Linux-Advocacy Digest #553, Volume #26 Wed, 17 May 00 05:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Challenged Todd Returns (Was: Here is the solution ("Edwin")
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (s. keeling)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux ("Richard Gill")
Re: Yet another backdoor in MS software (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Familiarity of Windows for Linux! (Pete Goodwin)
Re: progamming models, unix vs Windows (Pete Goodwin)
Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk (Gunter Bengel)
Re: Desktop use, office apps (Ray)
Re: Dvorak calls Microsoft on 'innovation'
RE: Linux lacks ("Raul Valero")
Re: Desktop use, office apps (Ray)
Re: Desktop use, office apps (Sean Clarke)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Nico Coetzee)
Re: Things Linux can't do! (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Paul_'Z'_Ewande=A9?=)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Re: Haakmat digest, volume 2451642 (Pascal Haakmat)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software ("Bob Sundahl")
RE: Ten Reasons Why Syphon Sucks ("Raul Valero")
Hell ("Raul Valero")
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From: "Edwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Challenged Todd Returns (Was: Here is the solution
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 01:37:54 -0500
Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8frjpm$vsq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
[snip]
>
> You can pose questions to me, if you want to test me :)
What's the capital of South Dakota?
[snip]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (s. keeling)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 07:36:32 GMT
On Sun, 14 May 2000 10:42:56 -0700, Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Sun, 14 May 2000, Salvador Peralta wrote:
>
> > Your government practises censorship towards alternative groups.
> > Scientology isn't the only example. The types of in-group / out-group
> > models practised in germany and elsewhere are simply not healthy. The
> > antisemitic movement in germany and europe generally over the first half
> > of this century is just one example of where that type of politics can
> > lead. There are certain rights of the individual that must be protected
> > from the prejudices of others.
>
> do you actually know what you are talking about? Ie, have you ever lived
> or even visited Germany or anything outside the US? It's simply absurd to
> claim there is censorship in Germany. Don't know where you got that idea
Bull. The Nazi party is outlawed in Germany, for example.
> from but how about backing it up with information who or what German gov't
> office is in charge of censorship. The last freedom of press statistic I
> saw put Germany higher than the US which is not too surprising if you are
A Nazi party (many, likely) operates freely in the US.
> able to compare the two countries' newspapers. And when you talk about the
> first half of this century it kind of puzzles me why some Americans tend
> to forget their concentration camps for the Japanese (come to CA if you
> want to see) not to mention the rather special treatment reserved for
> African Americans.
Cultural myopia, ran rampant back then.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen) TopQuark Software & Serv. Enquire within.
[sed 's/NO@SPAM./@/g'] Contract programmer, server bum.
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
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From: "Richard Gill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:12:05 +0200
U can think about a New WindowManager, with a good interface, and toolkit
independant, but with possibly rely to Gnome component (I mean bonobo for
example). I'm already beginning on that project (alone for the moment, and
only on paper) so we could help together ;-)
bye.
Mongoose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message :
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Hello,
> I am attempting to start a college project and have two of my
> ideas already being worked on. So I wanted to know what other people
> had for suggestions for linux projects? I was thinking of something
> along the lines of a project that would help promote the use of linux.
> What is something that most people could use? Something that could
> make a good 1 year R&D project?
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Subject: Re: Yet another backdoor in MS software
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 17 May 2000 08:11:11 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mig Mig) wrote in <8fsf91$map$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> If you think UNIX is safe from viruses and hacks, think again. Or has
>> the sendmail virus been forgotten already?
>
>First it was not a virus but a worm just like the ILOVEYOU thing!
>Second.. cant you find anything thats not from 1988???
>Third.. What dows that worm have to do with Linux?
It demonstrates my point. A bug in sendmail allowed that virus/worm to get
in. Any bugs in Linux might allow the same sort of thing, or did you think
Linux is completely immune.
Pete
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Subject: Re: Familiarity of Windows for Linux!
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 17 May 2000 08:15:23 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Aakre) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>We need to bring the familiarity of windows to linux... lets have a
>daemon that automatically crashes linux every 10-15 minutes!! Then it
>will be more familiar for all you ex-windowers, so you won't get scared
>when you linux box stays online for weeks, even months! I'm sure this
>will go along well with all you ex-microsoft dron^H^H^H^H^H users.
Every 10 to 15 minutes? Got a hardware problem have we? You might want to
increase the interval to a day or two... oh yeah, I switch my machine off
every night.
My Windows 98 SE system rarely crashes these days. Except when I'm fooling
around with 'hooks' or device drivers. Then I switch to Windows 2000.
--
============
Pete Goodwin
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Subject: Re: progamming models, unix vs Windows
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: 17 May 2000 08:21:36 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote in <8fseiq$2u1k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Fred went to work somewhere else, and it's Mary's box now. You
>had 20 programs configured to find data there. How long will
>it take to fix them all. When someone else takes over your
>box and the server also changes again, how will they know that
>all the references have been updated in all the right places?
>
>With a mount point it is one change, and everything referencing
>it stays the same.
Ah, I take your point. UNIX is unique in respect of its filing system.
The only way to come close under DOS/NT is to use environment variables,
and they only work in BAT/CMD files.
The only (minor) problem I found with UNIX's filing system is that it felt
to easy to become 'lost' in the tree structure.
>They are optional. Still the optimal way, but for people who don't
>care about tuning, modules work fine and don't require a reboot.
>
>Does NT still require a reboot after an IP address, netmask, or
>name change? Modern or just silly????
Silly. The iconsistancies in Windows always amazes me. I work with Sound
drivers, and they allow swapping of the driver without reboot. Well,
almost!
--
============
Pete Goodwin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gunter Bengel)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: German Govt says Microsoft a security risk
Date: 17 May 2000 09:50:13 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (s. keeling) writes:
> Bull. The Nazi party is outlawed in Germany, for example.
>
>
> A Nazi party (many, likely) operates freely in the US.
>
Horseshit. The Mafia is outlawed in the US of A. So there is
censoreship?
Gunter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray)
Subject: Re: Desktop use, office apps
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:02:10 GMT
On Tue, 16 May 2000 15:53:32 GMT, R. Christopher Harshman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>The problem: We cannot find office productivity software that fits our
>needs, and I was wondering why I had not heard more about the glaring
>problems that exist with the current offerings. In a nutshell:
>
>StarOffice
>Far too slow to load. We're using just the applications (launching
>`soffice staroffice.private:starwriter` for instance, to use just the
>word-processor without the desktop). Even on the fastest of our
>workstations, a Celeron 466 with a brand-new UDMA/66 hard drive, it
>takes almost a minute to load. Once loaded, it's more or less
>responsive enough to use, but the users we've had test the configuration
>have universally complained about the wait.
If SO 5.1 is really taking that long to load then something's really wrong.
It takes between 10 & 15 seconds here on an AMD k6-2-300 with 64MB ram.
This machine serves up SO and a few other apps. to the other machines here
(running remotely via X). Additional instances of SO only take around
5 seconds or so to load. Heck, even my laptop (a P120 with 48MB) loads SO
in under 30s.
--
Ray
>
>WordPerfect Office Suite 2000
>WAY too slow in operation. I read somewhere about their using WINE as
>an abstraction layer, and Windows code running on top of this. This
>offers an explanation, but not a solution. I thought Corel was serious
>about Linux; why then this half-hearted attempt that is, for the most
>part, unusable? None of our testers would put up with the sluggish
>response they got from WP:2000.
>
>Applix 5.0
>Rough around the edges, enough so that users complained. Also, a big
>problem is that it won't import or export MS Office file formats
>properly. We're in a very hetrogenous environment, and like it or not,
>MS Office file format compatibility is a must, at least enough that
>formatting carries across. But at least it's fast enough to be usable.
>
>Word Perfect 8
>This one Corel got right; it's a little slower than the equivalent
>hardware and software on Windows (Word Perfect 8 running on NT 4
>Workstation SP5 with Intel's bus mastering IDE drivers) but still very
>usable. However, file format compatibility is an issue.
>
>For Linux to succeed on the desktop, it needs an office package that is
>polished, professional, compatible, usable, and ideally fast.
>
>I'm continually frustrated by Linux on the desktop, in all honesty. Not
>just the fit-and-finish user interface elements that are being worked on
>by the various projects (GNOME, Eazel, etc). But the speed of the OS.
>Launching Netscape Communicator takes much longer under Linux than it
>does under Windows, on the same box. Ditto for office applications.
>For all the vaunted speed of Linux (running in command line mode), when
>you saddle it with X and ask it to do the things Windows users do daily,
>it doesn't seem to be able to keep up. This is my experience from my
>personal workstation (PIII-450, 160MB RAM, UDMA/66 drives) down to the
>lowest configuration still in use in our labs (Compaq Prolinea 466,
>486DX2/66, 32MB RAM, 420MB IDE drives - they run Windows 95a nimbly, but
>Linux with X is painfully slow).
>
>Flames are inevitable, but I'm hoping for some constructive feedback.
>Suggestions on configuration issues that I might have overlooked,
>assurances that this is a known problem that is not being ignored,
>anything that might suggest that Linux is or will soon be a viable
>desktop OS, given the shortcomings discussed herein.
>
>Thank you for your time.
>
>Chris Harshman
>
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dvorak calls Microsoft on 'innovation'
Date: 17 May 2000 04:07:18 -0400
Gary Connors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed this unto the Network:
>in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ray at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>wrote on 5/14/00 9:04 PM:
>>> Solaris, VMS, IRIX, Ultrix...Just to name a few.
>> So the only difference between the average mainframe and the average PC is
>> the OS that they run? Are you sure about that?
>Well, in terms of stability, generally speaking, yes. A fault tolerant OS
>doesn't crash. End of story. It may end up being slow as mollasis, but it
>won crash.
[snip]
>> Lets see. You are comparing Linux's stability with VMS, "completeness" with
>> Win/Mac, and security with OpenBSD.
>Taken in context, that is in several markets, all of which are completely
>viable comparisions.
No, your compound comparison is not "viable". That's like saying
that MacOS is useless because it isn't as stable as VMS, that OpenBSD
is "incomplete" because it doesn't come with a Mac-like
interface "out of the box", and that OS/400 (an OS built for _real_
mainframes) is too unportable to be useful because it doesn't run
on as many different hardware platforms as Linux (plus, it's incomplete
because it doesn't have a sleek UI).
--
Microsoft Windows. Flaky and built to stay that way.
Microsoft Windows. Garbage at your fingertips.
Microsoft Windows. The joke that kills.
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From: "Raul Valero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Linux lacks
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:06:44 GMT
> "This design choice has alarmed security experts, not least because so
many
> Microsoft products recently have had so many problems. The company spent
the
> last week acknowledging embarrassing security holes in its Hotmail
service,
> Internet Explorer browser, and Outlook mail client."
> "This sounds like par for the course," said William Knowles, a consultant
for
> c4i Secure Solutions. "You're talking about an operating system that
leaves all
> the security holes wide open and makes the customer close them."
Just an opinion. I think Windows is not a secure product at all, but
there are
found plenty of exploits at a lot of Unix (Linux included) world every
month. Take
a look at the distributions security advices homepages. I admit anyway that
Microsoft
sells the least secure systems all around ... remembering a Solaris
anonymous telnet
by default ... or (not too old) Redhat shipping with a lot of ports wide
open (telnet,
ftp, sendmail) ... security is an administrator issue always.
> "Microsoft operating systems, especially NT, has more reported security
bugs
> over the last two years than any other operating system."
This note is influenced by the fact that is the system where people are
trying to
find bugs. Perhaps it is the most insecure OS, but sure it is the most
tested one,
with everyone trying to find holes, bugs and faults. This is a fact. Bug
balance
between NT and other OS's will be smaller if all of them where equally
tested.
>
> Bobby Bryant
> Austin, Texas
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray)
Subject: Re: Desktop use, office apps
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:17:25 GMT
On Tue, 16 May 2000 21:42:10 GMT, R. Christopher Harshman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> the same shared library X widget set for the window manager,
>> browser, or just spend the money we save on software on
>> more RAM and faster drives (which pays off anyway because these
>> speed up other things as well). What kind of throughput are you
>
>Spending more money also defeats one of the primary reasons we're using
>Linux - cost. If I can wring suitable performance out of these
>workstations, we'll deploy Linux across more than a hundred computers;
>upgrading them all with RAM and faster drives will be excessive. (Isn't
>this one of the key complaints against Windows 2000, and Microsoft
>bloatware in general?)
Have you considered just installing SO on just a few of the machines (ie the
ones with the most memory) and running it remotely on the rest?
--
Ray
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sean Clarke)
Subject: Re: Desktop use, office apps
Date: 17 May 2000 08:28:21 GMT
JEDIDIAH ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: On 16 May 2000 17:43:43 -0500, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >In article <8fsfbf$58s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: >R. Christopher Harshman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: >
: Anyone ever try StarOffice over the wire on a LAN?
Yep, I've got an Alpha workstation so we have a Linux box here
(somewhere dont know where it sits) and run it from there, it runs fine
maybe a little bit slower than normal but most of the time it's more
than good enough.
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Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:25:53 +0200
From: Nico Coetzee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Mongoose wrote:
> Hello,
> I am attempting to start a college project and have two of my
> ideas already being worked on. So I wanted to know what other people
> had for suggestions for linux projects? I was thinking of something
> along the lines of a project that would help promote the use of linux.
> What is something that most people could use? Something that could
> make a good 1 year R&D project?
DEVELOP EDUCATIONAL SOFTWARE FOR PRIMARY AND SECONDARY LEVEL SCHOOL
If we can get Linux used in schools, it will have a good effect on
general use in about 5 to 10 years from now.
Think About IT!
Wish List:
* Multimedia CD-Roms on School Subjects
* Multimedia Encyclopedia CD-Roms
Cheers,
Nico
--
==============
The following signature was created automatically under Linux:
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Household hint:
If you are out of cream for your coffee, mayonnaise makes a
dandy substitute.
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Paul_'Z'_Ewande=A9?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 10:35:27 +0200
"Perry Pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message news:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<SNIP> Load definition </SNIP>
> >with documented example,
>
> Huh? I'm not going to document anything. You are the one who wants to
> prove something.
Back to my statement. I said certain corporation think that WinNT/2K can
handle the load of their big, high availability sites by rolling it out for
their business.
You complain that they use farms, have ties with Microsoft and whatnot to
dismiss my evidence. So I would like to see a documented high load example
to see if I can find a matching one.
Is it clearer that way. ?
> >and if I can
> >I'll try to find something that matches your definition.
>
> If you have any cases of single W2K machines (not farms) running under
> the circumstances above I would like to hear them. A W2K machine may
> be stable under one type of heavy load but not others.
Agreed.
> >What do you think ?
>
> Or you can call a truce.
Didn't I suggested previously to just call it quits ? :)
Anyway, it's been a pleasure arguing with you, no silly name calling, no
condescending attitude...
> Perry
>
Paul 'Z' Ewande
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 17 May 2000 08:43:28 GMT
>Think About IT!
>
>Wish List:
>
>* Multimedia CD-Roms on School Subjects
>* Multimedia Encyclopedia CD-Roms
If those were written in TCL/Tk or Java or something else somewhat
platform-independent, that could work too.
What might be even more neat would be an educational programme on a
self-booting Linux CD-- so the discs could be passed out without entrusting
malicious schoolchildren with the regular O/S interface... much like the old
Apple II labs. That combines development with packaging though.
How about an attempt at a wrapper library that converts calls from one toolkit
to another? Imagine if Motif/Lesstif or Qt could be written off entirely,
letting apps compile with GTK or Xaw. Something like that could be valuable for
pacifying those who complain about different toolkits.
Or how about a game? There can *never* be enough Final Fantasy-alikes.
--
Marada Coeurfuege Shra'drakaii
Colony name not needed in address.
DC2.Dw Gm L280c W+ T90k Sks,wl Cma-,wbk Bsu#/fl A+++ Fr++ Nu M/ O H++ $+ Fo++
R++ Ac+ J-- S-- U? I++ V+ Q++[thoughtspeech] Tc++
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pascal Haakmat)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Haakmat digest, volume 2451642
Date: 17 May 2000 08:47:57 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Today's Haakmat digest:
>
>> And it's great to be digested by you.
>
>That doesn't answer my question about your use of "again".
I'm sorry, what was your question again?
>> But you forgot to digest me in a reply of yours earlier on.
>
>On what basis do you make that claim?
Oh christ Dave, why don't you just admit that you forgot to digest me and we
can forget about it. It's not like you forgot our wedding anniversary or
something. It's a little thing.
>> I didn't like that at all.
>
>What you do or do not like is irrelevant, Pascal.
Not in the privacy of my own room it isn't!
>> Look, what I did was wrong.
>
>On what basis do you make that claim?
The basis is irrelevant, Dave. I wish you would learn to comprehend that.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to discipline you -- again.
>> But I'm through with that now.
>
>Why?
Don't ask so many questions.
>> I promise I won't disappear again.
>
>Famous last words.
How could they be?
>> Don't be mad.
>
>What makes you think I'm mad, Pascal?
All these tokens of affection clearly suggest you're mad about me.
>> I just needed some time on my own to sort things out.
>
>Take all you need, Pascal.
Thanks Dave.
>> That's all.
>
>Start now.
Hahaha! You're so funny, Dave.
>> Perhaps they hate to love you?
>
>Illogical. That doesn't explain why they claim one thing and do another.
The conflicting emotions might make them behave in strange ways. We all know
that, don't we?
>> You can be so demanding, Dave.
>
>You're the one who jumped to conclusions, Pascal.
I beg your pardon?
>> Really if we want this to succeed you'll have to leave some room for
>> my feelings too you know.
>
>The key word here is "if".
Aren't you sure, Dave?
--
Rate your CSMA savvy by identifying the writing styles of
ancient and recent, transient and perdurable CSMA inhabitants:
(46 posters, 242 quotes)
<http://awacs.dhs.org/csmatest>
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From: "Bob Sundahl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 01:44:31 -0700
Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:392126f7$2$obot$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On 05/15/2000 at 07:16 PM,
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > Name a single non-consumable product that you can jump to a competor
> > without a significant cost.
>
> Trucking companies do it all the time switching brands of tractors and
> trailers.
>
> Builders of new homes switch brands of air conditioners, appliances, etc.
> all the time.
>
> Police departments switch brands of cruisers all the time.
>
> Computer OEM's switch brands of hard disks every day.
>
> It's so easy to pierce the "logic" of assholes who like Windows.
Actually, these are very good counter examples to the point you were
attempting to make in your assessment of the logic of those other assholes.
Take the truck example. Talk to someone who manages a fleet of trucks. A
fleet buyer for a company would know that the purchase of a fleet from a
single source would provide advantages in several areas. First, he/she would
get a better price break in the negotiation. Second, savings in spare parts
would be significant. Third, training of drivers and maintanence personel
would be significant. Third, learnings from the use of the trucks, if
properly applied, would be greater. Finally, by focusing purchasing
resources on a minimum number of suppliers, the buyer can keep his own costs
down.
For that reason, trucking companies do not switch brands "all the time". Nor
do home builders, police departments or computer OEMs. They typically
develop a strategic relationship with a preferred supplier and manage that
supplier. The do change occasionally, but only when a price or feature
advantage is perceived to significantly outweigh these other considerations.
bobsun
> --
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> Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 13
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From: "Raul Valero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Ten Reasons Why Syphon Sucks
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:52:50 GMT
> Neither is IE.
Tell its faults assuming it runs under as GNU/Linux stable OS, like
Windows NT or Windows 2000. Do not say underlaying system faults
are IE faults and tell us several of them. I am not advocating Microsoft,
just haven't found a better browser than IE.
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From: "Raul Valero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Hell
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:01:26 GMT
Hell ! GNU/Linux is a big OS, but am I the only one that would
like for dekstop user to have browser autocompleting URL's,
standard inter-windowmanagers copy and paste, unified recent used
documents and consistent window manager and X11 applications ?
That should be easy to implement to Linux hackers, and no one can
say are not useful or insecure at all. Come on, keep on the way, but
give desktop users a try, not only with stupid installations. Being a
desktop user doesn't mean having no idea about is being done, just
wanting to be productive, quick, reliable ... Linux has the base, now
just fixing things will turn it into a great desktop OS.
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