Linux-Advocacy Digest #348, Volume #26 Wed, 3 May 00 02:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: Are we equal? (abraxas)
Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance... (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Are we equal? (abraxas)
Re: Dvorak calls Microsoft on 'innovation' (Christopher Browne)
Re: which OS is best? (Jim Richardson)
Re: Is the PC era over? (abraxas)
Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance... (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Dvorak calls Microsoft on 'innovation' (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: UI Standards (was Re: KDE is better than Gnome) (John Jensen)
Re: Are we equal? (JEDIDIAH)
Re: SeaDragon openly confesses he's an IDIOT (Was: Re: "Technical" vs.
"Non-technical"... ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: Are we equal? (Christopher Browne)
Re: Help ... ... P l e a s e ? (Leslie Mikesell)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To:
alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,talk.politics
Subject: Re: Are we equal?
Date: 3 May 2000 05:19:41 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3 May 2000 01:30:05 GMT, abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>>>How does Occams razor feel about the fact that the vast majority of
>>>>Cubans stay in Cuba? The most likely reason is that most people dont
>>
>>> ...as they do in China, Albania and did in the Soviet Union.
>>
>>I see that you have probably not been to cuba. It *is* possible
>>for an american citizen to travel to cube; I would highly suggest
>>it. It may be a little different than your assumptions.
> You could go to Moscow and see the 'nice furry side' of the
> Soviet Union in 1984 too. You could do the same today even.
I was there in 1988, for about three months. It was very, very
different from what id been told.
It wasnt completely different though, admittedly. But alot of my
opinions about what went on in the soviet union were permanently
changed through personal experience with russia and georgia.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance...
Date: 3 May 2000 00:10:22 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>So again for the 3rd time, prove me wrong and show me specifically how
>much easier it is to set up:
You really do have a point that most people haven't taken seriously
here. I'd guess that like me, most of the people using Linux
set it as their internet gateway long before Win98SE recently
added the capability, and perhaps no one else has bothered to
install that version since they don't need it.
>1. Internet connection sharing.
>2. Printer/scanner sharing with Linux/Windows mixed system.
>3. Firewall (software based).
You can buy the NetMax version with this stuff ready to go
out of the box. Or the April 2000 Linux Journal has a
couple of 3 page articles showing a couple of different
ways to do it.
>Again under Win98SE:
>
>1. Internet connection sharing:
> Try help "how do I share my internet connection?" duhhhhhh
This doesn't get installed by default, at least not on an
upgrade from win95, so it isn't quite as obvious as you make
it out to be. But, once you select it on the install CD and
load it, it is simple enough.
>2. Printer Sharing:
> Click on Printers/Share Duhhhh again.
Unless I've forgotten something, the smb.conf file in the
redhat distribution automatically shares all the printers
configured in the linux system if you activate samba.
So Linux wins on this one.
>3. Firewall:
> Try Zonealarm which has been written up in just about every
>magazine and trade rag. No configuration necessary. It blocks your
>ports and informs you with a popup everytime something is trying to
>gain access to your system. You have the option of giving access or
>not. No need to type in all kinds of ip addresses although you can do
>that if you wish also.
This is built into the ipchains systems that controls the NAT
operation so you don't need to find another utility. However
you probably will have to paste the example from the documentation
into your own control file.
>So how does one go about doing this easily under Linux?
>
>It's very easy to do under Windows. Not one file to edit.
You seem to be juxtaposing ease against editing files here.
Why? Do you really not edit files on your computer? Or
is there some conceptual hurdle to typing words?
>So how about a direct rebuttal to prove me wrong instead of all of the
>lame attempts at deflecting a direct question.
Actually I think you are right, but only in the case where you
are willing to accept defaults with no way to control them. And
how often do you do this setup anyway? Even if the Linux setup
requires editting a few files, you do it once following the
steps in a 3 page article and it will run for years.
>Is answering a direct question too difficult for the Linux people?
Most Linux people probably haven't bothered to set up a Win98SE
system - I only did it to make things work the same either way
on a dual-boot machine. I have to admit I was surprised (shocked)
that it actually worked after all the difficulty I have had
with anything earlier from Microsoft dealing with any routing
concepts. All it would take to duplicate the ease of configuration
though (given the lack of choices) would be a few canned files
and a script to activate demand dialing, dhcpd, ipchains, and
perhaps a caching DNS server (I forget whether win98se has one
or not - it should). I'd be surprised if someone hasn't already
throw this together so you don't have to cut and paste from
the documentation examples.
Les Mikesell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To:
alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,talk.politics
Subject: Re: Are we equal?
Date: 3 May 2000 05:22:05 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All of my inlaws are from the former Communist Bloc.
Not all former communist bloc countries were equal...
> It's far better than "there are some of them left, they must all
> just love being there" or "they're not all in the mountains with
> AK-74's, so they must all support the current regime".
I understand that. But I think its far better to talk directly to the
people you have pegged and see what THEY think.
In my experience, there are alot of cubans who are very unhappy with
castro's regime. But there are also alot of cubans who are very happy
with it. Its a complex issue.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dvorak calls Microsoft on 'innovation'
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 05:25:43 GMT
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Jen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote on 2 May 2000 21:26:03 -0500
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>I'm growing weary of this "where is the Microsoft innovation" crap.
>
>Microsoft actually did innovate some interesting stuff...some of it
>in the legal department. :-) However, I'm not sure if anyone else has
>been able to integrate an operating system, a spreadsheet, an E-mailer,
>a word processor, a slide show generator and shower, and a bitmap
>picture editor in quite the way Microsoft did. (And that can be
>taken in a number of ways! :-) )
Indeed.
Although the integration was rather more nearly pioneered by Lotus.
Anyone remember Symphony? It was crippled by the DOS 640K limit,
but combined spreadsheet, word processor, communications/terminal software,
graphing, and database forms all in one.
>>Where is the "innovation" is an operating system that has it's roots
>>in the 1960s (Linux).
>
>There is none, there. However, innovations abound elsewhere.
>X (The X Window System, that is, but I'll just call it X
>for the sake of brevity :-) ), for instance, was "innovated"
>in the mid-80's; TCP/IP was created in the early to mid-80's
>by the Woolongong group, IIRC.
>
>(I still remember the advertisements for the VS100 on the VAX,
>back in the mid-80's. In terms of modern equipment, it's now a
>piece of junk. :-) )
>
>Now X in itself isn't much of a GUI -- in fact, it's not a GUI
>at all. However, GUIs abounded, for a time, on X; Gnome and KDE
>are merely the two latest. Others include Interviews (a C++
>variant that may still be around), Motif (naturally), Athena
>(if anyone can stand its 2-d look anymore; a 3-d variant is
>also available), and [one of Perl, Tcl, or Python]/Tk.
>
>And Mosaic was created on Unix, AFAIK, starting it all. (Internet
>Explorer was created from Spyglass code; I think Netscape might
>have been, too; both are now heavily mutated, of course.)
>
>There's also the issue of loadable modules and dynamically loadable
>libraries, neither of which were present on Unix in its early days.
>
>Old-style Unix also had rather poor memory management, compared
>to today's hardware; if an process wanted more memory, it had to
>tack it onto the end of the physical image of the process. If
>another process got in the way, well, that other process had to
>be physically moved to somewhere else in physical memory. If it
>didn't fit, it got shoved to a swapfile somewhere ("swapped out").
>
>(One of the more interesting displays was the ability to show the
>physical location of each process on a cursor-addressable screen.)
>
>I think a variant of Unix running on the VAX -- I don't know if it
>was Ultrix, or BSD -- finally figured out that each individual page
>could be sitting anywhere in physical memory, or swapped out
>to disk. (VMS might have been there first, though; I don't remember
>now.)
Um. All of this, including dynamically-linked libraries, was available
in Multics.
Hint: Before working on projects that "culminated" in UNIX at Bell Labs,
Dennis Ritchie worked on Project Mac. He presumably knew about some of
the functionality of Multics before starting work on UNIX...
And a considerable portion of more modern developments in paging came
with TENEX/TOPS-10 and TOPS-20.
--
Rules of the Evil Overlord #31. "No matter how well it would perform, I
will never construct any sort of machinery which is completely
indestructible except for one small and virtually inaccessible
vulnerable spot."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.flame.macintosh
Subject: Re: which OS is best?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 05:26:35 GMT
On Tue, 02 May 2000 07:08:47 -0500,
[EMAIL PROTECTED], in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>On Tue, 02 May 2000 03:58:13 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
>wrote:
>
>>>>>Get real. Stop the registry whining and just remove the old version
>>>>>of Acrobat and install the new one. Geez.. you'd think it was as
>>>>>difficult as installing a kernel in Linux the way you whine about it.
>>>>
>>>>Difficult? Are you typing the source in yourself?
>>>>Rpm -Uhv kernel*rpm works for me. Or grab the source and 'make install'.
>>>>Your distribution may vary, but it is nowhere near the conceptual
>>>>problem of being forced to associate a data type with only one
>>>>application and worse, to do it according to the file name.
>>>
>>>You're kidding, right? Installing a new Linux kernel is a nightmare -
>>>my 486/75 laptop is now next to useless until I figure out what went
>>>wrong.
>>>
>>>First, do a make mrproper to clean up any old stuff (and reclaim
>>>needed hard drive space).
>>>Then, do a make menuconfig and step through the options you want.
>>>
>>>Then, on the same line, seperated by ";"
>>>Then, do a make dep and ensure the dependencies are all there.
>>>Then, do a make bzImage to make a compressed boot image.
>>>Then, do a make modules to get the right modules.
>>>Then, do a make modules_install to install said modules.
>>>...and come back 8 hours or so later, when it all finishes.
>>
>>
>>This is the process to _compile_ a new Kernel,
>> not to install a kernel rpm.
>
>OK, -compile- then.
So, are you retracting your assertion that installing a new linux Kernel
is a nightmare?
>
>>>Something's obviously wrong with that, though, because I now can't get
>>>any of my modules to work. Since my PCMCIA controller is controlled
>>>with a module, that laptop's dead in the water unless someone
>>>(please!) can tell me what's wrong. It's done this time and time and
>>>time again, and it's become very frustrating. I've renamed the
>>>/var/modules dir to /var/mod2 and made a new, empty /var/modules
>>>directory, to no avail (but after that, it only gets 3 or 4 dirs in
>>>there when I do a make modules_install, although granted I've left out
>>>most options that I don't need - sound, MMX, extra IDE support, SCSI,
>>>etc., and my modules.dep is only 2k or so in size...) The modules
>>>page in the kernel's menuconfig has 3 entries in it, and all are
>>>selected; it _should_ load the modules just fine, no? I get all
>>>kinds of errors when the modules try to load up from depmod, devfs
>>>isn't found, and no entries for a PCMCIA controller are found in
>>>/proc/pcmcia, so eth0 doesn't come up.
>>
>>pcmcia is a seperate package in the 2.2 and earlier kernels, If you are
>>going to recompile your kernel, you need to recompile the pcmcia-cs package
>>also for the new kernel. Or you could simple install the new kernel and
>>pcmcia-cs rpms. If you want to do it the hard way, that's up to you. But
>>don't claim that installing a kernel is tough, whilst describing
>>the steps to compile one instead.
>
>It's the same kernel version, it's just I'm changing a few options.
>The PCMCIA stuff is there already.
What distro puts the modules in /var/modules?
Most stick them in /lib/modules/$kernel_version
>
>>>Lilo is being updated correctly; I am booting from new kernels (and
>>>the old kernel does the same thing now, immediately after I did a make
>>>modules_install, too). Sigh.
>>>
>>>All this just to make the kernel a bit smaller - their compressed
>>>kernel is 680k or so, mine hit 380k or so; with a 10M laptop that
>>>might make a difference, although just getting Linux on this thing was
>>>a bear. I also removed a bunch of tty terminals from runlevel 3, so
>>>dropping each of those should free up some RAM too...and dropped the
>>>atd and crond stuff. Any other suggestions to lighten the RAM load
>>>are welcome.
>>
>>Check out the linx router project (from memory, www.lrp.com a websearch would
>>turn up their site if that is wrong.)
>
>Why would I want to do that?
Because they have gone to great effort to trim the kernel down to bare
neccessaties.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the PC era over?
Date: 3 May 2000 05:28:19 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Andrew Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was most disappointed when I found out about the SunRay. No matter how
> they word it, it seems to be nothing more than a dumb terminal, plain
> and simple.
Thats kind of the idea. Its essentially an X-terminal.
> It does no local processing beyond drawing pixels, making it
> the equivalent of a Citrix client in hardware. it's biggest feature is a
> smart card reader so it can do 'hot desktops'; Metaframe could almost
> have that now. If it was a dirt-cheap appliance, maybe, but it's not:
> $500 US plus a dedicated server.
Thats actaully very cheap for X-terminals, which in the past (last time
I checked was last year) have gone for between 1000 and 3000 dollars-US.
> This is not where NCs should be going; the idea of a 'Network Computer'
> was to have local processing power, but remote data storage.
X-terminals are not the idea of a 'Network Computer'. They're the idea
of a remote-viewing station.
> I'd argue NCs are not just the way we'll ultimately be going, they are
> inevitable. There will always be servers of course, and there may still
> be PCs; but they will probably start to take on more of a role as a
> local server to all your other networked devices, rather than a
> workstation in itself.
Which is pretty much what an X-terminal does. The technology for this
has been around since the Xwindow system. Its simple, straightforward,
efficient (even moreso now than its ever been) and with recent talk of
using an embedded system (linux?) to run an ssh client locally to pipe
all your stuff, quite secure.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: My question has still not been answered.Dance..Dance...Dance...
Date: 3 May 2000 00:21:25 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>1. Internet connection sharing.
>
> Compared to the need to download some strange new package,
> even bare ipchains commands fare better.
No, Win98SE does it out of the box.
>>So how does one go about doing this easily under Linux?
>>
>>It's very easy to do under Windows. Not one file to edit.
>
> Yet you can't seem to describe these processes in nice easy
> steps. They're so simple, yet so hard for you to express.
>
> Don't you have enough of those (1000*(steps)) words to describe
> it all. <snicker>
It really is a yes or no question. Turning it on activates NAT,
a DHCP server on the NATed range (which it figures out), and
demand dialing, automatically triggered by client access. And
maybe some other things I haven't found yet. I was amazed
that on my dual-boot machine it worked just the same as my
hand-built setup under Linux down to the way I had set up
dhcp. Don't compare this to anything prior to SE - they
got the defaults right this time, although they should warn
you about running the dhcp server since it would destroy a
network that was already using one.
Les Mikesell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dvorak calls Microsoft on 'innovation'
Date: 3 May 2000 00:29:32 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Microsoft makes claims that it "must be free to innovate." Given that
>statement, one is left to think that, presumably, they have been free
>the last decade or so, right? They have, however, produced nothing of an
>original nature, i.e. innovative.
Oh, I thought those error messages that they added to Win3.x
when it detected DRDOS on the machine were pretty innovative.
Les Mikesell
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From: John Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.kde,tw.bbs.comp.linux
Subject: Re: UI Standards (was Re: KDE is better than Gnome)
Date: 3 May 2000 05:31:49 GMT
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (root) writes:
: ' The problem with Windows as a standard, unconfigurable system is not
: ' that it's a standard, but that it's not a good standard.
: Speaking of UI standards, how would you (or anyone else) improve on
: IBM's CUA guide? There is an expectation of things being in certain
: places, particularly by Windows users. Users expect a menu bar. They
: expect menu items to be laid out in a certain fashion. Tool bars just
: provide graphical short cuts and take up space, but they look nice and
: have become expected. Status bars are often useful also.
: What makes a UI standard a good one?
You might get more exitement with this cross-posted to a Mac or NeXT group
:-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,talk.politics
Subject: Re: Are we equal?
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 05:31:02 GMT
On 3 May 2000 05:22:05 GMT, abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> All of my inlaws are from the former Communist Bloc.
>
>Not all former communist bloc countries were equal...
They're equal enough from your point of view.
Most of the bubushkas weren't trying to make a mad dash through
checkpoint charlie, so therefore everything was hunky dory behind
all of the iron curtain... even Hungary. <snicker>
>
>> It's far better than "there are some of them left, they must all
>> just love being there" or "they're not all in the mountains with
>> AK-74's, so they must all support the current regime".
>
>I understand that. But I think its far better to talk directly to the
>people you have pegged and see what THEY think.
...and you don't appear to be them.
[deletia]
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: SeaDragon openly confesses he's an IDIOT (Was: Re: "Technical" vs.
"Non-technical"...
Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:54:12 -0700
Reply-To: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Perry Pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:29:14 GMT, sea_Dragon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>
> >
> >I have been compiling and installing new Linux kernels for 6.5 years and
> >know what I am doing.
> >...
> >since I run Linux I expect to have to reinstall several times per year,
>
> If you have been using Linux for 6.5 years and you can't figure out how to
> get your system so it doesn't need to be constantly reinstalled then you
> are obviously a TOTAL FUCKING IDIOT!!!
I see. So, if you complain that WindowsNT is unstable,
then I can just as easily conclude that since you cannot
get it to a point where it is reliable, that you are
a fucking idiot as well.
However, I really don't any WindowsNT scenario to see
that.
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.-----.
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| = :| "Artificial Intelligence -- The engineering of systems that
| | yield results such as, 'The answer is 6.7E23... I think.'"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To:
alt.conspiracy,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,talk.politics
Subject: Re: Are we equal?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 05:36:36 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when abraxas would say:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> All of my inlaws are from the former Communist Bloc.
>
>Not all former communist bloc countries were equal...
>
>> It's far better than "there are some of them left, they must all
>> just love being there" or "they're not all in the mountains with
>> AK-74's, so they must all support the current regime".
>
>I understand that. But I think its far better to talk directly to the
>people you have pegged and see what THEY think.
>
>In my experience, there are alot of cubans who are very unhappy with
>castro's regime. But there are also alot of cubans who are very happy
>with it. Its a complex issue.
It's easy enough to hold the position that it's all bad, and that any
evidence to the contrary represents a set of contrived lies.
That is, if you talked with a Cuban that gave a "positive report," then
either:
a) Castro is offering them bribes to make them say nice things, or
b) Castro has some threat to hang over their heads, thus forcing them
to speak nice things about his regime, or
c) Both.
There is, of course, no way to disprove this position.
The late Sir Karl Popper might suggest that the nonfalsifiability of
the claim indicates that this is an "unscientific," e.g. - "opposed to
rational knowledge" position.
--
Rules of the Evil Overlord #74. "My five-year-old child advisor will
also be asked to decipher any code I am thinking of using. If he
breaks the code in under 30 seconds, it will not be used."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Help ... ... P l e a s e ?
Date: 3 May 2000 00:39:05 -0500
In article <8eo59f$m63$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>There seem to be a lot of people who post here to defend Linux. Maybe
>one or two of you will be willing & able to give me a hand at
>installing it. Everyone ignored me in the comp.os.linux.setup group
>(or didn't know the answer), so I'll try this here.
>I first tried the Winsetup option with Caldera, where it boots into
>MSDOS, then runs the install routine. It freezes with the message that
>it can't mount root, or something like that.
[...]
>(3.) Oh yes, I also d/l'd Armed Linux over the weekend. This installed
>just fine, but the startup crashed some message like "Kernel Panic:
>Cannot boot into fs ...")
>I'm starting to think there's something funky about my system. Any
>ideas?
First, make sure you are using a very recent distribution. I'd
try Mandrake 7.0.2 or RedHat 6.2. If it still locks up, I'd
guess that the hardware autodetection attempt is tripping up
somewhere. Do you have a mix of ISA and PCI plug-n-play cards?
Try taking out anything you don't need during installation
(sound, internal modem, etc.). Or, maybe it just doesn't
understand your disk drive since you are loading the kernel
from dos. Do you have third party disk partitioning software
on the drive?
Les Mikesell
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