Linux-Advocacy Digest #583, Volume #26 Thu, 18 May 00 17:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Miquel van Smoorenburg)
Re: Your office and Linux. (Bhaskar S. Manda)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (JEDIDIAH)
Re: WHICH LINUX??? (dakota)
Re: What's the difference between.... (david parsons)
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Things Linux can't do! (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: What of OS - Advocacy? (mr faridros)
Re: progamming models, unix vs Windows (Craig Kelley)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Craig Kelley)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: How many more viruses does Microsoft need to fix the problem? (Craig Kelley)
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux (Mig Mig)
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux (David Goldstein)
Happy99,virii and Linux (David Goldstein)
Re: HP-UX vs. Linux (Craig Kelley)
Re: Yet another backdoor in MS software (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Question (Matthias Warkus)
Re: An honest attempt (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Yet another backdoor in MS software (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Bob Germer)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: 18 May 2000 14:07:32 -0500
In article <8g0adl$m25$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>This failed terribly because nobody seemed interested in using Linux
>>which puzzled the staff. They went for Windows every time despite
>>having dual boot computers.
>[...]
>>We had severe network performance problems after installing Linux.
>
>Interesting how the mere presence of Linux can cause "severe network
>performance problems" in a network where everybody uses Windows all
>the time.....
Yes, I was curious about this also. I have seen some distributions
where the 'updatedb' script walks across nfs and samba mounted
partitions building the filename database which makes for some
interesting traffic with a lot of cross-mounted machines, but
even that should only happen late at night.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Miquel van Smoorenburg)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 18 May 2000 19:09:51 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Prasanth Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Can you elaborate in what way the QPL is less free than the GPL?
GPL isn't all that free either, and is entirely unsuited for
(important) libraries like Qt or, for example, glibc.
For libraries you need the LGPL.
Mike.
--
Denial. It's not just a river in Egypt.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bhaskar S. Manda)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Your office and Linux.
Date: 18 May 2000 15:07:00 -0400
Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I love this life folks....
Well, it's nice to see someone so enthusiastic about Linux. Carry on.
-bhaskar
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:18:57 GMT
On 18 May 2000 19:09:51 GMT, Miquel van Smoorenburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Prasanth Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Can you elaborate in what way the QPL is less free than the GPL?
>
>GPL isn't all that free either, and is entirely unsuited for
>(important) libraries like Qt or, for example, glibc.
>
>For libraries you need the LGPL.
...bear in mind that the two are refered to interchangably.
So, 'what he said' and 'what he meant' are likley two different
things. Probably not good enough in a real legal discussion but
good enough here.
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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Subject: Re: WHICH LINUX???
From: dakota <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:19:54 -0700
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Syphon
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Linux just plain sux....
>
Go back to second grade and learn to spell.....
>
>
>On Mon, 15 May 2000 23:41:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>(JEDIDIAH)
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 15 May 2000 23:17:14 GMT, Syphon
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>None of them...Linux sucks and you will find this out in time.
>Run
>>>Windows 2k and run a real, supported operating system instead
>of a
>>>piece of junk hack job......
>>
>> ...just don't think you can just hook 'any old'
>> USB device to it... <snicker>
>>
Also, don't think you can just hook "any old" USB device to WIN95
and NT4 <snicker>, it won't work. Win98 & 2k will just BSOD
<snicker, again>, lol. Win2k is just the "Microsoft-version" of
a real OS. Win2k (NT5) is nothing but a pathetic overhauled
version of NT4. If you want a nightmare of security flaws, POS
active directory, buffer overruns, etc. use Win2k/NT5. NT4/Win9x
isn't even worth commenting on. If you want a real
"server-class" OS without all the Winbloat then choose linux.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Mon, 15 May 2000 17:33:19 -0500, Kurt wrote:
>>>
>>>>I am a newbie to Linux and am wondering which Linux to go
>with. Suse,
>>>>Mandrake, Redhat, Debian, Corel Linux etc......... you get
>the point.
>>>>I am doing reading but haven't found good info that describes
>the
>>>>differences between the Linux variations. could anyone give
>me links,
>>>>or info that will explain differences of each and what they
>are best
>>>>suited for. I've heard Corel Linux is easy to work with, as
>far as
>>>>Linux goes, and am looking into that more than the others.
>Please
>>>>provide ANY INFORMATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for your input
>>>>KURT
>>>
>
>
I would recommend Mandrake 7 or Caldera OpenLinux for a beginner.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (david parsons)
Subject: Re: What's the difference between....
Date: 18 May 2000 11:13:12 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Full Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sat, 13 May 2000 09:07:27 -0400, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>>The other is a forum in which people promote an operating system which
>>was created out of need and shared due to a sense of public good.
>>
>
>Excuse me while I grab a bucket and throw up.
>
>I find it very hard to believe the majority of Linux advocates
>actually have jobs in IT support.
No, probably not the people here; the people doing IT support are
usually too busy to spend their time trolling comp.os.linux.flame
for NT advocates.
>Real Linux experiences:
>
>You'll have to delete Red Hat and install Mandrake - central computing
>receives CERT security alerts about Red Hat on a weekly basis.
Don't you have a firewall? At the networks that I manage, people
can put whatever insecure commercial Linux distribution they want on
their machines, because Your Friend The Firewall won't let anyone
from outside get to those machines. In the grand security scheme,
the damage people can do to RH isn't quite as nasty as the damage
that can be done with Windows, because Windows has become a
monoculture and almost any biologist can tell you how much fun
pathogens can have when everything looks alike.
>Sorry, I can't find a (bug free) Linux driver for the PCMCIA card in
>your new notebook. We've ordered another card but it won't be here
>until next week. We hope the new card will work.
Yeah, that's a bummer. I've had to deal with that problem myself;
clueless salesmen buying machines off the street, then wanting me to
install NT and Redhat on them. Well, sorry, neither of those
operating systems work on any Joe Random machine -- if you're going
to have IS build you machines, you have to have IS build you the
machine instead of hoping that A Miracle Will Occur.
>Lost a file? Sorry Mandrake NFS doesn't work and we couldn't backup
>your home directory.
I'd guess that your IT staff is fairly inexperienced, or just
unqualified.
>You want to use ftp? Sorry, Mandrake disables ftp as it transmits
>passwords in clear text and this is not secure enough.
I think your IT staff is unqualified. Adding a ftp package to
a redhat-based system is actually a fairly simple task.
____
david parsons \bi/ If you're the IT staff, you should probably look for
\/ a different job.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:27:52 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Interesting how the mere presence of Linux can cause "severe network
>>performance problems" in a network where everybody uses Windows all
>>the time.....
>Yes, I was curious about this also. I have seen some distributions
>where the 'updatedb' script walks across nfs and samba mounted
>partitions building the filename database which makes for some
>interesting traffic with a lot of cross-mounted machines, but
>even that should only happen late at night.
Also, it should only happen if at least one machine is actually running
Linux --- which Steve^h^h^h^h^hKeymaster88 assured us wasn't actually
the case, as all the employees opted for Windows all the time....
Bernie
P.S.: Updatedb can also get kinda annoying when it gets to your newsspool.
Especially when you don't expire news, and have directories with
100,000+ files...... Time to go Reiserfs ;-)
--
It pays to be obvious, especially if you have a reputation for subtlety
Isaac Asimov
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
Date: 18 May 2000 14:27:50 -0500
In article <8fvro9$vcp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <8fuipm$2cd4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>
>> Yes, I was going to point this out too. Someone whose last
>> contact with Linux was an old Slackware or RedHat 4.1 would
>> be shocked to see a Mandrake 7.0 install. By contrast, installing
>> Win NT is still just as bad because the distribution hasn't
>> changed, the CD still doesn't boot, and you need a bigger service
>> pack add-on now.
>
>Strange how Linux users have no problem using this on me w.r.t VMS.
>Many of the posters who have criticized of VMS have not even used VMS
>since version 5, when it was still using Motif, had rudimentary cluster
>support, and was not yet available on Alpha's. Yet they have no
>problems criticizing VMS on these 10 year old observations.
This isn't strange at all. It costs me nothing to download and take
advantages of all the new Linux stuff and it runs on the machines
I already have (pentium/sparc).
>In the last four years, VMS has advanced considerably more than Linux
>has. But not very many people have seen it because Compaq has this
>insane marketing strategy that people will actually find out about the
>best products.
Even if they did push sales blurbs all over the place, I wouldn't
believe much of it without some hands-on testing. They have to
make that easy as well.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mr faridros)
Subject: Re: What of OS - Advocacy?
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:33:37 GMT
On Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:23:09 GMT, Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>What will become when Microsoft dies?
>
>Will we still have OS - Advocacy newsgroups?
>
>If so, what would they be like.
>
>Would it be RedHat users against Suse users?
>Debian users against FreeBSD users?
>
what abut BEos?
HURD?
tao?
EVRYTHING IS JUST A SATE OF MIND
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Subject: Re: progamming models, unix vs Windows
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 18 May 2000 13:37:54 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (George Russell) writes:
> On Wed, 17 May 2000 20:44:25 GMT, JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip about what to backup under Linux systems]
> >
> > Only if you consider /etc and $HOME 'all over the place'.
>
> And /var/spool and /usr/lib and /opt/appname + /usr/local/appname +
> /usr/doc/appname
>
> No distribution is consistent with any other.
I can't think of a single distribution which would require backing up
/usr/lib or /usr/doc. /opt is analogous to /usr/local (although most
Linux distributions use /usr/local and not /opt).
The only directory in /var that you need to backup is /var/spool/mail
if you use a sendmail-like MTA (that's where it stores your inbox).
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 18 May 2000 13:40:43 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andy Newman) writes:
> Lars Tr�ger wrote:
> >Next we'll have people advocating a compiler because it compiles
> >programs with syntax errors.
>
> The two most commonly used compilers by developers - gcc and visual
> c - both compile programs with syntax errors without complaint, even
> with do-whizz options enabled. Some people advocate them.
Name a syntax error that gcc *ignores* while using
gcc -Wall -pedantic
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 18 May 2000 14:41:21 -0500
In article <8g0n3l$j37$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I use slackware and debian, and have no problems with either. I'd never
>touch redhat with a bargepole, since it's as nonstandard as hell.
The nice thing about standards is that there are so many of them.
>But
>even srpms' come ready-packaged. One just has to open them,
>look at their spec file and makefile, edit to taste, and go. Apply
>whatever patches look neccessary after examining them closely and
>with suspicion. Remove all RH non-standard placements, and fire.
But, for a RH system, the RH placements are standard. This turns
out to be an acquired taste. Back when it was hard to find up to
date RPMs for everything and many programs needed local tuning to
work right, it was kind of annoying to have my custom-compiled
programs land in /usr/local/ while the stock RH versions of the
same thing did not use /usr/local at all. However, now that just
about everything in the world is already built as an up-to-date RH
oriented rpm and I only have a few things in /usr/local, I
am starting to like it that way.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: How many more viruses does Microsoft need to fix the problem?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 18 May 2000 13:46:18 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (david parsons) writes:
> ____
> david parsons \bi/ After porting McAfee's virus scanner to Linux
> \/ (twice. Ugh) I think that writing av programs
> is one of those horrid things you have to pay
> someone to do.
I, for one, will give kudos for that effort. We use it with sendmail
to scan all incoming email for virii. It is easy to see that uvscan
was written for UNIX and not a cheezy port at all; the longopts are a
great boon.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Mig Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:04:53 +0200
Full Name wrote:
> After three Linux experiences, two on notebooks the other on a desk
> top, our central computing supervisor has withdrawn support for Linux.
Listen kid.. youre posting from 130.102.95.155 wich correlates to
something near bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au .. Same IP is used by David Smyth
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Posting style is even the same as yours.
Conclusion youre David Smyth!
Yore probably sitting in some room where students have access to PC's (i
have sat in the same kind of rooms).
Conclusion: Youre completely full of shit and do not work for any company
even if you want to give that impression. Your company is some dorm with
some PC's and has not a "central computing supervisor" .. youre just a sick
kid sitting in a dark room!
Any "computing supersvisor" i know would prefer Linux installed simply
because there is less work for them with it and because the users of those
systems normally are capable of resolving their own problems.
David, go out with some girls and have sex.. its more fun than Windows
computing.
Cheers David
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From: David Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:34:16 +0200
Full Name wrote:
>
> After three Linux experiences, two on notebooks the other on a desk
> top, our central computing supervisor has withdrawn support for Linux.
You'd think that learning to trim posts wouldn't be too difficult,
either ;-/
<snipped for lack of anything worthwhile added>
David Goldstein
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From: David Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Happy99,virii and Linux
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:46:18 +0200
I got some email from my brother today. It was really neat, since,
without him knowing it, the Happy99 virus was sent along as an
attachment. I smiled, double-clicked on the damned thing and...nothing.
Oh, did I mention that I do 99% of all my internet stuff under Linux?
The chances of something happening to my system are less than the
chances of your 17 year old neighbor getting your daughter knocked up
while wearing a condom :)
David Goldstein
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Subject: Re: HP-UX vs. Linux
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 18 May 2000 13:43:59 -0600
Ben Chauss� <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi,
>
> Do you know what is best between HP-UX and Linux. We want to create a
> web server, and we would like to know what is best does two one ????
About the only thing HPUX is going to give you that Linux can't is
obscurity (which can be a good defense against script kiddies).
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Yet another backdoor in MS software
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 21:48:12 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 17 May 2000 18:36:16 GMT...
...and Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote in
> <8fujj3$2f75$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >What point? Everything has bugs. If there is any point, it is that
> >the number of important bugs decreases continuously over a 15 or
> >20 year span as long as the author(s) pay attention to history.
>
> My point is that Linux is not immune from virii.
AFAIK, "virii" is the wrong plural form.
mawa
--
Whenever I'm on the edge of attempting suicide, I find comfort in the
fact that there will always be Toblerone.
Some things in this world remain.
-- mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Question
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:10:54 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 17 May 2000 22:57:27 GMT...
...and Raul Valero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What does prevent Microsoft selling its own Linux distribution with
> integrated browser (may even be IE), bonus packages (like Office)
> and a propietary installed (as most distros do) ? Then, wouldn't this
> be as monopolistic as Windows ? Just asking for opinion.
http://dev.nullmodem.de/mawa/frt/
mawa
--
Schlaglochausweicher!
Schneeballducker!
Sammelbesteller!
Sch�nwetterzelter!
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Subject: Re: An honest attempt
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:39:55 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Did you double-click on the big, shiny, golden "Linuxconf" icon on the
>KDE desktop?
That's what I did.
> If you did, you would have gotten a happy, shiny,
>annoyingly- stupid-just-like-Windows-and-MacOS GUI, not an xterm. To get
>the xterm version of Linuxconf, you would have to:
That's not what I got. I got an xterm.
Pete
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Subject: Re: Yet another backdoor in MS software
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:40:19 GMT
On Thu, 18 May 2000 21:48:12 +0200, Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It was the 17 May 2000 18:36:16 GMT...
>...and Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote in
>> <8fujj3$2f75$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>> >What point? Everything has bugs. If there is any point, it is that
>> >the number of important bugs decreases continuously over a 15 or
>> >20 year span as long as the author(s) pay attention to history.
>>
>> My point is that Linux is not immune from virii.
>
>AFAIK, "virii" is the wrong plural form.
Yup. Some of us will continue to use it anyways...
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 18 May 2000 20:34:22 GMT
In comp.os.linux.development Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: But, for a RH system, the RH placements are standard. This turns
: out to be an acquired taste. Back when it was hard to find up to
: date RPMs for everything and many programs needed local tuning to
: work right, it was kind of annoying to have my custom-compiled
: programs land in /usr/local/ while the stock RH versions of the
: same thing did not use /usr/local at all. However, now that just
: about everything in the world is already built as an up-to-date RH
: oriented rpm and I only have a few things in /usr/local, I
: am starting to like it that way.
I've been using debian sources for too long now to remember what I used
to have to undo in the RH ones. I think it was config files that didn't
go into /etc but instead some place in /usr/lib.
I use /usr/local for things that weren't in my original system and
aren't likely to be in it for the foreseeable future. Netscape would
be an example, though I can't think of any good ones.
Peter
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
From: Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 20:48:55 GMT
On 05/18/2000 at 07:44 AM,
"Erik Fuckingliar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > > Illya Vaes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > > >>Bummer dude because "The FEDS" began their MS anti-trust
> investigation
> > > in
> > > > >That was not the DOJ. That was the FTC.
> > > >
> > > > FTC == _Fed_eral Trade Commission, isn't it??
> > > > You stoop to new lows in your quest of denial, "Erik"...
> >
> > > The original statement, which you conveniently cut, stated specifically
> > > the DOJ. Joseph said "the feds", in response to that, also referring to
> > > the DOJ.
> >
> > The HELL it did. I have them all. You are the one who changed it to spread
> > your fuckinglies.
You have done it again, Fuckingliar. You conveniently omitted the date
after the in. The date you conveniently omit was 1995.
> Bob, your insistence to deny everything I say only makes you look
> foolish. You claim here that the original article did not specifically
> refer to the DOJ. Here, let's look at it, shall we?
No, Fuckingliar, you are the one exposed as a congenital liar who must
have his parents' in the depths of dispair over the worthless, lying lout
they spawned. As long as you spew forth lies in behalf of a criminal
organization, you will be exposed.
> Bob Hauck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > MS needs to get their lies straight. A few years ago, when it suited MS
> > in their negotiations with the DOJ over "bundling", there was a "chinese
> > wall" between the groups. Now, when it suits them, there is no such wall
> > and the existence of one would be detrimental to the company.
> To which I responded:
> >A few years ago?
> >
> >MS has denied the existance of a chinese wall since at *LEAST* December of
> >1991 when Mark Maples (MS's spokesman at the time) stated it didn't exist
> in
> >InfoWorld. This was years before any DOJ negotiations.
> >
> >The Chinese Wall was talked about in the mid-80's, not in the 90's.
> And then Joseph responded:
> >Bummer dude because "The FEDS" began their MS anti-trust investigation in
> >1989 - two full years before 1991.
> To which I responded:
> >That was not the DOJ. That was the FTC.
The Feds above includes the DOJ, the FTC, the Navy, the Army, the Air
Force, the IRS, the INS, the Marine Corp, the Treasury Department, the
Department of State, the FBI, the FDA, the DEA, the Forest Service, and
hundreds of other US agencies. Your statement is merely an attempt to
change the meaning of another's words to suit your illegal, untrue,
immoral position on behalf of a convicted criminal organization.
You are very adept at using the tools taught by Hitler and Goebels in the
1920's and onward until 1945. So is your hero, Bill Hitler Gates.
You are a disgrace to your parents, your neighbors, everyone who ever
heard your disgusting name.
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As the court closes in on M$, Lemmings are morphing to Ostrats!
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