Linux-Advocacy Digest #348, Volume #29 Thu, 28 Sep 00 15:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: programming languages and design (Roberto Selbach Teixeira)
Re: IBM and Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux in government (Roberto Selbach Teixeira)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Is Linux some kind of a joke?
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Joe R.")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Why I hate Windows...
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively ("Joe R.")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Richard)
Re: Open lettor to CommyLinux Commy's, and all other commy's to. (Andres Soolo)
Re: Is Linux some kind of a joke? (Andres Soolo)
Is there an opensource equivalent of Poser? (Glenn Reed)
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:11:09 -0300
El jue, 28 sep 2000, Richard escribió:
>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
>> El mié, 27 sep 2000, Richard escribió:
>> Now, let's assume that "corporations are psychopaths" is actually a correct
>> analogy (it can't be much else, since psychopathy is defined in function of the
>> human behaviour, not the inhuman one.
>
>Nonsense. Psychopathy is an abstract concept defined in terms of *behaviour*,
>not human behaviour. Of the 20 items in the Psychopathy Checklist-Revised,
>only one is not applicable to corporations.
Nonsense again. Psychopathy is a technical term from the branch of science
known as psichiatry, which is a science that studies human behaviour.
Now, if you want to found a behavioural science that deals with behaviour of
non-human entities, you are welcome to do so. Just try not to overtake other
science's terminology.
>> What is your proposed analogy for treatment? Putting corporations on drugs?
>
>There isn't any treatment for psychopathy. There is only incarceration and
>execution. Why does there have to be an analogue for everything that *happens*
>to be related to psychopathy in the first place.
Because you say the analogy works? In what way does it work? What does the
analogy let you predict,?
>> I am not an academic, what gave you that idea?
>
>Donovan said you were a mathematician.
No he did not. He said I studied some maths. Stop making things up please.
>> >Here's a clue: psychopath does not imply human, it only implies 'being'
>> >and corporations fulfill all of the criteria of beings.
>>
>> By that reasoning, hurricanes are probably psychopaths, while gravity fails
>> just short. You need to ask your psychyatrist about it.
>
>Hurricanes are not beings. Just how stupid are you?
Why is a corporation a being and a hurricane not?
Are you suggesting that perhaps corporations have some sort of self
determination, or self-concience?
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: Roberto Selbach Teixeira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: programming languages and design
Date: 28 Sep 2000 15:08:13 -0300
>>>>> "Roberto" == Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Roberto> And that's the whole point. What you wrote is C code. It
Roberto> is also pretty bad C++ :-)
And *that* is what I was saying a few posts ago... most C++
programmers are actually programming in "C with new features". C++ is
*not* C and you _have_ to implement things differently in C++ than in
C. You _can_ do things C-style in C++, but it is not necessary and is
usually the /bad way/ to do it.
Thus, my opinion remains: C++ is a *great* language, but you *have* to
know what you are doing (I added someone's words here...)
regards,
-- Roberto.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IBM and Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:07:47 GMT
I didn't realize they were selling Linux pre-loads on Thinkpads.
I guess that makes sense :)
claire
On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:18:55 -0300, Roberto Alsina
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>El jue, 28 sep 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
>>I had to send my ThinkPad back to IBM for repair the other day. They
>>include a paper you have to fill out listing the options you are
>>sending and a description of the problem etc.
>>
>>It was interesting to see Linux listed as a choice in the operating
>>systems section, meaning the person sending back the unit has Linux
>>installed. They wanted access to /var/logs and the root password as
>>well for problem determination I suppose.
>>
>>To me, this is a clear sign that Linux is fast becoming a major player
>>in the operating systems wars. This is a good thing for all of us.
>
>Since they are selling Thinkpads with Linux preinstalled, they better let you
>tell them not to wipe it ;-)
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From: Roberto Selbach Teixeira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux in government
Date: 28 Sep 2000 15:12:06 -0300
>>>>> "nerdjohn" == nerdjohn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
nerdjohn> Government Technology magazine released a supplement
nerdjohn> pretty much devoted to Linux. Since the government
nerdjohn> sector is lagging pretty far behind in the adoption of
nerdjohn> OSS, I think this is a Good Thing(TM). There's an
nerdjohn> interesting interview with Eric S. Raymond and a story
nerdjohn> on Beowulf Clusters, among other things. Nothing too
nerdjohn> technical, but nice to see at any rate.
Here in Brazil, the government of the state of Rio Grande do Sul
started a campaign and managed to pass a law enforcing the use of free
software wherever possible in state institutions. Also, they are
campaigning to encourage private companies to use free software and,
in the case of software companies, to _develop_ free software through
tax reductions, etc...
Procergs, the state technology department, is developing free software
under the GPL (they send the software to the Free Software Foundation
to be analysed for possible GPL infractions).
I hope more governments follow ;)
regards,
-- Roberto.
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:15:41 -0300
El jue, 28 sep 2000, Richard escribió:
>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
>> El mié, 27 sep 2000, Richard escribió:
>
>> But you claim to be designing a OS. Obviously, if you are sane, you will not
>> design something "stupid" and you will design something "good", so hopefully
>> you will design a small non-mk OS, right?
>
>My mistake, I said 'bloated' instead of 'incredibly overcomplicated'.
Well, it would indeed be a mistake, since they are completely different things.
>I don't much care about the actual code size. I'm not running a server,
>I'm running a powerful machine dedicated to *me* and I want that
>machine to do what *I* want, no matter how costly.
Well, you were complaining about lack of money just a few posts ago.
>> Blah, blah, blah. Maybe you can be a tiny bit specific.
>
>And maybe I'd care to teach Operating System Design?
>Naaaaah.
>
>If you ask a specific question then I'll give a specific answer.
I can't ask more specifically than "what specifically do you believe to be so
bad?" since I don't know what you are complaining about, really.
>> >Linux is also "getting" logging and looking at the design
>> >documents of Dtfs, anyone can tell that it's a monster that
>> >falls far short of the potential (on top of being ugly,
>> >inextensible and unmaintainable).
>>
>> Dtfs? What's Dtfs? The journaling fs I know are Reiser, ext3 and XFS.
>
><rolleyes> logging != journaling.
>
>Run a search on Dtfs, you'll find it.
It describes itself as "a logging or journalling filesystem". I won't claim to
know all that much about filesystems, but if logging and journaling are not the
same thing, someone forgot to tell the DtFS authors (and the LFS authors, and
the guy that does the Linux Filesystem HOWTO).
>> >The Unixer's treatment of everything as a "feature" to be
>> >slapped on top of an already large mountain of "features" is
>> >ludicrous and contradicts reality. That's not how design works
>> >but you'll have a hard time explaining this to people who
>> >think that Dr. Frankenstein was involved in "design" work.
>>
>> At least the collage works.
>
>Only in your opinion. Since it doesn't do half of the things I
>want to be able to do, it doesn't exactly "work" for me, does it?
Only in your opinion.
>> You said L4 is an example of efficiency. Yet, of course since L4 is a
>> microkernel, you also said it is inherently (and massively) stupid, and sucks.
>
>And I also said that I didn't give a damn about efficiency and that there
>were dozens of design principles more important than it. And you think
>there's some kind of contradiction in that?
No, I just think saying efficiency is totally unimportant is a clear sign that
what you are designing will never be implemented in a remotely practical form,
at least not by you.
>If one cared to comprehend what I wrote, one would realize that I was
>giving examples of OSes that are better at "what Unix likes to do" and
>that *in the same article* I implied that what Unix likes to do is not
>very worthwhile!
Unix is not a lifeform. Unix has no will. Unix wants nothing. You seem to have
a very strong antropomophizing tendency.
>> I think you have a serious case of gataflorismo. Look it up.
>
>I won't repeat what some friends of mine have said about
>Argentinians.
Why would you? I won't repeat what I read people say about you.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Is Linux some kind of a joke?
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:14:05 -0000
On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 05:50:19 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Is Linux some kind of a joke or something?
> I mean I instaled Redhat and it looks like shit. No games, no support
Really, what c00l games come with WinDOS? Solitaire?
UT & Quake III play on my machine just fine as do the
demos for SimCity 3000 and Alpha Centauri.
>for my video card. No support for my soundcard or any of my USB
>devices...
I've been using USB devices under Redhat for months.
Although, any version of Windows that isn't a pox on the
end user hasn't been supporting USB for very long either.
>
>This has to be a joke?
>
>Why should I return to the 1980's just to run Linux?
This is the really funny part considering that for many of us
the 80's did not require being subjected to poor commandline
interfaces, even when we ran Unix.
However, this wasn't true for WindDOS.
>
>Linux is a piece of shit....
If you really want to make comparisons to the Lemming Experience,
a far more useful comparison would be to the mid-90's. <snicker>
>
>
>The Whore...
>
>
--
Seeing is deceiving. It's eating that's believing.
-- James Thurber
He knew the tavernes well in every toun.
-- Geoffrey Chaucer
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From: "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:15:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> It was the Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:55:01 -0400...
> ...and Colin R. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > In what sense are rights given to one by the government? In the
> > > > sense
> > > > that government can refrain from siezing it?
> > >
> > > Next time pay attention. The constitution is not the government.
> >
> > OK, in what sense are rights granted by the Constitution?
>
> I hope you accept the fact that contracts can grant or restrict
> certain rights?
>
> If you are not alone on the planet, without a society surrounding you,
> you are born rightless. The only one who can grant you any rights in a
> society is society itself, i.e. the entirety of its active citizens.
> This is usually done by a social contract, the manifestation of which
> is the constitution. The state is the actual implementation of the
> constitution. Unlike most other technical designs, a constitution is
> normally designed not only to control itself, but also to extend
> itself and change itself, because the whole system is supposed to
> always fit the actual society it is strapped to. (A social contract /
> constitution / state is nothing but a crutch -- if human beings were
> different, we would happily live next to each other in a perfect
> anarchy without any need for a higher regulative.)
>
> OK, so the constitution exists, and its regulations allow certain
> things and forbid others. There is no higher authority.
Actually, I think he's referring to the fact that the Constitution
doesn't _grant_ any rights. It merely says that "Congress will make no
laws restricting right xxxx".
The presumption was that you had the right to do certain things and the
government couldn't/shouldn't change that.
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:24:18 -0300
El jue, 28 sep 2000, Roberto Alsina escribió:
>It describes itself as "a logging or journalling filesystem". I won't claim to
>know all that much about filesystems, but if logging and journaling are not the
>same thing, someone forgot to tell the DtFS authors (and the LFS authors, and
>the guy that does the Linux Filesystem HOWTO).
I will correct myself: they are different. Journaling fss seem to just log the
inode changes, while logging ones log both data and inodes.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:26:52 -0300
El jue, 28 sep 2000, Richard escribió:
>Roberto Alsina wrote:
>
>> El jue, 28 sep 2000, Chris Sherlock escribió:
>> >Richard wrote:
>> >> Sancho Villa (?) was Don Quixote's sidekick. :-)
>> >
>> >Oh. I wasn't aware of that!
>>
>> You do well not to. He is mixing Sancho Panza and Pancho Villa.
>
>It was off the top of my head. Thank you for the correction.
No problem.
However, I must say that the reference doesn't make sense, either. After all,
Sancho didn't charge at the windmills. It's better to only make references to
books you have read ;-)
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Why I hate Windows...
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:23:59 -0000
On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:59:04 -0500, James Stutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 21:20:52 -0500, James Stutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> >
>> >"Osugi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:8qp2gf$6qu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> In article <8qj4rv$ric$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >> "James Stutts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Actually, the better approach is to not use a home operating system
>> >> (Win98)
>> >> > in
>> >> > a corporate environment. NT was designed for this. While not
>> >> perfect, it
>> >> > is
>> >> > far more stable than Win98.
>> >> >
>> >> > JCS
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Why should a "home" operating system be inherently unstable? Less
>> >
>> >In this case, "home" is equivalent to "cheap". Commercial operating
>systems
>> >are expensive.
>>
>> No they aren't.
>
>Not compared to applications, but they aren't free. Ok, a few are free.
Very few applications are required to be in use by essentially
EVERYONE. This makes any OS vendor in a better position even in
very marginal markets. Although, there are relatively ubiquitous
applications that should be able to exploit a considerable
economy of scale.
Most applications under the immediate discussion don't fall into
the same sorts of categories as Maya, Cubase or AutoCADD.
>
>>
>> The engineering cost of software can be amortized over
>> HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of users. That argument simply has
>
>There aren't always HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of users.
For DOS based operating systems there certainly are.
That's rather the prime selling point of something like DOS.
Besides, merely millions or merely 10's of millions should
also pretty effective at sufficiently spreading around
engineering costs such that the cost per head is exceedingly
small.
>
>> no merit given the economies of scale involved with any
>> software.
>>
>> >
>> >> powerful and less feature rich would be understandable (home users
>> >
>> >In some ways, Win98 is more feature rich. Provided your primary interest
>> >involves games.
>>
>> Than what?
>>
>> Only in a few boundary situations would Win98 be more 'feature rich'
>> even from a gaming standpoint than all of the other alternatives.
>> Quite simply, game companies need to exploit the same economies of
>> scale as any other software vendor. So being "too bleeding edge" isn't
>> really economically feasable for many developers.
>>
>> So, many games aren't.
>
>Well, until Win2k came out, the only way to play a game written using the
>DirectX API
>greater than 3.0 would have required 95 or 98.
That still doesn't tell anyone why they would care about DirectX
past version 3.0. Besides, that example is completely artificial.
Microsoft was in control of both sides of the equation.
>
>>
>> >
>> >> don't usually need 2 gig of ram or support for 16 processors), but
>> >> stability should be a given. Unfortunately MS seems to have convinced
>> >> many people that stability is a feature that you have to pay extra for.
>> >>
>> >> BTW, isn't the typical home computer expected to work harder than a
>> >> business workstation? Games, scanners, digital cameras, printers, all
>> >
>> >A "business workstation" isn't primarily used for desktop apps. That
>would
>> >be
>> >a "PC". My Win2k "business workstation" has been used for everything
>from
>> >Monte Carlo simulations to CAD. Game graphics, while pretty, don't
>involve
>> >geometries
>> >with all that much complexity. The components available for the
>workstation
>> >line of a
>> >company like Dell are far more capable and expensive then their home
>line.
>> >Unless you
>> >really want to try to use an Oxygen GVX1 card for a game. Kind of a
>waste
>> >for a $1k
>> >graphics card...
>>
>> Actually, you've not seen Quake III until you've seen it on an Oxygen.
>
>Well, my computer works for a living.
So does the computer that ran Quake III on an Oxygen.
Work does not negate the possibility of recreation.
Besides, have you ever paid any attention to the cost of
some gamer systems and gamer systems components?
Oxygens are just barely past the upper bound in terms of
price respective to gamer vidcards.
>
>
>>
>> [deletia]
>>
>> That and the gap between 'pro' card and 'gamer' card has been
>> narrowing for quite some time now.
>
>They still support different feature sets and capabilities. A VX1 costs
>the same as a newer GeForce, but one does windowed OpenGL much better and
>at higher color depths.
--
Maturity is only a short break in adolescence.
-- Jules Feiffer
Courage is grace under pressure.
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From: "Joe R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:24:32 GMT
In article <39d3863a$0$34976$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:04:06 +1000, Chris Sherlock
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to bless us with this bit of wisdom:
>
> >To regional areas which have traditionally had very very poor access
> >(mainly through old phone exchanges). I think that they are offering
> >some country users the use of satellite links.
> >
> >ISDN links cost too much. How much do people in the US pay for an ISDN
> >link, BTW?
> >
> >Chris
>
> My ISP charges $30/month for 64k and $40/month for 128k. A little
> pricy for what you get IMO. We're supposed to get DSL out here next
> year. Maybe it'll be a bit more reasonable.
Isn't there a per-minute charge as well? There is here.
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From: Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:26:32 GMT
Chris Sherlock wrote:
> OK, I don't want to take this personally, but you are making it a little
> hard for me not to. Take a look at where you are posting! You are
> stating that "Linuxers don't know what the fuck they're talking about
> and are just being arseholes." I personally think that I have been very
> reasonable and encouraging of you and your plans, but if you're going to
> spout crap like this then you're on your own buddy!
If I say that Americans are fat, stupid, ignorant assholes then that does
not mean that I think this of *ALL* Americans. I know quite a few who
don't fit the profile. I even know of quite a few that I admire. But if you
compare them to people in other nations then Americans are all that.
(Yes, I know I'm being offensive but it's the simplest way to make my
point.)
I know quite a few Linuxers who are nice people. Even if you separate
using Linux (which I do) from being devoted to it, I still know Linuxers
who are nice people. But as a /group/ it's a whole 'nother ball game.
If you can't make generalizations about human behaviour then it
becomes impossible to even *think* about human behaviour, let
alone understand it.
> Plenty of Linux developers care about the user. Look at Gnome and look
> at KDE. Look at Enlightenment. Look at the Linux Documentation Project.
> Look at the kernel developers team (you may not agree with me about
> this, but they have made a very stable and reliable kernel!)
Working on the kernel is a technical and political achievement. You
might as well say that politicians who defend universal health care
do so because they care about human beings. This is only going to be
the case if defending universal health care is politically dangerous.
> If is *not* reasonable for you to come into c.o.l.a. and tell us that we
> are all clueless because we are not using your non-existent O/S! I say
> good luck with your O/S, if it works out then you may be very
> successful! But I think that if you want to convince other people to
> assist you then you are not going about it the right way.
>
> I'm sorry if this sounds harsh, my intent is not to flame you, but when
> you make statements like the one above I really feel that I must say
> something.
I probably could've been clearer with what I meant. But it's hard for
me to make all of these adjustments for people who don't understand
what "class" means.
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From: Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:26:51 GMT
Roberto Alsina wrote:
> El jue, 28 sep 2000, Chris Sherlock escribió:
> >Richard wrote:
> >> Sancho Villa (?) was Don Quixote's sidekick. :-)
> >
> >Oh. I wasn't aware of that!
>
> You do well not to. He is mixing Sancho Panza and Pancho Villa.
It was off the top of my head. Thank you for the correction.
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From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.society.anarchy,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Open lettor to CommyLinux Commy's, and all other commy's to.
Date: 28 Sep 2000 18:27:53 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>No primate remnants belonging to others than homo sapiens are found in
>>America. I mean the whole continent here.
> Dead wrong. Go to any zoo on the continent and you'll find monkeys in America.
Oops. Didn't think of that :-)
> The one with USENET access is Tim Palmer (and no, he isn't using Windows,
> he is actually posting from a VAX, but the zookeeper pasted a Windows logo
> to the terminal to make him THINK it was Windows).
Good one.
>>Apparently, humans colonized America long after the `monkey's were
>>gone. IIRC, it happened some 15000 or so years ago, when the first
>>people made it to Northwesteern America from Northeastern Asia.
> I heard it was 30,000 years ago.
Was the NE-Asia inhabitated by then?
I'm not sure, so you might pretty well be right.
>>When? Can you give an exact date? Can you say, for example,
>>"By December 2002, all the companies that don't pay Microsoft tax,
>>go bankrupt."?
> Of course he can say it, just like he can say "L1NUX M4YKS YU EDD1T KUNF1G
> F1AL ALL D4M DAI TEE-H33!"
> That doesn't mean he's right, though.
No, but that would make he perfectly refutable.
I was just optimistic that day. Hoping to apply the scientific method
on Timmay, hehe :-)
And I also, personally, would doubt he could spell a sentence that long
without errors. Which would mean that he can not say, for example
(quote): "By December 2002, all the companies that don't pay Microsoft
tax, go bankrupt." (unquote).
Which is irrelevant, of course.
> Yes. Microsoft is THE solution for crashes. If you wanna see crashes,
> in the morning, at 3am, at lunchtime, just before you save your
> work, then buy from Microsoft. If a screen saver that merely FAKES
> crashes is good enough for you, then get Linux.
LOL.
--
Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hear about...
the guru who refused Novacain while having a tooth pulled because
he wanted to transcend dental medication?
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From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is Linux some kind of a joke?
Date: 28 Sep 2000 18:36:56 GMT
sandrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]$ grep troll /var/log/messages
> Sep 28 08:51:22 localhost trolld[668]:high troll-o-meter reading detected
> Sep 28 08:51:22 localhost trolld[668]:troll factor: 95.5 %
[snip]
GPLed, I assume?
Where can I get the source?
:-)
--
Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Naeser's Law:
You can make it foolproof, but you can't make it
damnfoolproof.
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From: Glenn Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Is there an opensource equivalent of Poser?
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:02:45 GMT
Hi,
Does anyone know of an opensource project for Poser? That is
http://www.curiouslabs.com
And also it will only run on Windows and the Mac. So it would be nice
if there was a linux equivalent out there even if it is commercial.
Regards
Glenn.
====================================================
Glenn (Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
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