
Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots ("Mr. Rupert")
Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Are we equal? (Craig Kelley)
Re: Are we equal? (Craig Kelley)
Re: which OS is best? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: which OS is best? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Are we equal? ("Edward L. Sandwicheater")
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From: Matt Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 11:05:34 -0500
Full Name wrote:
> On Tue, 2 May 2000 10:28:41 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Geoff
> Lane) wrote:
>
> >
> >The ideal personal computer system has yet to appear. All we know at the
> >moment is the current systems suck. The only way to discover the best is
> >try the rest.
>
> By "we" I assume you mean Lunix advocates who refuse to learn how to
> set up and maintain a reliable Win95/98 system.
Please redefine "reliable" for me... I play games in '98, and I reboot often
because the video properties aren't returned when I am done playing... If my
machine doesn't appear on the network, I reboot, and magically, after a few
minutes I appear, and life can resume.
I "upgraded" from win95 to win98 because '98 is more reliable, but still... I
reinstall it every 6 months or so, because reliability is more and more
erratic with the passage of time
> At my last job all of the clients ran Win95/98 (with the exception of
> two NT boxes). There were more than 70 client PC's.
Wow... somebody paid for that...
> Each day we processed students, marked exams, organised lectures and
> performed important research. Each year PhD students completed their
> theses and honours students met their deadlines. All on Win95/98
> clients.
I worked on my thesis at home some usinq a Word Perfect demo... on Linux
...Deadlines, however were not met in a timely fashion, but that was hardly
the fault of an OS :)
> Our user down time across the 70 machines was negligible. When
> clients did fail it was simply a matter of hot swapping with a fresh
Deletia... That is all swell...
> second of unplanned down time.
Then there is this concept of planned downtime -- WHY???
#smiling
> Our four main NT servers performed the following functions:
>
> WWW & E-mail Server
> Modem Bank Server (8 modems)
Deletia...
> travelling to the remote site.
>
> In the six months since I have left and the new administrator has
> taken over they have experienced zero unplanned down time across all
> eight servers.
More planned downtime???
> If you think such a system sucks then you are simply clueless.
No...
I am poor...
But informed and educated, and willing to learn...
--
Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://people.unt.edu/~mf0004
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 16:06:53 GMT
On Tue, 02 May 2000 01:05:07 -0500, Bobby D. Bryant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> However, to believe for a moment that Linux could replace, or even
>> co-exist with Windows in the home environment is a pipe dream fantasy
>> of the Linux zealots.
>
>Well, you're right about the "co-exist" part. My home environment is
>completely Windows free.
They co-exist fine. Once you get a samba server up and running,
it looks no different to a Windows client than it would if it
were running on a Windows machine.
With something like swat, it's even EASY (or rather convenient)
to tweak things.
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From: nospam (dakota)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 16:08:18 GMT
On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:33:52 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Having just come through a few Linux installs (notably LinuxPPC,
>Mandrake 7, and most recently RedHat 6.2) I'd still have to disagree
>here - NT (well, the current incarnation, Win2000) is easier. Face it
>- going through a bunch of MAN pages to do common things just isn't
>fun.
I have never had to go through man pages for any Linux install from
Caldera Openlinux 1.2 - 2.4, RedHat 5.1-6.0, or even TurboLinux, and
Mandrake 7 is the easiest of all (that's what I've got at home).
However, given the moronic nature of the average windows-user some
reading may be required. If you think something's hard to do, try
changing the TCP MTU settings in Win9x/NT without the use of a
third-party registry interface.
>Try Win2k; I think you'll find it removes this (and other) NT4
>problems. However, face it - how often do you need to redo the
>network settings in NT? Once it's set up, you shouldn't need to
>change anything.
>
>
But for $300+ dollars I don't care what I should or shouldn't need I
only care about what I want to do with it. There is always the
possibility that I want to change DNS settings or ip address, etc.
Try using NT4 as a PPP/SLIP server, HINT: It won't last long.... I
thought about trying Win2k but that ip allocation problem (51 ip
address limit) definantly puts a stop to that. Also, does Win2k
support IP masquarading or ipchains? Can I take Win2k and build a
complete firewall using something similar to ipchains out of the box
WITHOUT buying third-party software? Can Win2k/NT/Win9x tell me what
TCP or UDP ports are listening without using third-party software (use
netstat -a in linux). And there is still something about running a
GUI on a "so-called" server that I can't get over and to top it off
the trolls say that it doesn't use any resources, LOL.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 16:08:43 GMT
On Tue, 02 May 2000 09:19:09 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>>Anyway how is a home network with internet connection sharing, printer
>>sharing, scanner sharing and firewall set up easily under Linux?
>
>>Answer; it isn't.
>
>OK, here is another question: Why didn't Win98 include the "find computer"
>program when it installed on my laptop? It's a real pain --- instead of
???
You can put the IP of your Linux Samba server in lmhosts if you
really need to. You should be able to browse a Linux samba share
under '98.
>simply copying back and forth from the Samba exported filesystems of my
>linux boxes, I have to use the (sickening) ftp client or put the files
>up on my linux box's http server, and use IE to download them.
...samba.org has a really nice troubleshooting guide.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Government to break up Microsoft
Date: 2 May 2000 11:02:30 -0500
In article <#y6EBGBt$GA.226@cpmsnbbsa03>, <btolder> wrote:
>
>> Microsoft's size allowed it to force everyone else to make their
>> PPP equipment match up with the non-standard MS version of PPP.
>> While this might appear simple from the windows user side it
>> was a nightmare for anyone with dialup hardware in 1994. And
>> most Linux distributions have fill-in-the-form dialogs to set
>> up the connections too (and they are fully capable of running
>> both ends of the connections).
>
>Non-standard version of PPP? In 1997 there were no fewer than 10 proposals
>for PPP compression on the table. How could there be a standard? Compression
>was a vital part of making the internet experience tolerable very early on.
>Had Microsoft not driven a stake in the ground for PPP and compression,
>consumers would have had to suffer with compromised connect speeds.
Compression isn't the problem - that is negotiated correctly so
the other end is not required to match to establish a
connection. I'm talking about MS-CHAP which ended up
being painfully patched into everybody else's equipment.
>I think Microsoft assumed a leadership position for PPP.
Does leadership mean going your own way and demanding that
everyone else follow?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Web page rendering Linux (KDE) vs. windows 2000
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 16:13:59 GMT
On Tue, 2 May 2000 02:56:10 -0400, Jim Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Mon, 1 May 2000 01:00:13 -0400, Jim Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> >> As of yet, this is painfully true indeed.
>> >> Thread support in Linux has been just fine for 6 months or so,
>> >> though. The biggest problems lie in speed and user-friendliness.
>> >> These two problems have, however, recently been addressed with
>> >> the advent of XFree86 4.0, which is still not to be considered
>> >> stable enough for distributing.
>> >> I heard, though not experienced, that the adding of
>> >> (Truetype-)fonts is much easier than before.
>> >> Also, the X-system (finally) gets a hook into the kernel (DRI),
>> >> which improves speed -dramatically-. This would finally make
>> >> high-bandwidth DV a possibility, as well as high-performance
>> >> gaming.
>> >
>> >Now if anti-aliasing support gets done I'll be very happy.
>> >Even with TrueType fonts, without anti-aliasing, fonts look jagged.
>> >
>> >I know I'm being picky on this, but it would make Linux+X look much more
>> >professional,
>> >especially when viewing a presentation were the first slide usually
>contains
>> >a large font and a picture.
>> >Everyone notices I'm sure, if not understanding why it looks bad.
>>
>> a) You can get similar results with Type 1 fonts.
>
>Not out of the box and not without tinkering.
Bullshit.
The default fonts are more than adequate for this.
Plus, you're going to be 'tinkering' either way.
TrueType is no silver bullet.
>Quality fonts out of the box is a must for a quality desktop system.
What fonts?
This is quite relevant in making comparisons.
Any other GUI comes with about 2 installed fonts as well.
(something you learn when stealing fonts from Win9x while
playing with TT font servers)
[deletia]
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From: "Mr. Rupert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 11:16:04 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> First off, Linux is a great operating system and given the proper
> venue it is a good choice.
>
> However, to believe for a moment that Linux could replace, or even
> co-exist with Windows in the home environment is a pipe dream fantasy
> of the Linux zealots.
>
> As an example I offer up the home networking problem. The reality, and
> it is a good one, is that home networking is becoming a big reality.
> Families with children are competing with each other for internet
> time, printers, scanners and so forth. Most new home construction
> includes pre-wired Cat 5 cable as an option.
>
> Anyway how is a home network with internet connection sharing, printer
> sharing, scanner sharing and firewall set up easily under Linux?
>
> Answer; it isn't.
>
> Oh sure you can play with Samba if you happen to not have a
> Win-printer and assuming you are able to figure out how to set it up
> it might work ok. You can play with ip masquerading and ip-chains and
> so forth, entering all kinds of crap in text files and so forth.
> That is of course assuming you know what to enter. How many times in
> the Linux help system do you see "ask your system administrator"
> mentioned?
> So who is the sys admin of a home network??
>
> Know how you do all of the above with Windows 98se or Win2k?
> Select internet connection sharing in help and the wizard does it all
> for you.
>
>
Oh sure, a home network system can always be an all Microsoft solution
as long as you are willing to NOT connect to the Internet. Once connected
to the Internet an all Microsoft network solution with its interoperable
backdoors allows Mr Gates to sit in his big easy chair at home in front
of his big screen TV and browse your hard drive.
Thanks, but no thanks.
I'm old fashioned, I like my privacy.
--
Mr Rupert
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 16:14:29 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Not trying to assume anything, but if YOU go to any computer club,
> strike up a chat at Compusa, strike up at chat at any trade show,
> Computer show, ham fest etc, it will be YOU that is in the minority
> and YOU that will spend countless time explaining Linux and what it is
> about.
BUZZZ wrong again. The fact that I am in a minority does not make me
wrong nor does it change MY NEEDS. Infact, in certain areas Unix and
Unix like OS's are the majority (Servers). There was a time that I had
to explain what Linux was, but after all the VERY GOOD PRESS Linux has
had over the last year, I do not need to explain Linux at all.
>
> It will be YOUR kids that will have to go in circles trying to find
> software that conforms to their college standards. It will be YOUR
> kids that will have to explain Linux to all of the other kids as well
> as teachers in their school that will most likely be running Windows.
>
Buzz Wrong again. I do not have ANY kids and unless there are some major
canges, it is quite impossible for me to have any. Once again your close
minded Wintroll(tm) assumtions prove that you are incapable of putting
forth ideas that apply to MY needs.
> So if YOU wish to run Linux, that is great but understand that YOU are
> in a small, very small in fact, minority that are excersising their
> choice in operating systems. If YOU are willing to assume all of the
> ablve, both plus and minus, that's great.
And YOU need to relaize that I made the choice based on MY NEEDS and
quit telling me that I am wrong!
>
> I prefer to ignore the os and get some work done that conforms to
> accepted standards, meaning what everyone else is using.
>
That is why I run Linux. I don't have to fix the OS all the time, the
way I have to with MS OS's or spend hours on hold with MS tech support.
> On Tue, 02 May 2000 03:21:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >> First off, Linux is a great operating system and given the proper
> >> venue it is a good choice.
> >>
> >> However, to believe for a moment that Linux could replace, or even
> >> co-exist with Windows in the home environment is a pipe dream
fantasy
> >> of the Linux zealots.
> >>
> >
> >
> >Buzz, wrong answer. Windows has been replaced at my home. You, Like
most
> >WinTrolls(tm) seem to think that one size fits all. Well MS products
DO
> >NOT FIT MY NEEDS. Linux does. Please do NOT tell me what will work
best
> >on *MY* home computer.
> >
> >
> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >Before you buy.
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Subject: Re: Are we equal?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 02 May 2000 10:09:44 -0600
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Craig Kelley wrote:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JoeX1029) writes:
> >
> > > Elian is from a country that we have barred any type of trade with.
> > > Nothing from Cuba is allowed in the U.S. My best friends dad and 2
> > > sisters had to spend so amny months (6 i think) in the US to get
> > > citizenship. His sister finished school early and went back home
> > > and got stripped of her citizenship. Is that equal? Why should
> > > Elian be allowed to stay in the States? He should have been back
> > > the same day he arrived here.
> >
> > His mother died brining him here.
>
> So, that only means she did a poor job planning her trip. I don't mean
> to be heartless, but, lets face it. It does not matter. How many mexican
> mothers die trying to come to this country to have their children on our
> soil so that their children will be citizens? How many mexicans die
> trying to bring their children here?
So have a heart then. Give in every once in a while. Elian's mother
gave her life to get him here; that's a hearty endorsement for what
she wanted for him and should count for at least as much as what his
father wants.
When you consider the stories of how his father didn't care for him at
all when he lived in Cuba, and how his father is basically part of
Castro's millitary regime, it becomes even more important to find the
truth before "giving him back". The Miam relatives only wanted a
family court to decide his fate, is that so wrong?
> It is hipocracy, either we let everyone that wishes to be here, come
> here, or we turn away everyone that comes in without proper visas.
You obviously have never lived amongst the latin people in the US
then. There is a very nice arrangement between them and the states
they live in, in which they are allowed to come to the US unofficially
to work. We are allowed to go to most latin countries, and they are
allowed to come here more often than not (it may take a few jumps of
the border if you're from Mexico).
I don't know about the other border states, but California's economy
depends on "illegal" aliens.
And besides, who were the illegal aliens in 1492?
> Sending Elian back to Cuba with his father is far better than most of
> the other things INS is forced to do by the letter of the law.
Agreed, but the INS is only "forced" by we, the people...
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crossposted-To:
alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,talk.politics
Subject: Re: Are we equal?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 02 May 2000 10:17:24 -0600
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Craig Kelley wrote:
> >
> > mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Be serious.
> > >
> > > Elian was being held, by distant relatives, against the wishes of his
> > > father. It was about time the U.S. government corrected this injustice
> > > against the clear right of a parent to raise their child.
> >
> > Being a biological father does not give you those rights, that's why
> > we have familiy courts and such. If Elian's father loved him so much,
> > then why did he abandon him to his mother who felt that life was so
> > bleak she risked it to go to the US?
>
> Do you know that he abandoned him? I'm not sure I beleive that. I have
> heard nothing seriously like that. I can only empathize with what I
> know. If a distent uncle of mine would not give me my son, I would
> probably have been less controlled.
Gee, maybe a court could have cleared that up...
> > (4) Let the judical system handle it as if Elian were a citizen, and
> > don't send the INS in with fully automatic weapons.
>
> But, Elian was NOT a citizen. If he were canadian, french, english,
> spanish, mexican, or what ever, this whole thing would not be an issue.
> They would be forced to return the child to his father, and that would
> be that. If they failed to comply, they would have been deported.
People don't implore for political asylum from those contries, so
there is no comparison.
> I don't see what the problem is. I saw a story in 60 Minutes about a
> girl who was adopted by a Vietnam Vet, less than a year old. Grew up in
> the USA, has a social security number, everything. She did not even know
> she was not a US citizen, so, she voted. They are going to deport her
> for the crime of voting without being a citizen. She has more right to
> be here than Elian does, and no one is posting messages about her!
It has to start somewhere. Why not here?
It has to start sometime. Why not now?
[snip about Dennis Leary's No Cure for Cancer :) ]
> That's really my only perspective. I am a father, I know how I would
> feel if someone in Cuba tried to keep my son away from me. I would find
> every "Chuck Norris" wannabe and invade the f^%%king country and demand
> my son back.
Oh? So you'd abandon him in your own country and then, when Castro
called you up to serve the state you'd hop on a plane with 25 guards
who will ensure that you don't jump ship? You'd put up with a leader
who places your mother in prison to ensure the safety of "poor
Elian".
Castro is a rotten person. Any Cuban that makes it to the US should
be granted asylum. Even six-year-old kids.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: 2 May 2000 11:39:46 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>Check out the linx router project (from memory, www.lrp.com a websearch would
>>turn up their site if that is wrong.)
>
>Why would I want to do that?
They have a minimal kernel with network drivers, small enough to
boot from a floppy. If you are working to make a small kernel,
this one is already done and might work for you.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The Dream World of Linux Zealots
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 16:29:43 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Tue, 02 May 2000 03:58:49 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >
> >User error is NOT a problem with Linux. I don't have any problem with
> >Samba passwords or the printing. In fact, Samba has just taken the
place
> >of the Win2000 file server at a customer I support because Samba+Unix
> >makes for a FAR more flexable server than Win2000.
>
> I wasn't talking about a customer, I was referring to a home system.
> Don't change the subject to try and show Linux in a positive light.
>
> YOU know how to set all this shit up.
> GrandMa Windows user doesn't.
>
> How about answering the other points like ZoneAlarm, firewalls and so
> forth under Linux..
>
> I'll save you the time...Don't waste your time... Home users have so
> much ease of use software available for Windows that Linux is not even
> an option. Not even close. Only in your, hate Microsoft world.
>
> I feel sorry for your family because they are missing out on an entire
> world of easy to use powerful software...Alas,they will learn someday
> and you will look foolish.
BUZZ, wrong again!
I get plenty of calls from "GrandMa windows user" for me to fix
her computer! I know quite well that if she was running Linux she would
not be having the trouble she was having. I wish I could get her to
convert to Linux. If she EVER needed help, it would be quite simple for
me the login to here system and FIX the problem in MINUTES (no
frustration) and not spend hours trying to talk "GrandMa windows user"
though dozens of windows getting both of us frustrated...
Most of my family is quite jealous of what I can do with my system. They
do not realize that it has more to do with the OS I chose than my
abilities.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Date: 2 May 2000 11:37:01 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>The first time you do anything it is new and different.
>
>Not just the first time...
Well after you get it right, repeating the process becomes
easier.
>>>There's nothing *hard* about it if you know waht to do; I'm just
>>>telling what I did, so perhaps someone can tell me why it doesn't
>>>work.
>>
>>It sounds like you managed to get a mismatch between the modules
>>and the kernel. What happens if you try to 'insmod' the ones
>>that aren't loading?
>
>How could I do that? The kernel source is the same as what was
>included in RH6.2 - nothing's been updated; I want to just change a
>few kernel options.
Either you have old modules from before your recompile still in
/lib/modules/kernel_rev and they are now incompatible because
of a change you made, or you don't have all the new modules
you need there.
>>>> zImage,bzImage,zlilo,bzdisk & zdisk are all somewhat cryptic.
>>>
>>>It's -all- cryptic.
>>
>>'make install' does all this stuff.
>
>All what stuff? That's not in the docs, it appears.
Do you mean you don't have docs for 'make' or you don't understand
why it is relevant? "Make install" does whatever the 'install'
target in the Makefile says to do, including any other steps
needed to update dependent files.
>>>Yep. On the P2/450 it takes 5-10 minutes.
>>
>>You can build there and copy over.
>
>Tried that. Got the same module errors, and that stopped me from
>getting on the network, which put me in my current predicament (having
>to compile on the 486 because I can't get on the net anymore). That
>machine's running the exact same RH6.2.
If you have any disk space to spare at all, I'd try to get the
original system working again (maybe a forced rpm update of
the kernel would work), then change your lilo to dual boot
a renamed copy. I think if you change the EXTRAVERSION = line
at the top of the kernel Makefile you would be able to build
a custom version of the same revision level kernel with modules
kept in a separate directory from the originals. This should
let you make mistakes without them being fatal.
>>Do you get error messages?
>
>Sure; I listed them already; want me to e-mail you some logfiles? The
>modules won't load, devfs won't load, /proc/pcmcia isn't found....
I don't know enough about the pcmcia initialization process to
be much help. The only install I've done on a laptop was with
a Mandrake 7.0 and it just worked. But, if you can do a
'dmesg' after booting a working configuration, the one from
the failing configuration will probably give you a hint about
what went wrong.
>> Do you have anything in /etc/modules.conf
>>for things the install process detected but you removed from
>>the configuration you built?
>
>Huh?
Oops, make that /etc/conf.modules. Most config files are logical
so I trip over the ones that aren't. The RedHat install process
will auto-detect most of your hardware and builds a list
of modules/options that the kernel tries to load at bootup. If
you've changed something that breaks these, you need to
edit it by hand or maybe run kudzu to autodetect again.
>>Does your lilo load a ramdisk,
>>and if so did you rebuild the image with your new modules (or
>>stop using it if you don't need it to boot)?
>
>LILO doesn't use a ramdisk. There is no initrd = statement; I load
>bzImage directly; this is purely an IDE workstation.
That makes things easier, and if you were building a different
kernel rev you would automatically have different module directories
so dual-booting would work right. With the same rev you have
to change something to keep your modules separate.
Les Mikesell
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From: "Edward L. Sandwicheater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,talk.politics
Subject: Re: Are we equal?
Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 16:49:15 GMT
Craig Kelley wrote:
> Oh? So you'd abandon him in your own country and then, when Castro
> called you up to serve the state you'd hop on a plane with 25 guards
> who will ensure that you don't jump ship? You'd put up with a leader
> who places your mother in prison to ensure the safety of "poor
> Elian".
>
You want to show us some evidence that any of Elains relatives have been
detained? They haven't been, this was a rumor spread by US Propaganda
Radio (Radio Marti) .
> Castro is a rotten person. Any Cuban that makes it to the US should
> be granted asylum. Even six-year-old kids.
>
Castro may be a rotten person, but he is certainly better then any other
leader of Cuba in this century. And he is certainly no where near as bad
as right wing extremists pretend he is. The majority of people in Cuba
are there because they want to be. The majority of people in Cuba are
better off then they were before the Revolution when they were 'owned'
by US corporations and US backed dictators. Cuba has history of
revolutions, if the people didn't want Castro , Castro would be gone. We
have no right to dictate how a man raises his child as long as that
child is not being abused (like he was in Miami by the Anti castro
fanatics). The fact that you don't like his politics is in no way
relevant to what is legally and morally correct. Legally and morally he
should be with his father.
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