Linux-Advocacy Digest #616, Volume #26 Sat, 20 May 00 17:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (nohow)
Re: Microsoft finally gets the idea... almost ("Christopher Smith")
Re: Things Linux can't do! ("Christopher Smith")
Re: 10 things with Linux I wish I knew before i jumped ("Yannick")
Time to prove it's not just words ("Yannick")
Re: Microsoft finally gets the idea... almost (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (JEDIDIAH)
Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Joseph)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (JEDIDIAH)
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Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software (Joseph)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 20 May 2000 15:08:21 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>On Debian that would be:
>>>
>>>"dpkg --get-selections > packages.dpkg" on master machine
>>>"dpkg --set-selections < packages.dpkg" on new machine
>>
>>How graceful is it about hardware differences?
>
>The above shouldn't change your hardware config. at all. In Debian hardware
>configuration is pretty much a manual affair anyway.
That's a problem - I'm looking for a full-auto system administrator
(to the extent possible, anyway). RedHat uses something called
kudzu to deal with hardware setup, and it handles things like
plugging in new hard drives, scsi tape drives, etc. I'm not
sure if it will catch video card changes on i386 machines but
I suspect it will. I've installed RH on a sparc 5, then swapped
the disk into an IPX and kudzu noticed that the video and sound
disk devices were different, asked if I wanted to deactivate the
old ones and then activate the new ones, and then continued to
boot up. I was impressed.
>> And is there
>>a way to do a subsequent update (including adding/removing as
>>well as updating packages) on the master so the copies can
>>track along?
>
>I imagine you could repeate the above any time you wanted to sync the client
>machines' packages but I can't say I've ever tried it. Most people just use
>"apt-get update" "apt-get upgrade" to keep their packages up to date. If
>you have several machines that you really want to stay identical then you
>might be better nfs mounting the / dir from the server or maybe using rsync.
Rsync doesn't know about any of the config changes that go along with
changed files. We need something that knows how to delete an
existing package that the maintainer no longer wants (example: he
switches from sendmail to postfix).
>> What if source changes are done and things
>>recompiled? Can the package be rebuilt and loaded from
>>an alternate location on the copies?
>
>You can have lines in your /etc/apt/sources.list like:
>
>deb ftp://USER:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/my_custom_debs/local
>
>and then put any custom built packages on your ftp server.
That sounds reasonable.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 20:12:48 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
> > > : 3. A DirectX-like platform for hardware-accelerated devices, not
> > > : necessarily at the kernel level;
> > > Whats wrong with OpenGL?
> > The fact that it's not hardware-accelerated?
> Of course it is hardware accelerated.
No. It isn't.
It may have the potential to be accelerated at some point in the
future, but, as of this writing, it is not. NVIDIA has flatly stated
that they will not be doing hardware-accelerated OpenGL until XF86
4.0. As XF86 4.0 is not the official XF86 at this point, there is
not, officially, any hardware-accelerated OpenGL at this point.
> The entire idea of OpenGL is wrapping hardware
> acceleration. Everything in the OpenGL API is centred around making
> effective hardware accelerated implementations possible.
Actually, I think the entire idea of OpenGL is making available a
high-level 3D API to the user.
It seems to me that if they were more interested in wrapping hardware
acceleration, OpenGL would look more like Direct3D (which is
considerably more minimalist).
> > > No, if apache is not killer app, you'll have to invent totally new way
> > > of using computers.
> > Apache isn't a killer app. The reason is that only webmasters use web
> > servers.
> Help systems use Web servers. Webmin uses a Web server. Heck, even
> SIAG Office serves Web pages.
My opinions on the overuse of Web servers aside, none of this changes
the fact that your average shmoe does not use one. Bear in mind that
"your average shmoe" refers to the average of all computer users, no
matter what OS they have. So, tell me, does the average Win98 user
have a webserver installed?
> > A killer app is something that most computer users will find
> > useful.
> Of course Apache is a killer app.
Of course it is not.
--
Eric P. McCoy ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
non-combatant, n. A dead Quaker.
- Ambrose Bierce, _The Devil's Dictionary_
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From: nohow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 13:24:58 -0700
On Sat, 20 May 2000 09:40:19 -0400, Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
>Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>>
>> Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:39257761$2$obot$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> > People can only read what you write. If you choose some wierd definition
>> > of standard terms like OLE which no one understands, then you have not
>> > chosen your words very carefully.
>>
>> I'm using the exact same definition that MS does. OLE (without any numbers)
>> means OLE2. This can be noted by looking at "Inside OLE" (which is the
>> third edition of the book. The second version was called Inside OLE2. Note
>> how MS dropped the 2 moniker, prefering to act like OLE1 never existed).
>
>MS has a reference to OLE version 1.0 on their web page. MS calls it
>"OLE, Version 1.0"
>
>1.0 is a version number. 2.0 is a version number.
>
>There never was an API called OLE2 - ever.
>
>You lied about OLE and when busted you got nervous and tried a second
>lie - change the meaning of OLE such that is does not refer to OLE
>Version 1.0. MS's own web pages still uses "OLE, Version 1.0".
It was refered to in MS's development docs as OLE 2 to distinguish it
from OLE which was then relabeled OLE 1. Erik's information about
Kraig Brockschmidt is incorrect though - there's only two editions.
The first edition was titled "Inside OLE 2" and the second edition was
"Inside OLE".
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft finally gets the idea... almost
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 06:29:43 +1000
"Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Christopher Smith wrote:
>
>
> >
> > I don't know of any Windows mailers that automatically execute
executable
> > content either, but that wasn't the issue.
> >
> > The issue was the blurring of the distinction between apps and
documents,
> > something pioneered by the MacOS. It's generally considered to be A
Good
> > Thing
>
> Considered by whom?
Most people pushing/using/advocating "modern" and "intuitive" interfaces
(KDE, GHOME, Wndows, MacOS, BeOS, OS/2 et al).
Basically, everyone except Unix users :D.
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 06:32:03 +1000
"abraxas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8g6q6g$9im$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > OH please! Stephen want's proof that NT or W2K blue screen.
>
> Although I have no hard evidence (I didnt take pictures), the second
> time W2K professional bluescreened on this very desktop machine,
> I let linux finally eat its partition in favor of a nice devel
> ext2fs.
>
> My S.O.s laptop (running W2K professional as well) has now
> bluescreened 4 times, twice while trying to quite RealPlayer.
> (trying to quit IE was what did it the first time on my desktop
> machine). Luckily the last couple of bluescreens on that laptop
> havent been as bad as the first (when I horror of horrors, plugged
> a USB mouse into the machine) which resulted in a 'NO KERNEL FOUND'
> (or something very close to that) error apon reboot.
I always find it amazing that this sort of thing:
a) *Never* happens to anyone I know
b) Always seems to happen to faceless people on usenet who spend most of
their time cursing Microsoft.
I'm thinking my WindowsAI theory might be right :).
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From: "Yannick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: 10 things with Linux I wish I knew before i jumped
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 20:22:55 GMT
abraxas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a �crit dans le message :
8fhfuu$v7s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Stuart R. Fuller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Phillip ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > : 2nd of all:
> > : If something goes wrong - Linux will tell you clearly what the problem is -
> > : so LISTEN to it
Yes, yes, I found that nice feature the other day. Kark, the archiver of KDE, for some
dark reason, found amusing to fill up the system partition with 1.5 GB of the same
error
in a log file. But Linux didn't tell me the disk was 100.0% full.
I closed Kark, went back to my work (developing a website). Modified a file using
the provided system "enhanced editor". When I saved it, it said "Wrote xxxx.htm".
Cool, I said. And went to test it with Navigator. Didn't work as expected.
Tried a few modifications (the editor always grinning "Wrote xxxx.htm".).
Never worked.
Damn, I thought. I must have made a mistake. Opened a shell. saw the file size was
zero. Damn, I thought again. Some weirdness in the file system. Deleted the file.
Saved it again (editor grins). No effet. Damn, I thought. The editor has a problem.
Opened a second one. Copy/Pasted the file contents. Saved it (editor grins)...
Well it lasted some time until I found out the hard drive was full. (Because of course
ls does not remind you of the remaining free space). In fact, it was that 1.4GB log
file
in my home directory which gave an hint. If it had been in another directory, it would
have taken hours to find.
> > : If something goes wrong - Linux will tell you clearly what the problem is -
> > : so LISTEN to it
LOL !!! (I'm rolling on the ground)
Yes, and there's also all those KDE apps which don't start. Without any error machine
or chance to understand the problem, either.
Oh, and yes, our beautiful linux server, this afternoon. A real server machine, running
Linux with mail and web server. At one moment, it just went mad. It was so busy
that there was no way to move the mouse, type anything, switch to a text console.
Our telnet sessions slowed down to 1 character/10 minutes. We waited
for about 20 minutes but we had to crash-reboot the system because we needed that
server. And of course we still don't know what happened.
> > : "general fault error" is just plain Windows crap.
>
> > So, how is "segmentation fault" more useful than "general protection fault"?
>
> It doesnt bring down the entire OS and its possible to grab debugging information
> from the process right before it bombs out.
>
Mmmm, while working quite a lot with linux those last few months, I've spent almost a
year
working on Windows
NT and Windows 98 about 9-10 hours a day. The windows NT is at the office, the Windows
98
at home.
The Win98 installation was done in Fall 1998, and it was upgraded from Win95,
installed in
June 1998. I have
tried, installed and uninstalled (properly or not) many freewares, beta apps, games,
etc...
But there is one thing that must be wrong with it. I almost NEVER get a system crash.
(almost NEVER = about once or twice per month perhaps, some resulting from old crappy
software using strange
DOS extenders that abuse of the permissive DOS support of Win9x.)
I DO get some apps that crash sometimes. (in particular IE5, there is a bug I found,
when
you use the middle mouse button
to scroll (which few people do) while the page is loading, you sometimes get IE5 to
crash.
Of course this does _not_ crash
the desktop or other explorer windows, and all the hassle is only starting IE5 again...
Bad, but bearable). But this very rarely
results in a system crash, except for those DOS apps.
Oh, yes one last thing : these are only system crashes. Nothing gets lost or
degradated.
KDE, on my personal linux, home,
which I use only to develop my website, is starting to degradate. For instance, I can't
access the display properties now.
Yannick.
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From: "Yannick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Time to prove it's not just words
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 20:22:58 GMT
Okay, so I thought :
"I have a problem with the file access permissions on my linux webserver.
This, of course, come from the over-simplisitic permissions in linux, always
thought I'd eventually come to problems with them. Only I had not expected
so soon. Now, there's a lot of people here saying good of linux, and many
of them saying the access permissions of linux are sufficient. So surely
they know how to solve my problem..."
So, here is the problem. I have one solution, which is a five-legged sheep.
I will not tell it to you so that you start from a clear view of the problem.
I want to know what would be your solution for the problem.
* The files discussed here are part of a website. The server machine serves
several websites, so major changes to the configuration of httpd are not
a good idea. Httpd is running as "nobody/nobody".
* The website uses PHP. The PHP scripts may need to create, next to each
html file in the website, a sort of "translated" version of it. This file
is regenerated when target is older or missing.
* Several users have access to parts of the site as authors. They may want to update
the site, and possibly remove the translated files generated by the server,
using FTP, and, possibly, telnet. There is no restriction to how the
user accounts must be : they will only be used for that job.
So there are files that the user must write and read and the server read,
and files that the server can create and read and the user remove.
Who has got a solution for my problem ?
Thanks in advance for any help.
I still regret Windows NT's ACLs.
Yannick.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft finally gets the idea... almost
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 20:24:48 GMT
On Sat, 20 May 2000 17:31:10 +1000, Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Loren Petrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:8g518f$55i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Rob S. Wolfram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>In all fairness if you want to lay "blame" for that (if you consider it
>> >>something that deserves to be "blamed" on someone) you would have to lay
>it
>> >>on Apple. After all, as the Mac advocates are so proud of trumpeting,
>they
>> >>did pioneer that whole document-centric GUI thing.
>>
>> >Oh, that's very possible. I have exactly zero experience with the Mac,
>> >so I really can't say. I do consider it a problem, though, that email
>> >content can be executed from within the mail client. If that is also
>> >common on the Mac, they are at fault just as well.
>>
>> My experience with MacOS-native mailers is rather limited, but in
>> it, autoexecuting of executable content is uncommon.
>
>I don't know of any Windows mailers that automatically execute executable
>content either, but that wasn't the issue.
>
>The issue was the blurring of the distinction between apps and documents,
>something pioneered by the MacOS. It's generally considered to be A Good
>Thing
Except the problem in question isn't a side effect of the
Document centric notions in MacOS. There you have the line
blurred but the line is blurred between inert Documents
and a small number of trusted decoders.
That's a bit different than blurring the line even further
by making the Documents themselves programs.
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 20:30:58 GMT
On Sat, 20 May 2000 05:00:02 GMT, David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore) writes:
>
>' The QPL requires software be free (as in free beer). It also requires
>' you to submit any software you link with QT to them, even if it is not
>' distributed and from the wording it seems that they want you to give
>' them unlimited rights to even your own personal (again, non
>' distributed) programs that you link to Qt.
>
>It requires your software to be GPL, if you use the Qt Free Edition.
>Naturally, if you don't like that, don't use Qt.
This alone makes the QPL more restrictive than the LGPL.
>
>Perhaps the project idea requested should be a free C++ library that
>does what Qt does. It should probably be a clone that you can build
>KDE against. Otherwise, no one may want it.
[deletia]
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
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comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 20:33:22 GMT
On 20 May 2000 14:54:26 -0500, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>' And as a result of SuSE predating RedHat, SuSE rpms are incompatible
>>' with RedHat ones :-( I wish they'd switch to dpkg, but I bet there would
>>' be incompatibilities with Debian there too - for the same reasons -
>>' maintaining backwards compatibility breaks sidewards compatibility :-(
>>
>>It is the RPM BS that has caused me to abandon that format whenever
>>possible. Instead, I prefere to install software from source.
>>Packages that conform to the ./configure, make, make install mantra
>>are easy to build and put where you want them.
>
>You left out the dozen obligatory arguments to ./configure that
>are different for every package to make it interoperate with
I dunno about you, but I rarely if ever actually need to
use any of those options...
[deletia]
The point of automation is to avoid such manual futzing.
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In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 20:36:57 GMT
On Sat, 20 May 2000 13:05:15 GMT, Full Name <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 18 May 2000 09:50:55 +0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Victor Wagner)
>wrote:
>
>>
>>: 1. A streamlined, easy install process;
>>
>>Disagree. System should be installed by competent techinicans in
>>computer shops. Windows is not any more easy to install than say
>>Mandrake 7.0, only user do it much more frequently, so get used to it.
>>
>
>What can someone say to such a stupid statement.
That you are a moron.
Windows and DOS are where they are today because most people
don't have to deal with installing them. Any little quirk in
your setup and any WinDOS, Solaris, BeOS or Linux install can
quickly become nasty.
This is a side effect of the PC being a random collection of
spare parts. That adds a level of complexity to the whole
situation that is very difficult to just 'program around'.
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In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Why my company will NOT use Linux
Date: 20 May 2000 15:39:41 -0500
In article <8g66ov$9l8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>mlinuxlover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>>I'm not realy sure If I want real estate agents runnung linux.
>
>More to the point, I *am* sure I don't want *my* 10 person real estate
>agent hire "several consultants" plus "a manager" to allegedly attempt
>a conversion from NT to Linux, in spite of such a conversion being impossible
>due to the need to maintain compatibility with an existing "vertical
>application".
>
>I mean, my rent is high enough as it is. I really don't feel like paying
>all these extra people --- without even the theoretical chance of saving
>them (and thus maybe me) money in the long run.
If that is the case, you should be more concerned about the mistake
they made in choosing the wrong platform in the first place than
you are about the work to get away from that vendor-locked setup.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 13:43:39 -0400
From: Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
nohow wrote:
>
> On Sat, 20 May 2000 09:40:19 -0400, Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >>
> >> Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:39257761$2$obot$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >> > People can only read what you write. If you choose some wierd definition
> >> > of standard terms like OLE which no one understands, then you have not
> >> > chosen your words very carefully.
> >>
> >> I'm using the exact same definition that MS does. OLE (without any numbers)
> >> means OLE2. This can be noted by looking at "Inside OLE" (which is the
> >> third edition of the book. The second version was called Inside OLE2. Note
> >> how MS dropped the 2 moniker, prefering to act like OLE1 never existed).
> >
> >MS has a reference to OLE version 1.0 on their web page. MS calls it
> >"OLE, Version 1.0"
> >
> >1.0 is a version number. 2.0 is a version number.
> >
> >There never was an API called OLE2 - ever.
> >
> >You lied about OLE and when busted you got nervous and tried a second
> >lie - change the meaning of OLE such that is does not refer to OLE
> >Version 1.0. MS's own web pages still uses "OLE, Version 1.0".
>
> It was refered to in MS's development docs as OLE 2 to distinguish it
> from OLE which was then relabeled OLE 1. Erik's information about
> Kraig Brockschmidt is incorrect though - there's only two editions.
> The first edition was titled "Inside OLE 2" and the second edition was
> "Inside OLE".
Yes - OLE 2 With a space which indicates Version 2 of OLE. The Acronym
OLE refers to an API that includes V1.0 and V2.0. References to the
origin of OLE refer to Version 1.0, not Version 2.0.
I exemplified a conversation about hidden APIs using the origin of the
API called OLE (It came from the power point group and was not equally
accessable by MS competitors). Eric argued an opposing point and when
pressed he claimed my using the acronym OLE to refer to v 1.0 was
incorrect, confusing and therefore his lies were honest and justified.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JEDIDIAH)
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 20:42:21 GMT
On Sat, 20 May 2000 20:12:48 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
>
>> > > : 3. A DirectX-like platform for hardware-accelerated devices, not
>> > > : necessarily at the kernel level;
>
>> > > Whats wrong with OpenGL?
>
>> > The fact that it's not hardware-accelerated?
>
>> Of course it is hardware accelerated.
>
>No. It isn't.
>
>It may have the potential to be accelerated at some point in the
>future, but, as of this writing, it is not. NVIDIA has flatly stated
>that they will not be doing hardware-accelerated OpenGL until XF86
>4.0. As XF86 4.0 is not the official XF86 at this point, there is
Says who? There's already at least one distro that's shipping it.
>not, officially, any hardware-accelerated OpenGL at this point.
>
>> The entire idea of OpenGL is wrapping hardware
>> acceleration. Everything in the OpenGL API is centred around making
>> effective hardware accelerated implementations possible.
>
>Actually, I think the entire idea of OpenGL is making available a
>high-level 3D API to the user.
NO, the point of OpenGL is to also expose hardware acceleration
to the programmer.
>
>It seems to me that if they were more interested in wrapping hardware
>acceleration, OpenGL would look more like Direct3D (which is
>considerably more minimalist).
No, OpenGL merely represents different programming objectives
and different reference hardware. GL grew up as a visualization
API rather than a way to code Quake clones.
[deletia]
>> > A killer app is something that most computer users will find
>> > useful.
>
>> Of course Apache is a killer app.
>
>Of course it is not.
Netcraft and the hype in general about the Web would tend
to flatly contradict you.
--
In what language does 'open' mean 'execute the evil contents of' |||
a document? --Les Mikesell / | \
Need sane PPP docs? Try penguin.lvcm.com.
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From: Mig Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: --- USENET newsreader filter report #00001 ---
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:47:23 +0200
http://www.lege.com/ntvslinux.html
http://xent.ics.uci.edu/FoRK-archive/july97/0420.html
What happened to you Pompous?
Got rapped by a bunch of penguins while visiting the Zoo?
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Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 13:48:27 -0400
From: Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why only Microsoft should be allowed to create software
Woofbert wrote:
>
> In article <39261e73$9$obot$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bob Germer
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On 05/19/2000 at 05:49 PM,
> > "Erik Fuckingliar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >
> > > MS no longer uses a version number for OLE. Inside OLE by Kraig
> > > Brockschmidt (MS Press) explains that OLE simply means OLE 2.0 since
> > > 1994.
> >
> > Just because MS says OLE means something different than the rest of the
> > world doesn't make it fact. OLE is OLE no matter what you or Gates say.
>
> Since OLE is a Microsoft technology copied from an Apple technology,
> it's hardly surprising that Microsoft insists on the right to call it
> what it wants to cal it.
I spoke with a good friend who work with MS OLE and Apple's Publish and
Subscribe. I asked him about MS copying Apple and his comment was they
didn't. The approaches and goals were different enough in his mind that
the two only shared a common, high level competitive goal but he did not
think MS copied. FWIW.
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