Linux-Advocacy Digest #583, Volume #30 Fri, 1 Dec 00 03:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Whistler review. (J.C.)
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Tom Wilson")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Netscape review. ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Whistler review. ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Chad C. Mulligan")
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:10:44 GMT
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8w1V5.25851$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8R%U5.19068$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > OK, let's try approaching this from the other direction. How many
large
> > > apps
> > > from MS's competitors are you still running unchanged from the first
> > version
> > > of Windows. Or even from 1995?
> > >
> >
> > How 'bout WordPerfect5.0 (Many lawyers use it because the line numbering
> > works).
> >
>
> The DOS version? Revised DLL's probably don't hurt those much. It
should
> work fine under Linux/DOSEMU too. How many of your old DOS memory
> managers work now, though? Remember when it was almost impossible to
> use a box without a 3rd party memory manager?
>
Funny, I never did. I had to many headaches with QEMM so I read the book on
EMM386 and started getting better performance.
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:11:32 GMT
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
> >
> > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Chad Mulligan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Perchance you need some learnin' on system configuration. BTW Linux
2.3
> > > > with KDE really stunk on that system. And Linux wouldn't run the SQL
> > > > application.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Perchance you need some learnin' on system configuration.
> > > Like I said, if you read carefully enough, this is a fresh,
> > > default install from the Windozzzzzzzzzzzzz 2000 Pro CD.
> > > No extra crap running, just the default stuff.
> > >
> > > Maybe you need to take a mulligan.
> >
> > Nope, maybe you need to learn how to configure systems. The funny thing
> > about the old piece of junk is the HD is flakey too but software
performance
> > is fine.
>
> I regretfully conclude that you're thick as shit. Sorry.
If I'm ever in dire need of an opinion of absolutely no value, you will be
the first notified.
>
> Chris
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:15:21 GMT
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Byrns wrote:
> >mark wrote:
> >
<trimmed>
> >
> >How about going to the root of the problem and updating your BIOS?
> >
>
> My BIOS has nothing to do with Win98 failing to shut down.
>
Actually it has everything to do with it.
> Interestingly, if I use APM and linux on the same hardware,
> not only does it close down properly, but it powers down as
> well.
>
So you got the correct drivers.
> Win98SE is failing to even close down, let alone power down.
>
Get the correct drivers....
> So - Chad - can you sort this for me, please - an email to
> tech support is all it takes you, I understand from your
> previous posting?
>
Problem solved.
Replace User, Press any key to continue.
> Ta,
>
> Mark
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:17:48 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 28 Nov 2000 06:39:43
> >"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <8vsjnl$5ffj4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> says...
<trimmed>
>
> >Lotus didn't use the API the way the should've, and they messed up with
the
> >NTLM.
>
> Well, it was Microsoft's API, so doesn't that mean its just a crappy
> platform, seeing as the dominant industry leader couldn't get it to work
> the way they wanted it to?
>
I'd think the developer is required to write his application correctly to
the target platform.
> >MS went out of its way to fix this. Did it very fast, too.
>
> Yea. Quite fast. Almost as if they already knew just where the
> incompatibility was....
>
> --
> T. Max Devlin
> *** The best way to convince another is
> to state your case moderately and
> accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J.C.)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 1 Dec 2000 18:19:32 +1100
On Fri, 01 Dec 2000 06:57:51 GMT, Chad C. Mulligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
[snip]
>> Uh huh. You're a NT/2k admin, I presume? How many hits/day do _you_ get?
>>
>
>Not that many
Well, that's my fucking point. For a living, I admin high-traffic boxes. NT/2k
just can't keep up with the load -- unix/clones can.
> because business runs on more than a web server.
So? First, my job description ventures far further than administrating just
webservers, I'm
just using webserving as one (1) example of where NT/2k can't keep up. In any case,
though, my
point is, if NT/2k can't handle the stress of being a webserver, how is it going to
handle an
equal amount of _any_ activity, webserving-related or not?
[snip]
--
J.C.
"The free flow of information along data highways being piped into our
homes and offices will permit unimaginable control by a small elite..."
-- 'The Thunder of Justice', pg. 264
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:20:44 GMT
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Curtis wrote:
> >
> > Your example had me wondering though.
> >
> > What practical real world task are you doing with you real world
> > operating system in the context of browsing that I can't achieve with
> > IE? I use Netcaptor to be exact that uses the IE engine. I don't use OE.
>
> Avoiding Trojans comes to mind. Not to mention that NT/2000 require
> some serious reconfiguration to avoid myriads of problems due to that
> leaky boat called "port 139".
>
Two settings changes are 'serious reconfiguration' hell you can turn it on
and off as desired. Or just implement IPSEC and still use it as designed.
> Chris
>
> --
> Now why don't y'all juss leave this
> poor ol' cuntry bawh alone? Ah'm a simple man,
> and I don't unnerstand this windoze 'n' linux
> crap. Why can't a man enjoy porno all by his
> lonesome w'out some revenuer buttin' in????
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:21:58 GMT
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <_KFU5.473$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Chad Mulligan wrote:
> >
> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Said Chad Mulligan in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 26 Nov 2000
01:19:18
> >> [...]
> >> >> Chuckle. I'm still waiting for any of the things I want. Still,
> >> >> I'll assume you were joking here.
> >> >
> >> >Not exactly, They do try to meet marketing requests. Little things
like
> >the
> >> >Terminal Server addition to Win2K Server for remote adminstration
> >originated
> >> >from an e-mail sent to tech support at MS by myself.
> >>
> >> Funny, I would have thought it originated from the fact that this has
> >> been a standard feature of server OSes for decades.
> >>
> >
> >I'm not talking about Telnet, though that's been available on NT for
years
> >as well.
>
> Client or server?
Both. Client included, server in the resource kit.
>
> Mark
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:27:15 GMT
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, T. Max Devlin
wrote:
> >Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 28 Nov 2000 02:33:16
> > [...]
> >>When was it, exactly?
> >>Because prior to late 1998, Netscape *was* a monopoly in the browsers
> >>market.
> >
> >Well, they were the market leader, and had well over 50% of the market.
> >But that has nothing to do with being a monopoly. It is
> >anti-competitive behavior, not market share, which makes a monopoly.
> >
> >>MS didn't have a fighting chance in the browser market until IE4. And
the
> >>reason that I moved to IE wasn't because he was better, it was because
> >>Netscape was bloated and heavy and buggy.
> >>I don't think that I would've moved if they were of comparable quality.
> >
> >I'm not going to bother trying to convince you that your ability to
> >determine the quality of a piece of software is obviously flawed. I can
> >even agree with the sentiment that Netscape was (is) bloated, heavy, and
> >buggy. But the last version of IE which could avoid the same, and
> >worse, label was before version 3; since then, they've been equally fat
> >and stupid. IE just has the added disadvantage of being monopoly
> >crapware.
> >
> > [...]
> >>IE has a tendecy to take a 9x down with it when it die. (Not on NT,
usually.
> >>And 2000 & Whistler has an option to launch IE & Explorer as seperated
> >>processes, a little slower to launch {*mcuh* faster on Whistler, a
> >>difference of almost 2 seconds, but it's not fair comparing a
workstation to
> >>a server} but it increase system stability.)
> >>Netscape only takes itself down (usually, at least, there had been
> >>exceptions), but it takes as much time to load it as it takes to reboot
> >>windows.
> >
> >Hmmmm....
>
> If I could actually manage to *stop* win98 then that might seem
> like a sensible statement.
>
> Chad's not taken up my request to get Microsoft tech support to
> fix that, and Mike? seems to think its something to do with the
> machine's BIOS.
>
Try this: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q238/0/96.ASP
although you'll have to read it and determine which scenario fits your
system.
> Fyi I've rebooted Win98SE once today, and my wife has rebooted
> Win95 3 times. Each time took *far* more time than loading
> netscape.
>
> Mark
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:28:51 GMT
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> mark wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> >
> > So, what newsgroup has 100,000 messages in it?
> >
> > Mark
>
> Maybe this very NG, in a short time, if neither you nor Ayende give up!
> :-)
FOTCL
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:43:49 GMT
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <uZFU5.506$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Chad Mulligan wrote:
> >
> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <4%ZT5.10151$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> Chad Mulligan wrote:
> >> >
> ><trimmed>
> >> >
> >> >Wrong, Try again. SE Asia (Including NZ, and AUS) is the largest
richest
> >> >market in the world, with China and India following. EC ain't even
> >fifth.
> >> >If we Californians ever get our sh== together we'll suceed from the
union
> >> >and they'll drop to seventh or so.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Those are not a _single_ markets. The EC is the largest richest
> >> single market in the world. It's quite possible that because of the
> >> way currencies are valued internationally, that China and India are
> >> first and second in the world, but this is the way things are now.
> >
> >That's a half rabbit. They are markets the way a company I left recently
> >looked at them.
> >
> >>
> >> Mark
> >
> >
>
> Ah, so if a company decides that the NAFTA doesn't exist then it
> disappears into a 'half rabbit'?
>
> The EC is a legal entity. The other regions you refer to are
> regions with trade barriers between then. If your company was
> treating these regions as single markets then it was committing
> tax fraud, so I think you're probably very wrong about this.
>
The market determination is an internal MARKETing strategy and has
absolutely nothing at all to do with income, taxes or whether or not the
europeans believe themselves to be a single country or not. That question
is still in the air as far as the UK is concerned. Enough hare splitting.
End of line.
> Mark
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:44:51 GMT
"Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:wgIV5.25038$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >
> > >Lotus didn't use the API the way the should've, and they messed up with
> the
> > >NTLM.
> >
> > Well, it was Microsoft's API, so doesn't that mean its just a crappy
> > platform, seeing as the dominant industry leader couldn't get it to work
> > the way they wanted it to?
> >
>
> I'd think the developer is required to write his application correctly to
> the target platform.
In other words you think Microsoft should be allowed to dictate
the kinds of software that competing vendors can supply simply
by omitting the documentation for the API to do certain necessary
operations?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:38:48 GMT
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <C1GU5.512$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Chad Mulligan wrote:
> >
> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <wWZT5.10145$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> Chad Mulligan wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> Chad Mulligan wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >> >
> >> >> > > But it really is very simple to install wine. If you can't do
it,
> >> >then
> >> >> > you
> >> >> > > have no brain:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > rpm -Uvh wine*.rpm
> >> >> >
> >> >> > This assumes you use a distribution that supports RPM, not all do.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> The other major choice is deb. Just get the deb package and
install.
> >It
> >> >is
> >> >> easy.
> >> >
> >> >Also an assumption. Ever looked at Slackware????
> >>
> >> It's not an assumption, it's a fact. 'The other major choice' means
> >> exactly what it says. This is not a Microsoft world with a one
> >> true way defined by some people in Redmond, it's a world of choice.
> >>
> >
> >Not a fact. Claire said she can count on any install to be standardized.
> >The penquinista's response was so's ours, holding RPM, I say RPM ain't
> >alwasy there, then you said use deb, but it ain't always there either.
So
> >you cannot count on a simple installation.
>
> Fact - the other major choice is deb.
Fact - NOT.
>
> Mark
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:29:56 GMT
"Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:YsHV5.4091$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "B. P. Uecker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Tom Wilson wrote in <bJ5U5.201$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > >IMHO, they ignore Netware because it routinely kicked NT's ass in the
> file
> > >serving department for years. NT couldn't even come close where
stability
> > >and uptime were concerned. Netware was always more responsive, too.
> >
> > Stability? Netware? Ha ha ha!!!
>
> Yes. Netware...Stable.
> Particularly in comparison to NT4 Server in a file serving environment.
>
> That last shop I worked at utilized a Novell server that was never
rebooted
> during my entire time there. (1 year). It held service records and related
> documents as well as software archives and was used heavily. It also
served
> a Color LaserJet printer.
I forgot to mention that said machine was an IBM-PS/2 Model 80.
>
>
> --
> Tom Wilson
> A Computer Programmer who wishes he'd chosen another vocation.
>
>
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:30:55 GMT
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <PC%U5.18961$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad C. Mulligan
wrote:
> >
> >"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > I'm not talking about Telnet, though that's been available on NT for
> >years
> >> > as well.
> >>
> >> The telnet client maybe...
> >>
> >> Or did you mean commercial third party addons for NT that allowed
telnet?
> >> MS's one never appeared to make it out of beta until 2k.
> >>
> >
> >No the resource kit has had a telnet server for years.
>
> Serving what, exactly?
port 23
> >
> >>
> >> But then, telnet isn't too useful on a system with a hampered command
> >> line either...
> >
> >
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:45:27 GMT
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <lYFU5.502$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Chad Mulligan wrote:
> >
> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <2QZT5.10139$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> Chad Mulligan wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Curtis
wrote:
> >> >> >Les Mikesell wrote...
> >> >> >> Indeed, quite a lot of functionality has been withheld from those
> >> >computer
> >> >> >> users and they don't even know what they are missing. I'll bet
if
> >> >they
> >> >> >> have a huge list of names in
> >> >> >> Last, First
> >> >> >> format and wanted
> >> >> >> First Last
> >> >> >> they would retype the whole thing since they don't have:
> >> >> >> :%s/\(.*\), \(.*\)/\2 \1/
> >> >> >> or any reasonable equivalent. Their loss. And it would be
> >> >> >> mine if that is all I had.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Actually, what I do in Win2k here is fire up my TextPad, open the
> >search
> >> >> >and replace tool, enable regex's and for the search expression:
> >> >> >^\([[:word:]]+\), \([[:word:]]+\) or
> >> >> >I could use your expression to be less precise
> >> >> >\(.*\), (.*\)
> >> >> >and the replacement expression
> >> >> >\2, \1
> >> >> >I hit 'replace all' and I'm done. If I feel I have to do this on
more
> >> >> >occasions, I just create a macro to do it with one programmable
> >shortcut.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Whereas I go to the pub and buy a pint with the money that I didn't
> >give
> >> >> to Microsoft :)
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >To bad you wouldn't have the time, what with all the arcane tasks
needed
> >to
> >> >keep a UNIX healthy.
> >>
> >> Even my updating is automated.
> >>
> >
> >Check.
> >
> >> And, I can admin my machines using my Psion series 5mx and my mobile
> >> phone from the pub if I really want to.
> >>
> >
> >So could I, but I don't need to.
> >
>
> Interesting, I didn't realise you could admin NT from a command
> line & telnet. I thought you needed some special graphical
> capability or needed to be at the console or something. I
> thought Microsoft was making a big thing about getting rid of
> the command line?
>
The command line is stil alive and well. They are making remote gui
adminstration far easier too, even web based management.
>
>
> >> Mark
> >
> >
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:33:03 GMT
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "." wrote:
> >
> > > > Or did you mean commercial third party addons for NT that allowed
telnet?
> > > > MS's one never appeared to make it out of beta until 2k.
> > >
> > > No the resource kit has had a telnet server for years.
> >
> > So what was the reason for the beta of the MS telnet server we tried for
> > NT4?
> >
> > IOW: if they already had a stable working version, why was ours only
> > available in beta?
>
> Microsoft telnet is crap. I find puTTY, which connects to ssh, to be far
> more responsive and filled with features. Not to mention more secure.
>
Win2K has a command line client that is quite good. I'll have to agree
about the other one. puTTY is a great little application.
> --
> Now why don't y'all juss leave this
> poor ol' cuntry bawh alone?
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Netscape review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:47:50 GMT
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:mSDV5.24836$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > >
> > > > You know, I can't even view the MS website
> > > > properly with Netscape as the ONLY browser
> > > > you can see it with properly is MSIE.
> > >
> > > The funny part is that I bet they don't even know
> > > that. They probably just used the Microsoft tools
> > > they sell everyone else that claim to follow standards
> > > but in fact don't interoperate correctly with anything
> > > else. Perhaps they have even deceived themselves.
> > >
> >
> > You'd like that eh? Too bad it just ain't true.
> >
>
> You mean they made it broken on purpose? Why?
>
Last time I was there with Netscape it worked fine. Windows Update isn't
available but everything else was OK.. It worked well with Opera too. Still
waiting for Mozilla to check it with that.
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:50:57 GMT
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:QqEV5.24856$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > >
> > > >Just exactly how many WEEKS would it take to install 1500 apps on a
> > windows box?
> > > >
> > > Exactly why my company uses pre-made images on CD. Problem now is
that
> > > Microsoft want paying twice. One for the OEM version, then once
> > > for the CD.
> > >
> >
> > Not even close. Read the License, you are allowed to make backups,
that's
> > all images are.
> >
>
> Microsoft has been insisting that you can't run that copy unless you pay
the
> license fee for it. This made the trade rags a while ago - I'm not sure
> how it has been worked out since, but this is exactly the situation
> described.
> They claimed that buying an OEM copy with the machine did not give
> you a license to replace it with your stock in-house image even of
> exactly the same version of windows.
>
Hadn't heard that one. Don't think they'll win in court over the wrong
serial number as long as proof of purchase is accounted for. Remote
Installation services and the automated setup configs allow, even recommend
using common media for multiple installations now.
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 07:53:51 GMT
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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> "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:wgIV5.25038$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > >
> > > >Lotus didn't use the API the way the should've, and they messed up
with
> > the
> > > >NTLM.
> > >
> > > Well, it was Microsoft's API, so doesn't that mean its just a crappy
> > > platform, seeing as the dominant industry leader couldn't get it to
work
> > > the way they wanted it to?
> > >
> >
> > I'd think the developer is required to write his application correctly
to
> > the target platform.
>
> In other words you think Microsoft should be allowed to dictate
> the kinds of software that competing vendors can supply simply
> by omitting the documentation for the API to do certain necessary
> operations?
Noooo. The Notes debacle resulted from changes to the NT security model
included in SP6 that invalidated the Notes/Domino Server's installation
since IBM/Lotus didn't write their application to the Win32 API, or use
proper NTLM account referrences, in short the wrote their server in total
disregard for the platform they wished to run on.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
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